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Get your child to steal for you...

Bodi

Bodi

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If you teach your child to steal but nobody can prove it... and you are in a store and your kid steals while you play innocent... can you get it trouble if caught? Will the kid just get a warning due to being so young? Seems like an effective tactic and it appears to be on the rise.

 
The usual suspects.
 
Bodhisattva said:
If you teach your child to steal but nobody can prove it... and you are in a store and your kid steals while you play innocent... can you get it trouble if caught? Will the kid just get a warning due to being so young? Seems like an effective tactic and it appears to be on the rise.

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Worked for Fagin.
Well, 'till they hung him, anyway.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I agree but what happens to the criminal child?
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Send her to a foster home if the dad can't be found. If the dad can be found send the child to him. It's not the child's fault that she was taught wrong. At most a slap on the wrist should suffice.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Send her to a foster home if the dad can't be found. If the dad can be found send the child to him. It's not the child's fault that she was taught wrong. At most a slap on the wrist should suffice.
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Agreed... or grandparents our aunties.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Send the woman to jail if that is what is actually happening.
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I think you meant to say, if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that's what's happening. Or, maybe you didn't.

When I was working we had a woman doing this. She had two kids. When the store would catch the kids Mom would spank them. She was shocked, shocked mind you. When they got out of the store she'd buy them ice cream. Not one time out of thirty did the police get called.
 
Bodhisattva said:
If you teach your child to steal but nobody can prove it... and you are in a store and your kid steals while you play innocent... can you get it trouble if caught? Will the kid just get a warning due to being so young? Seems like an effective tactic and it appears to be on the rise.
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Where I work, we write in our database the ID of the child caught in a theft incident. If the child steals again we fine the parents 150 CHF.
So far haven't had any third incident. If so, we would probably send a letter to the parents saying that if an other incident occurs we will ban them from our stores.

Parents should be held accountable for the actions of their children until a certain age. Here, we can file a complaint against anyone 15 or older.
 
Groogrux said:
And people wonder why our schools are failing.
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No, we know. Something run by unions in partnership with federal government are doomed to failure. I know some people in my age bracket who came from incredibly bad families and didn't fail.
 
Groogrux said:
And people wonder why our schools are failing.
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I tell people this over and over and it is dismissed. Yesterday I kicked 4 kids out of class for using cell phones alone. About 20 minutes of class wasted on defiance, not turning phone to me, attempted arguong, refusal to leave class, etc. Some others act up more because of huge distraction while many just sit there pissed off at how stupid the situation is and how it ruined our quiz.
 
Patrickt said:
No, we know. Something run by unions in partnership with federal government are doomed to failure. I know some people in my age bracket who came from incredibly bad families and didn't fail.
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How are unions or the government affected student defiance?
 
radcen said:
It could be argued that the kid is not in an acceptable environment at home and should be put in foster care.

But, as mentioned in the OP, proving it would be the big hurdle.
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And the assumption is the foster home will be better. Sadly, that's often not the case.
 
radcen said:
...and often it is. Nothing is 100%, and a bad situation shouldn't be enabled simply because an alternative *might* be as bad or worse.
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If it were worse once out of 25 times, I'd agree. Sadly, in many jurisdictions, that isn't the case. I have friends who have been foster parents, adopted some of the foster children and were wonderful. I've dealt with other foster parents as a police officer where the children were sexually abused, physically abused, and were in horrible situations. One of our problems was the foster home program paid well and people warehoused foster kids for the money.
 
Patrickt said:
If it were worse once out of 25 times, I'd agree. Sadly, in many jurisdictions, that isn't the case. I have friends who have been foster parents, adopted some of the foster children and were wonderful. I've dealt with other foster parents as a police officer where the children were sexually abused, physically abused, and were in horrible situations. One of our problems was the foster home program paid well and people warehoused foster kids for the money.
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Do you have something better than anecdote, hearsay, and pre-bias?

No offense intended, I have no doubt that stuff does happen on occasion, but it comes off as just wanting to be argumentative.
 
radcen said:
Do you have something better than anecdote, hearsay, and pre-bias?

No offense intended, I have no doubt that stuff does happen on occasion, but it comes off as just wanting to be argumentative.
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Only thirty years as a cop, seven dealing with juveniles and the welfare system and reading the newspapers. I am not argumentative but I'm also not a liberal who thinks government solves all problems. I could tell you about foster parents I had to deal with, and arrest, but that would just be anecdotal. I could refer you to newspaper articles about the problems but if you haven't read them you have no real interest.

When I was working, I tried hard to avoid placing children in foster homes unless they were facing immediate risks to health and safety. We had one family that was exactly as reported in this case. Welfare was aware of what was going on. The mother was a thief but other than that she cared for the kids. The kids were quite willing to say they stole the size xxxxlarge panties because they wanted them because their mother would want them to say it. Had we gone to court the kids would have been testifying for Mom. I'm sure "put the kids in foster care" sounds great to liberals. It isn't. I would look hard for a relative before I'd go with foster care. Some foster parents were great and were doing a service. Others were making a buck and not doing it honestly.
 
Patrickt said:
Only thirty years as a cop, seven dealing with juveniles and the welfare system and reading the newspapers. I am not argumentative but I'm also not a liberal who thinks government solves all problems. I could tell you about foster parents I had to deal with, and arrest, but that would just be anecdotal. I could refer you to newspaper articles about the problems but if you haven't read them you have no real interest.

