Former Chicago top cop: Black Lives Matter killing blacks

Former Chicago Superintendent of Police Garry McCarthy said Sunday that the Black Lives Matter movement was ultimately responsible for rising crimes rates in his city and nationally because it was making it harder for police to do their jobs.

McCarthy said that the movement was responsible for a rise in "noncompliance" — people refusing to cooperate or surrender to police.

"What is happening is — and this is ironic — that a movement with the goal of saving black lives is at this point is getting black lives taken because 80 percent of our murder victims here in Chicago are male blacks," McCarthy told New York radio talk show host John Catsimatidis.
Former Chicago top cop: Black Lives Matter killing blacks | Washington Examiner


Absolutely correct. And why hasn't 60 minutes and others, taken Rahm Emanuel to task, for the horrible situation in Chicago? And why have they allowed the ACLU to steamroller and interfere with law enforcement?

Thoughts?

Millions of African Americans protesting the shootings of unarmed African Americans by police officers "prevents police officers from doing their jobs", so really it's their fault. :roll: If you feel shooting unarmed blacks is critical to your ability to do your job, you probably shouldn't be a cop. Demanding equal treatment is not an extreme position.

But hey, we're dealing with Mickey here, so all blacks shot by cops deserve it, right?

RabidAlpaca said:

Millions of African Americans protesting the shootings of unarmed African Americans by police officers "prevents police officers from doing their jobs", so really it's their fault. :roll: If you feel shooting unarmed blacks is critical to your ability to do your job, you probably shouldn't be a cop. Demanding equal treatment is not an extreme position.

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If police officers were perfect beings, incapable of human error, black crime rates would not change one iota.

RabidAlpaca said:

Millions of African Americans protesting the shootings of unarmed African Americans by police officers "prevents police officers from doing their jobs", so really it's their fault. :roll: If you feel shooting unarmed blacks is critical to your ability to do your job, you probably shouldn't be a cop. Demanding equal treatment is not an extreme position.

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Except, they would not require any different treatment if they would only comply with police directives, quit running their mouthes and stop doing crime.

truthatallcost said:

If police officers were perfect beings, incapable of human error, black crime rates would not change one iota.

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Black Lives Matter isn't protesting black crime, they're protesting the unarmed shootings of blacks by police officers. Naturally you don't see that as a problem so it's hard for you to comprehend why that would upset them. When you see these videos coming out every month, like the mentally handicapped, unarmed black guy sitting on the ground getting shot by a cop, or Eric Garner, unarmed, being choked to death by multiple cops on the sidewalk in broad daylight, do you tell yourself how much he deserved it? They're just blacks, so who cares, right?

MickeyW said:

Except, they would not require any different treatment if they would only comply with police directives, quit running their mouthes and stop doing crime.

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Exactly, every black person killed deserves it in your eyes. To you every last one of them is a criminal.

truthatallcost said:

If police officers were perfect beings, incapable of human error, black crime rates would not change one iota.

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That's a fact.

RabidAlpaca said:

Black Lives Matter isn't protesting black crime, they're protesting the unarmed shootings of blacks by police officers. Naturally you don't see that as a problem so it's hard for you to comprehend why that would upset them. When you see these videos coming out every month, like the mentally handicapped, unarmed black guy sitting on the ground getting shot by a cop, or Eric Garner, unarmed, being choked to death by multiple cops on the sidewalk in broad daylight, do you tell yourself how much he deserved it? They're just blacks, so who cares, right?

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From the article..."80 percent of our murder victims here in Chicago are male blacks"

Are some innocent......and mistakes are made and some cops too quick on the trigger? Sure. Does your example even amount to a significant overall percentage? Hell no!
Blacks are mostly killing themselves, it's not the police doing it.
Eric Garner was a criminal...a long time criminal. They gave him commands and he refused to comply. They used a submission hold to effect an arrest. So it's the cops' fault he wouldn't comply?

If Blacks obeyed the laws, and did what was commanded of them, they would fair better with the police.
That doesn't change the 80% fact, above.

RabidAlpaca said:

Exactly, every black person killed deserves it in your eyes. To you every last one of them is a criminal.

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That is an absolute Falsehood!

