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'i fed her to the pigs'

MickeyW said:
Murder accused told cops he ‘felt normal’ after ‘chopping up’ mum-of-three, PC claims

MURDER accused Steven Jackson told cops he“felt normal” after cutting up mum-of-three Kimberley MacKenzie’s body and feeding her to pigs, it was claimed in court today.

PC Michael Woodburn, 29, told the High Court in Glasgow how Jackson had confessed to dismembering Kimberley MacKenzie’s body.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23177...mal-after-chopping-up-mum-of-three-pc-claims/


I sure hope the Brits realize that murder happens more often when people can't defend themselves. Mum could have shot the perps balls off and fed them to the pigs!

But alas....gunless in the UK...what a travesty of justice.
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Fed to the pigs? How copycat!
 
Crovax said:
Sure you do, the UK is 87% white compared to 63.7% in the US
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UK murder rate 0.9/100,000

USA 3.9/100,000

Slightly more black people does not explain it.

Loads more guns does though.
 
Tim the plumber said:

UK murder rate 0.9/100,000

USA 3.9/100,000

Slightly more black people does not explain it.

Loads more guns does though.
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Slightly more? the US has 4 about times the black population of the UK and weird looks like about 4 times the murder rate... probably just a coincidence
 
Tim the plumber said:

UK murder rate 0.9/100,000

USA 3.9/100,000

Slightly more black people does not explain it.

Loads more guns does though.
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Not 'slightly more' blacks in the US - it is 4 times.

UK black percent is 3, US black percent is 12.

Need help with the math?
 
Crovax said:
You do realize that the UK has a very low minority rate

Right?
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Is the minority rate directly linked to the murder rate ?
What sort of minority Muslims ? Blacks ? Whites ? Hispanics ? Germans ? Dwarves ?
Any minority ?

More info please
 
MickeyW said:
Sure....but for the life of me, I can't figure out why. There are predators everywhere.Possibly, more are fed to the pigs than realized and the evidence gone and perps never found out.
There are endless ways to dispose of bodies.....w/o a trace.
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Let me help you figure that out. It's really not hard if you get past NRA sloganeering. Here are some consistent propositions, which the evidence demonstrates true:

1. It is true that an individual who is able to detect an intruder, arm themselves, and aim at the intruder successfully might be able to save themselves if they are lucky.

2. It is true that the more guns per capita a developed country has, the more gun violence, gun homicides, and gun murders occur in that country.

3. This is in large part due to the fact that scenario #1 represents a distinct minority of victim-criminal encounters. In fact, gun owners are more likely to be shot themselves when they encounter an intruder as compared to unarmed victims encountering intruders. This is for the simple reason that the vast majority of bullets fired at intruders miss - even trained police officers miss most of their shots in encounters (unsurprisingly, they find it difficult to keep an absolutely steady hand and perfectly cool head when someone is trying to kill them) - on top of the fact that the intruder typically has the jump on the victim.

4. There are any number of other statistical truths about gun ownership. It creates the risk of accidental death. It increases the ease and therefore rate of suicide.





So yeah, maybe if this "mum" was lucky, she'd be able to have shot her attacker. But the simple factual evidence available demonstrates that on the whole, armed mums are more likely to be killed than the unarmed ones, in such situations.

Now, if more mums were trained Navy Seals, then you would be right. They are exceptional human beings capable of acting with focused precision no matter the circumstances. But since the rest of us are not so exceptional, being armed increases our risk of injury/death rather than decreases it. That's the simple truth.

Gun lovers will never admit it.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Mickey has admitted here innumerable times that he hates the rule of law AND the US Constitution.
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I've admitted exactly the opposite....so anyone who says that about me, is a liar.
 
MickeyW said:
I've admitted exactly the opposite....so anyone who says that about me, is a liar.
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Newp. That's exactly what you've admitted, wishing beatings on suspects, etc....

You simply hate the rule of the law and the USC, as your history bears out.
 
Medusa said:
In current times, mostly by Muslims. ;)

Poverty is no excuse for bad behavior.
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No minority is responsible for your gun craziness :shock:[/QUOTE]

Wrong Mr. Medusa.....I don't have any gun craziness. I'm perfectly sane, logical and law abiding....with guns....or without.
Minorities have no bearing on what I do....only what they do

Bodhisattva said:
Being a vegan sounds more appealing now...
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Never has to me. I really like pork, fowl of all types, deer, elk and good beef. I hunt most of it myself. Nothing more enjoyable and satisfying than growing or hunting your own food. ;) If you haven't tried it, you don't know what your missing.

Manc Skipper said:
Gun Culture. A quarter of the US population owns half the guns on the planet. What are they so afraid of, nutters with lots of guns?
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Got a link to that?