When I was working, I tried hard to avoid placing children in foster homes unless they were facing immediate risks to health and safety. We had one family that was exactly as reported in this case. Welfare was aware of what was going on. The mother was a thief but other than that she cared for the kids. The kids were quite willing to say they stole the size xxxxlarge panties because they wanted them because their mother would want them to say it. Had we gone to court the kids would have been testifying for Mom. I'm sure "put the kids in foster care" sounds great to liberals. It isn't. I would look hard for a relative before I'd go with foster care. Some foster parents were great and were doing a service. Others were making a buck and not doing it honestly.
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You could tell me all about your experiences, absolutely, and I wouldn't doubt a single one. But, could you also tell me about all the others that you didn't deal with, and all the others that you didn't have to arrest, and all the others that never made the papers, all the others that you never even heard about, because they went just fine and there was nothing to report? How do those numbers stack up? You probably can't say because you don't know.

One of the pitfalls of being a police officer is that it's easy to become jaded precisely because you deal with the worst of the worst on a daily basis, without enough average decent people and good situations to provide a balance from which to compare. After time, it's easy to come to believe that such a large percentage of people are bad, because to a great degree that's most of what you see, for years on end. Most people, are actually basically honest and decent, and it's that which makes society work as well as it does. If most people were really as bad as the limited examples police see on a daily basis, our world would be truly effed.

Having said that, I wholly agree that foster care should be an avenue of last resort.
 
Patrickt said:
Only thirty years as a cop, seven dealing with juveniles and the welfare system and reading the newspapers. I am not argumentative but I'm also not a liberal who thinks government solves all problems. I could tell you about foster parents I had to deal with, and arrest, but that would just be anecdotal. I could refer you to newspaper articles about the problems but if you haven't read them you have no real interest.

When I was working, I tried hard to avoid placing children in foster homes unless they were facing immediate risks to health and safety. We had one family that was exactly as reported in this case. Welfare was aware of what was going on. The mother was a thief but other than that she cared for the kids. The kids were quite willing to say they stole the size xxxxlarge panties because they wanted them because their mother would want them to say it. Had we gone to court the kids would have been testifying for Mom. I'm sure "put the kids in foster care" sounds great to liberals. It isn't. I would look hard for a relative before I'd go with foster care. Some foster parents were great and were doing a service. Others were making a buck and not doing it honestly.
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I think after bad parents lose custody of their kids, they should be transferred to other relatives. Only do foster care if none of their relatives meet the criteria.
 
radcen said:
You could tell me all about your experiences, absolutely, and I wouldn't doubt a single one. But, could you also tell me about all the others that you didn't deal with, and all the others that you didn't have to arrest, and all the others that never made the papers, all the others that you never even heard about, because they went just fine and there was nothing to report? How do those numbers stack up? You probably can't say because you don't know.

One of the pitfalls of being a police officer is that it's easy to become jaded precisely because you deal with the worst of the worst on a daily basis, without enough average decent people and good situations to provide a balance from which to compare. After time, it's easy to come to believe that such a large percentage of people are bad, because to a great degree that's most of what you see, for years on end. Most people, are actually basically honest and decent, and it's that which makes society work as well as it does. If most people were really as bad as the limited examples police see on a daily basis, our world would be truly effed.

Having said that, I wholly agree that foster care should be an avenue of last resort.
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Well, he dealt with them and he dealt with them for decades. You only dealt with the keyboard :D WTF Your reasoning is plain stupid.... And yes, the world is truly effed....

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radcen said:
You could tell me all about your experiences, absolutely, and I wouldn't doubt a single one. But, could you also tell me about all the others that you didn't deal with, and all the others that you didn't have to arrest, and all the others that never made the papers, all the others that you never even heard about, because they went just fine and there was nothing to report? How do those numbers stack up? You probably can't say because you don't know.

One of the pitfalls of being a police officer is that it's easy to become jaded precisely because you deal with the worst of the worst on a daily basis, without enough average decent people and good situations to provide a balance from which to compare. After time, it's easy to come to believe that such a large percentage of people are bad, because to a great degree that's most of what you see, for years on end. Most people, are actually basically honest and decent, and it's that which makes society work as well as it does. If most people were really as bad as the limited examples police see on a daily basis, our world would be truly effed.

Having said that, I wholly agree that foster care should be an avenue of last resort.
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there is insufficient data at this point but here is one:

Few studies have investigated the prevalence of maltreatment among youths in public sectors of care despite the critical public health concern and the burden of suffering on such youths. The current study examined the prevalence of multiple types of maltreatment across five public sectors of care. Youths aged 11-18 (n = 1,135) enrolled in one of five public sectors of care reported on their maltreatment history using the Childhood Trauma Questionnaire. Across all sectors, 78% of youth reported experiencing at least moderate levels of maltreatment with the majority (58%) reporting multiple types of maltreatment. The prevalence of maltreatment was highest for youths involved in the alcohol/drug (86%) and child welfare (85%) sectors, and lowest in the serious emotional disturbance sector (72%). Logistic regressions were conducted to examine differences in the likelihood of multiple types of maltreatment by sector affiliation, controlling for the effects of gender, race/ethnicity, and age. The results indicate that rates of maltreatment across sectors do not differ greatly from those in child welfare. The high incidence of maltreatment across all sectors, not solely child welfare, indicates that all youth in public sectors of care should be screened for a history of maltreatment when they enter into care. (Author abstract)
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https://library.childwelfare.gov/cw...rpp=10&upp=0&m=1&w=+NATIVE('recno=79375')&r=1

if he says he has seen it I believe him...anyone working with kids is well aware of the inadequacies of our child care system
 
Training children to steal is a tactic as old as time.
 
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