Some people deserve killing, doesn't matter what color their skin is. If you haven't known any of those, than you have little to talk about. I've known many.
If a person is doing a crime, again, no matter the color of their skin...then they are criminals.
It's law enforcement and common sense, 101. Why do you always argue with the obvious?

MickeyW said:

From the article..."80 percent of our murder victims here in Chicago are male blacks"

Are some innocent......and mistakes are made and some cops too quick on the trigger? Sure. Does your example even amount to a significant overall percentage? Hell no!
Blacks are mostly killing themselves, it's not the police doing it.
Eric Garner was a criminal...a long time criminal. They gave him commands and he refused to comply. They used a submission hold to effect an arrest. So it's the cops' fault he wouldn't comply?

If Blacks obeyed the laws, and did what was commanded of them, they would fair better with the police.
That doesn't change the 80% fact, above.

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If the Chicago police actually listened to the concerns of the people they're supposed to protect perhaps there wouldn't such distrust and animosity towards police officers. It doesn't really matter to you though because black is synonymous with criminal, no questions asked.

As I see it, all the decent cops in Chicago should be actively looking for employment elsewhere.
And the mayor should be recalled and booted. Absolute fools elect people like him.

RabidAlpaca said:

Black Lives Matter isn't protesting black crime,

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Yes, I'm well aware that they aren't concerned with the 15,000 homicides that will plague the nation this year.

they're protesting the unarmed shootings of blacks by police officers.

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I'm also aware that BLM will politicize the small handful of police shootings that involved black victims, and were not ruled as justified. They also will not protest for anyone shot by police who isn't black.

Naturally you don't see that as a problem so it's hard for you to comprehend why that would upset them. When you see these videos coming out every month, like the mentally handicapped, unarmed black guy sitting on the ground getting shot by a cop, or Eric Garner, unarmed, being choked to death by multiple cops on the sidewalk in broad daylight, do you tell yourself how much he deserved it?

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Garner didn't deserve it. He's one of the rare homicide victims unfairly killed by police. I'm not aware of the other case you cited.

By the way, can you name anybody who wasn't black who was shot and killed by police this year? Any year?
"In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race)".
U.S. News & World News - Chicago Tribune

They're just blacks, so who cares, right?

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So were the 762 homicide victims in Chicago this year. If you care about black lives, you should care about whats ending black lives prematurely most often , not about an absurdly rare situation like unjustified police shootings.

RabidAlpaca said:

If the Chicago police actually listened to the concerns of the people they're supposed to protect perhaps there wouldn't such distrust and animosity towards police officers. It doesn't really matter to you though because black is synonymous with criminal, no questions asked.

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Wrong again. The color of one's skin doesn't automatically equate to criminal. Stop lying about what or who you think I am.
I've always given people the benefit of the doubt, depending on the circumstances. It's not all Black and White.

truthatallcost said:

Yes, I'm well aware that they aren't concerned with the 15,000 homicides that will plague the nation this year.



I'm also aware that BLM will politicize the small handful of police shootings that involved black victims, and were not ruled as justified. They also will not protest for anyone shot by police who isn't black.




Garner didn't deserve it. He's one of the rare homicide victims unfairly killed by police. I'm not aware of the other case you cited.

By the way, can you name anybody who wasn't black who was shot and killed by police this year? Any year?
"In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race)".
U.S. News & World News - Chicago Tribune



So were the 762 homicide victims in Chicago this year. If you care about black lives, you should care about whats ending black lives prematurely most often , not about an absurdly rare situation like unjustified police shootings.

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Correct. BLM is all about racism and hate of Whitey, nothing more. They are mostly concerned with their agenda, not the safety of their cities.

Is this part from the article in the OP true?

"Less than half of one percent of all of the shootings in this city [involve] police officers shooting civilians," he said.

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It's the Washington Examiner so don't know.

Here's is an article where McCarthy is blaming the politicians.

Ex-Chicago top cop blames city’s spike in violence on politicians

Out of that article I'd like to point out two paragraphs:

Garry McCarthy, Chicago’s former police superintendent, noted Tuesday in an interview with the Daily News that the number of police stops is down by nearly 90% this year compared to last.
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As an example, he cited the number of police stops, which have decreased from more than 157,000 in 2015 to roughly 21,000 in 2016, according to the latest data available.

