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Requiring Citizenship for Deputies? Big Deal? No Big Deal?

eohrnberger

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Kinda torn on this.

Denver Sheriff Department penalized for wrongful hiring practices
The sheriff’s department will pay a $10,000 fine and will have to sort through old applications to identify people who were eliminated from consideration because they were not U.S. citizens
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On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.



On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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It's the right thing to do.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.



On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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Same as serving in the military, after four years they have earned it.
 
Why should non citizens of the United States have the power to enforce the laws of the United States.
 
I say no..
Definitely no on illegals.
 
ajn678 said:
Why should non citizens of the United States have the power to enforce the laws of the United States.
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I have to admit that my first few thoughts were exactly along those lines as well, but I don't think that I'd deny someone the position if they'd also agree to become a citizen.
 
Orly? said:
I say no..
Definitely no on illegals.
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Agreed. But with the position that Obama's DOJ has taken, something of a precedent appears to have been set such that a LEO position cannot require citizenship. I'd much rather prefer that LEO's are citizens as well.
 
Casper said:
Same as serving in the military, after four years they have earned it.
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Don't think that serving as LEO is the same as serving in the military (hey, maybe it is?), but would still insist on the regular procedures just like everyone else who's wanting to become a citizen.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.

On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.
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There are sufficient numbers of qualified American citizens in our population to meet or exceed the requirements for any job available, much less that of a LEO.

eohrnberger said:
But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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IMO if you are not a citizen of the USA then you should not be allowed to serve in any position to enforce our law.

No compromise when it comes to law enforcement. Become a citizen first, then apply for the job.
 
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Hey, I may have a liberal nick, but count me as conservative on this.

Only U.S. citizens in good (non-criminal) standing.

I have high standards for those I entrust to use deadly force against my fellow Americans.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.



On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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Holy Crap! Non-citizens as police? Are they insane? I mean, yes... what the hell is wrong with the United States? It is getting worse and worse.
 
eohrnberger said:
I have to admit that my first few thoughts were exactly along those lines as well, but I don't think that I'd deny someone the position if they'd also agree to become a citizen.
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I'd say become a citizen and we will hire you and include back pay even, if within an allowable time frame.
 
Orly? said:
I say no..
Definitely no on illegals.
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What the hell do illegal immigrants have to do with those here legally?
 
No. No one who isn't a citizen should have legal authority over a citizen. Period. Full stop.
 
Chomsky said:
Hey, I may have a liberal nick, but count me as conservative on this.

Only U.S. citizens in good (non-criminal) standing.

I have high standards for those I entrust to use deadly force against my fellow Americans.
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Yeah, same here. The overwhelmingly my majority of jobs I am fine with green card holders doing. But our legal system (cops, prosecutors, and judges) should be citizens. I am a little embarrassed to admit I thought that was already the rule.
 
eohrnberger said:
I have to admit that my first few thoughts were exactly along those lines as well, but I don't think that I'd deny someone the position if they'd also agree to become a citizen.
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How about those that want to enforce or adjudicate our laws, first show us they're worthy of the privilege, by joining us in this great experiment?

"If you want to have what we have, and want to join us in our allegiance to the Constitution, do your work to earn your position along side us. We'll happily welcome you."

That's how I see it! :thumbs:
 
BrewerBob said:
Yeah, same here. The overwhelmingly my majority of jobs I am fine with green card holders doing. But our legal system (cops, prosecutors, and judges) should be citizens. I am a little embarrassed to admit I thought that was already the rule.
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Same here!

I had no idea the cop pulling me over might not be a citizen.

But then again I was blown away after Reagan's amnesty, to find-out non-citizens can access American entitlements and social services! I had no idea.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.



On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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Key word: citizen

A person can not be a citizen and still be here legally. I do not see how a person who is here illegally can enforce laws on those who are. But, I'm ok with a non-citizen who is here legally doing so, though I would prefer a reasonable time frame imposed requiring them to gain citizenship... not unlike a job posting that require professional license obtainment within x-period of time.
 
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BrewerBob said:
Yeah, same here. The overwhelmingly my majority of jobs I am fine with green card holders doing. But our legal system (cops, prosecutors, and judges) should be citizens. I am a little embarrassed to admit I thought that was already the rule.
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I thought it was, too.
 
eohrnberger said:
Don't think that serving as LEO is the same as serving in the military (hey, maybe it is?), but would still insist on the regular procedures just like everyone else who's wanting to become a citizen.
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Oh, I agree, but if here legally but not yet a citizen I see no reason to not hire them and believe that if they serve it should be considered in getting them their citizenship without long delays.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda torn on this.



On one hand, I can see where employers should be hiring the very best people that apply for their open positions.

But on the other hand, I can see where requiring citizenship for the role as LEO, and it doesn't strike me as out of line.

Compromise? What if the non-citizen is hired with the binding agreement to become a citizen within a specified time frame?

What do you think?
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My first thought is that I wouldn't want a bunch of Russians as cops in NYC or Miami. That doesn't sound like a good scenario.
 
Casper said:
Oh, I agree, but if here legally but not yet a citizen I see no reason to not hire them and believe that if they serve it should be considered in getting them their citizenship without long delays.
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I would be open to expediting the citizenship process for police, military, etc. I would consider it something of an even exchange.
 
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