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Laws the New Trump administration needs to work on

TurtleDude said:
what are you talking about-I also mentioned some blatantly unconstitutional federal laws that need to be changed. Like the idiotic Hughes amendment. Another law that should be changed (and is pending I believe) is to remove suppressors from the 1934 NFA.
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I can buy suppressors in my state. no change needed
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
I can buy suppressors in my state. no change needed
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why should someone have to wait months when the instant background check is sufficient? or have to pay the ATF 200 dollars
 
TurtleDude said:
why should someone have to wait months when the instant background check is sufficient? or have to pay the ATF 200 dollars
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not the most important issue facing the country, nor one Trump will ever care about
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
not the most important issue facing the country, nor one Trump will ever care about
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there is already a bill pending called the hearing protection act

do you have any valid opposition to the law that would remove suppressors from the 1934 NFA?
 
TurtleDude said:
there is already a bill pending called the hearing protection act

do you have any valid opposition to the law that would remove suppressors from the 1934 NFA?
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no one but an extremely isolated gun nut cares about this stuff.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
no one but an extremely isolated gun nut cares about this stuff.
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I ask again-what is your position on the change of the law

are you going to oppose it because you think progressives should do anything possible to harass pro gun conservatives or are you

as a gun owner-going to admit that the law is stupid and the reason why the suppressors were added to the 1934 NFA was based on some idiotic speculation by GAME WARDENS that poor people would use them to poach depression era deer-not that they were being used in crimes of violence
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
did you ever study the prohibition era? once booze was legal again, the crime went away.
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Crime didn't go away. People still got robbed and murdered. The syndicates didn't even go away. They just moved on to different stuff.
 
Lutherf said:
Crime didn't go away. People still got robbed and murdered. The syndicates didn't even go away. They just moved on to different stuff.
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crime went way down when the profit went out of booze. no two ways about it.
 
TurtleDude said:
I ask again-what is your position on the change of the law

are you going to oppose it because you think progressives should do anything possible to harass pro gun conservatives or are you

as a gun owner-going to admit that the law is stupid and the reason why the suppressors were added to the 1934 NFA was based on some idiotic speculation by GAME WARDENS that poor people would use them to poach depression era deer-not that they were being used in crimes of violence
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I'm NOT going to go down that rabbit hole spending every waking moment worrying about a dumb gun.
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
I'm going to go down that rabbit hole spending every waking moment worrying about a dumb gun.
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why are you here on this thread when you seem so afraid to be able to take an ACTUAL position on a gun issue. What I am seeing is someone who knows that the current law is stupid but due to partisan hackery, won't say that because that is the position of right wingers and God help a "Progressive" who is going to side with the RW on ANY issue
 
Would like to see the no fly list come under some actual agency, with accountability and guidelines.

Would like to see the tax code as it is abolished and a flat or consumption tax implemented.

Would like to see a nation wide law against texting and driving.

Already agree with many of the other suggestions on gun ownership, the war on drugs and States rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
why are you here on this thread when you seem so afraid to be able to take an ACTUAL position on a gun issue. What I am seeing is someone who knows that the current law is stupid but due to partisan hackery, won't say that because that is the position of right wingers and God help a "Progressive" who is going to side with the RW on ANY issue
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Maybe my hobby isn't as important as what's important for the country or for mankind
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
Maybe my hobby isn't as important as what's important for the country or for mankind
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again a non answer. the issue is not that a stroke of the pen is going to prevent Trump from doing stuff you find more valuable. Getting rid of stupid laws is perhaps the most important thing a government of free citizens can do
 
TurtleDude said:
again a non answer. the issue is not that a stroke of the pen is going to prevent Trump from doing stuff you find more valuable. Getting rid of stupid laws is perhaps the most important thing a government of free citizens can do
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Trump doesn't care about your Garand fetish.
 
Casper said:
Would like to see the no fly list come under some actual agency, with accountability and guidelines.

Would like to see the tax code as it is abolished and a flat or consumption tax implemented.

Would like to see a nation wide law against texting and driving.

Already agree with many of the other suggestions on gun ownership, the war on drugs and States rights.
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Would like to see the no fly list come under some actual agency, with accountability and guidelines.-strongly agree-right now, with burdens less than probable cause, the current List is an affront to a free society that believe in "innocent until PROVEN guilty"


Would like to see the tax code as it is abolished and a flat or consumption tax implemented.-100% agreement

Would like to see a nation wide law against texting and driving.-I don't believe the federal government properly has the power to do that. I also strongly oppose the federal government bullying states into making 21 the legal drinking age or setting DUI intoxication levels.

Already agree with many of the other suggestions on gun ownership, the war on drugs and States rights
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
because i don't spend every waking hour cowering and clutching a gun.
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no one else does either. but given you have spent a lot of time on this thread without being able to answer a simple question is pretty sad
 
TurtleDude said:
no one else does either. but given you have spent a lot of time on this thread without being able to answer a simple question is pretty sad
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I'm sure it is frustrating not to have everyone march in lockstep with your one track mind on guns
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Really? No more mean drunks beating up folks and drinking away their kids lunch money? The amount of crime to support a hard drug habit is not minor.
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That's because illegal (prohibited) drugs are magnitudes more expensive than their fair manufacturing value.

It's the prohibition that makes most prohibited drugs expensive.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Incorrect. There are millions of us that care about this stuff.
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I suspect there are far more people who care about this issue than there are those of voting age who want to ban meat eating :mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
again a non answer. the issue is not that a stroke of the pen is going to prevent Trump from doing stuff you find more valuable. Getting rid of stupid laws is perhaps the most important thing a government of free citizens can do
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In his book The Conscience of a Conservative (1960) Barry Goldwater made the following statement that should be part of every US Representative's and US Senator's oath of office:

I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.
 
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