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Frankly I find that highly disturbing. Particularly in light of the fact that there have been almost half again as many homicides/shootings in Chicago this year than last year.

Personally I don't think that it is completely the BLM's fault as suggested in your article. I think its a combination of both the BLM AND politicians.

RabidAlpaca said:

If the Chicago police actually listened to the concerns of the people they're supposed to protect perhaps there wouldn't such distrust and animosity towards police officers. It doesn't really matter to you though because black is synonymous with criminal, no questions asked.

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There's been a 90% drop in police stops in Chicago this year over last year. Why is that?

Kal'Stang said:

Is this part from the article in the OP true?



It's the Washington Examiner so don't know.

Here's is an article where McCarthy is blaming the politicians.

Ex-Chicago top cop blames city’s spike in violence on politicians

Out of that article I'd like to point out two paragraphs:



Frankly I find that highly disturbing. Particularly in light of the fact that there have been almost half again as many homicides/shootings in Chicago this year than last year.

Personally I don't think that it is completely the BLM's fault as suggested in your article. I think its a combination of both the BLM AND politicians.

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I agree. It's not only BLM, it's Democrat run, City of Chicago and State Government.
It's the ACLU, it's Rahm Emanuel not held with his feet to the fire because he has been anointed by obama and can do no wrong.
Cops are purposely not making stops for fear of law suits and losing their jobs because they are getting no backing from the politicians.
Goes back to what I said in the beginning...if I were a Chicago cop, I'd be seriously seeking employment elsewhere in the state or out of state. Sometimes a cold turkey approach to that, is what is needed, but no one wants to lose their pension.
In some states, a cop can quit and receive all the pension he/she paid in, but not the matching amount by their employer. In other states, unless you go the full 20 years, you lose it all. Big decision. Even bigger if a person's spouse has a lucrative job, also with a pension. Many cops are married to other cops, or to people who work for city, county, or state government.

The stress of all that has to be huge and it causes alcoholism, scrip drug abuse and a variety of physical and mental ailments. Just think how tough it is going to a job everyday that no longer brings one satisfaction and if you make a small mistake, or a big one, you will be crucified by the department and the media and may not only lose your job and pension, but lose your freedom.

The Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson was exactly that. The cop was right in what he did, but lost his job anyway and was a prisoner of sorts, because he couldn't go home and had to hide out.
He was vindicated, but his job was gone and he had to fear for his life.

MickeyW said:

I agree. It's not only BLM, it's Democrat run, City of Chicago and State Government.
It's the ACLU, it's Rahm Emanuel not held with his feet to the fire because he has been anointed by obama and can do no wrong.
Cops are purposely not making stops for fear of law suits and losing their jobs because they are getting no backing from the politicians.
Goes back to what I said in the beginning...if I were a Chicago cop, I'd be seriously seeking employment elsewhere in the state or out of state. Sometimes a cold turkey approach to that, is what is needed, but no one wants to lose their pension.
In some states, a cop can quit and receive all the pension he/she paid in, but not the matching amount by their employer. In other states, unless you go the full 20 years, you lose it all. Big decision. Even bigger if a person's spouse has a lucrative job, also with a pension. Many cops are married to other cops, or to people who work for city, county, or state government.

The stress of all that has to be huge and it causes alcoholism, scrip drug abuse and a variety of physical and mental ailments. Just think how tough it is going to a job everyday that no longer brings one satisfaction and if you make a small mistake, or a big one, you will be crucified by the department and the media and may not only lose your job and pension, but lose your freedom.

The Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson was exactly that. The cop was right in what he did, but lost his job anyway and was a prisoner of sorts, because he couldn't go home and had to hide out.
He was vindicated, but his job was gone and he had to fear for his life.

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Oh dear god, now it's the lefts fault that right leaning police officers kill black civilians on such a regular basis that millions of people protest in response.

The right must not have any liquid left in its ears, because it keeps turning reality upside down without realizing it.

Absentglare said:

Oh dear god, now it's the lefts fault that right leaning police officers kill black civilians on such a regular basis that millions of people protest in response.