Militant_Vegan_ said:
Have you spent a lot of tine in great britain?
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I've never spent a lot of tine....anywhere.
 
the UK has the equivalence of 1 CCTV camera for every 4 people. (Net Flix show: Caught on camera)

They also have the ability to scan car license plates ( as they drive by) and know within seconds who owns the car, if it is insured, and if the owner has a record. And they will stop if anything is in question. ( I actually think this is a good program myself)


The also has a SEVERE gang problem.. murders may be rare but crime(assaults) is still very prevalent


djl
 
MickeyW said:
Never has to me. I really like pork, fowl of all types, deer, elk and good beef. I hunt most of it myself. Nothing more enjoyable and satisfying than growing or hunting your own food. ;) If you haven't tried it, you don't know what your missing..
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Even pork that has eaten humans?
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
Sure. So you were illegally carrying concealed the whole time, right? So you wouldn't be slaughtered by the colored murderers of Great Britain.
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You got em like most other places. Admit it. ;)

Militant_Vegan_ said:
Would you say most gun owning Trump voters are xenophobic?
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Not in the least. Many are God fearing, kind hearted, salt of the earth, peaceful folks, who also don't take any crap off rif-raf and are fed up with establishment politicians.
 
blarg said:
sounds good

but could we let people have guns but test for decency a bit like dont give them to people with a violent criminal history

maybe test for sanity as well make sure they dont have mental health problems

repeat these tests every so often in order to keep your guns

have a waiting period for all purchases so you cant just buy one when your pissed off or depressed

stuff to make sure people know what ther doing and are not obviously a danger of turning on other people
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Can't test for mental illness....privacy laws take precedence. In order for a person to be restricted from having a gun, he/she have to have prior felonious activity/convictions.... or be adjudicated mentally ill.
If they have a violent criminal history, they can't have them. That doesn't mean that they can't buy them off the streets or steal them.
Most mass shooters, either bought their guns legally, or stole them.
-Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook stole the one he used from his mother and murdered her with it.
-The guy who killed 30 at Virginia Tech in '07, bought his two guns legally.
-Kip Kinkle in Springfield, Or., used the .22 rifle that his parents bought him legally, to murder them and kill classmates at school.
Millions of gun owners, kids included, are responsible with their firearms and hunt and target practice without any problems....ever.
My own 5 children, are a testimonial to those truths.

CaptainCourtesy said:
You are certainly exploiting someone's death for your own political agenda. This is the THIRD time, recently, I've seen you do it. For you, politics are more important than human life.
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Sorry man...but you are incorrect. In Total!
 
Mr Person said:
Let me help you figure that out. It's really not hard if you get past NRA sloganeering. Here are some consistent propositions, which the evidence demonstrates true:

1. It is true that an individual who is able to detect an intruder, arm themselves, and aim at the intruder successfully might be able to save themselves if they are lucky.

2. It is true that the more guns per capita a developed country has, the more gun violence, gun homicides, and gun murders occur in that country.

3. This is in large part due to the fact that scenario #1 represents a distinct minority of victim-criminal encounters. In fact, gun owners are more likely to be shot themselves when they encounter an intruder as compared to unarmed victims encountering intruders. This is for the simple reason that the vast majority of bullets fired at intruders miss - even trained police officers miss most of their shots in encounters (unsurprisingly, they find it difficult to keep an absolutely steady hand and perfectly cool head when someone is trying to kill them) - on top of the fact that the intruder typically has the jump on the victim.

4. There are any number of other statistical truths about gun ownership. It creates the risk of accidental death. It increases the ease and therefore rate of suicide.





So yeah, maybe if this "mum" was lucky, she'd be able to have shot her attacker. But the simple factual evidence available demonstrates that on the whole, armed mums are more likely to be killed than the unarmed ones, in such situations.

Now, if more mums were trained Navy Seals, then you would be right. They are exceptional human beings capable of acting with focused precision no matter the circumstances. But since the rest of us are not so exceptional, being armed increases our risk of injury/death rather than decreases it. That's the simple truth.

Gun lovers will never admit it.
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Cherry picking accidental shootings is easy. The media puts them in headlines.

Finding out how many armed US civilians have successfully defended their homes, property, themselves and others, is hard. Reason: the media tries their best to ignore these stories...or........no one ever finds out about who did what.
Dead perps are found dead, w/o any explanation...or get dead and buried ...and never found.

No........I don't condone that or teach that, in any of my gun courses and I respect the Constitution and Rule of Law, contrary to the opinion of a few here. I teach those laws with every class.

Operating a firearm for self defense, within the law, is a big part of my course.

You don't have to be a trained Navy Seal to defend yourself against a common criminal. Just have some training and the will to survive an assault. Girlie men and fearful women, need not apply...I encourage them to stay unarmed and depend on others for their safety. ;)
Remember, the gun was the first point and click interface.

That said....is the gun the only option for every situation? Hell no, I teach that it is the last option, when all other options have failed....the gun is normally your last resort...it can also be the first.
That's what my training is all about and I encourage folks to use other means first....if possible.

Run, Hide, Fight.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Even pork that has eaten humans?
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Don't know of any of those. You watching Silence of the Lambs again ....?

Tanngrisnir said:
Nope. Your records stands as exactly as I've described it.

Why pretend otherwise?
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I don't have to pretend anything, you misinterpret whatever I say and develop your own narrative.
 
MickeyW said:
Don't know of any of those. You watching Silence of the Lambs again ....?



I don't have to pretend anything, you misinterpret whatever I say and develop your own narrative.
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Yes, do you. You've stated flatly that you'd love to see suspects in drug cases shot on the street w/out a trial, among other things.

You hate the rule of law. It's not a false narrative; it's your entire history here.
 
MickeyW said:
Don't know of any of those. You watching Silence of the Lambs again ....?
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Dude... it is the topic of the entire thread.
 
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