The right must not have any liquid left in its ears, because it keeps turning reality upside down without realizing it.

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First of all, it is absolutely the fault of the Left! They should take the majority of hits over this crap!

Secondly, not all police officers are Right leaning.

Third, Black officers are also killing Black and White civilians.

Fourth, it is NOT on a regular basis and the few that are happening out of thousands of arrests per day in the US, is being blown out of proportion by the obama WH and the entire news media!

The BLM is a racist terror group, bent on disruption of Law and Order in this country. They are not about law and order at all.

People need to put their adult thinking cap on and admit that the Mayor of Chicago is as big an impediment to Law and Order as is the ACLU.

Trump is right, as am I.....

Trump blasts Rahm Emanuel after Chicago records 762 homicides making it the bloodiest 12 months in 20 YEARS | Daily Mail Online

MickeyW said:

I agree. It's not only BLM, it's Democrat run, City of Chicago and State Government.
It's the ACLU, it's Rahm Emanuel not held with his feet to the fire because he has been anointed by obama and can do no wrong.
Cops are purposely not making stops for fear of law suits and losing their jobs because they are getting no backing from the politicians.
Goes back to what I said in the beginning...if I were a Chicago cop, I'd be seriously seeking employment elsewhere in the state or out of state. Sometimes a cold turkey approach to that, is what is needed, but no one wants to lose their pension.
In some states, a cop can quit and receive all the pension he/she paid in, but not the matching amount by their employer. In other states, unless you go the full 20 years, you lose it all. Big decision. Even bigger if a person's spouse has a lucrative job, also with a pension. Many cops are married to other cops, or to people who work for city, county, or state government.

The stress of all that has to be huge and it causes alcoholism, scrip drug abuse and a variety of physical and mental ailments. Just think how tough it is going to a job everyday that no longer brings one satisfaction and if you make a small mistake, or a big one, you will be crucified by the department and the media and may not only lose your job and pension, but lose your freedom.

The Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson was exactly that. The cop was right in what he did, but lost his job anyway and was a prisoner of sorts, because he couldn't go home and had to hide out.
He was vindicated, but his job was gone and he had to fear for his life.

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Absentglare said:

Oh dear god, now it's the lefts fault that right leaning police officers kill black civilians on such a regular basis that millions of people protest in response.

The right must not have any liquid left in its ears, because it keeps turning reality upside down without realizing it.

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I don't give a **** if its the left or the rights fault. The whole "left" vs "right" mantra is nothing more than political BS designed to divide. And you're both hooked into that division hook line and sinker. In this particular case it is those in the BLM and politicians that are at fault. Period. The politicians have turned their backs on the police and instituted programs that have dropped the police stop rate. Those in the BLM have advocated resistance against police which has also led to a drop in the police stop rate. By advocating resistance they've also encouraged people to not help police solve crimes. By advocating resistance against police and thereby reducing police stop rate by 90% they have emboldened criminals to commit more crime. I mean come on, a 90% drop in police stops? That's friggen insane no matter what side of the political spectrum that you are on. That drop rate has not occurred in a vacuum folks.

Do I support the essence of what the BLM is about? Yes. Racial profiling leading to shootings of unarmed people without just cause is abhorrent. No matter your skin color. And yes, it happens to more than just blacks. What I don't support about the BLM is them advocating resistance against police that has led to all of the above. Resisting police does nothing what so ever but make the neighborhood more dangerous. Police cannot change laws. They can't even change policy without getting an "Ok" from politicians. THOSE are the people that the BLM should be targeting in their protests. Not police. It is politicians that the BLM should be hollering at to get policy changed. Not police.

And seriously Absentglare, "on a regular basis"? Less than 1% of all police interactions result in police shooting someone. That's hardly what one would consider "regular basis".

You yourself gave us the answer. Politicians.

In this case, years of Democrat Rule in Chicago, an ineffective mayor that should be sent packing and a Demo President backing Emanuel's inaction. All Left, all the time, is right there in front of us. It is the Left's fault entirely, because there has been no Right in Chicago.... for decades!
The Left makes up the equation....there is no Right.