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Chicago police announce new limits in use of force.

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You may remember the shooting of Laquan MCDonald, a black man shot 16 times by an officer as he appeared to be walking away. The officer arrived on scene, many other officers were present. He jumped from his squad car and opened fire. The man had a knife in his hand but was walking away. First shot put him on the ground. 15 more fired. No first aid offered. He was the only officer to shoot. All cops on the scene lied on their reports although it was known there was dash cam video. The video wasn't released until the press went full tilt thru FOIA. The day the court ruled the video had to be released, the cops arrested the LEO and he is awaiting trial. Others have been dismissed and even prosecuted for their participation in the coverup. That's the back story.

Today, the CPD announced sweeping changes in use of deadly force, even tasers. Their new policy emphasizes the sanctity of life and clearly outlines when and if deadly force can be used. The department's 14,000 officer complement will go thru extensive training on the new policies as well as giving them new and proven ways to de-escalate situations.

You may be interested in the details. Chicago police announce new limits on use of force - Chicago Tribune

Victory is on the horizon. Landmark fires and prosecutions will have a powerful effect and, I believe, things will change for the much better. perhaps this approach will catch on across the country and both cops and perps will be safer on the streets.

Your thoughts?

Also, by 2018, every officer and every squad car will be equipped with a camera.
 
You may remember the shooting of Laquan MCDonald, a black man shot 16 times by an officer as he appeared to be walking away. The officer arrived on scene, many other officers were present. He jumped from his squad car and opened fire. The man had a knife in his hand but was walking away. First shot put him on the ground. 15 more fired. No first aid offered. He was the only officer to shoot. All cops on the scene lied on their reports although it was known there was dash cam video. The video wasn't released until the press went full tilt thru FOIA. The day the court ruled the video had to be released, the cops arrested the LEO and he is awaiting trial. Others have been dismissed and even prosecuted for their participation in the coverup. That's the back story.

Today, the CPD announced sweeping changes in use of deadly force, even tasers. Their new policy emphasizes the sanctity of life and clearly outlines when and if deadly force can be used. The department's 14,000 officer complement will go thru extensive training on the new policies as well as giving them new and proven ways to de-escalate situations.

You may be interested in the details. Chicago police announce new limits on use of force - Chicago Tribune

Victory is on the horizon. Landmark fires and prosecutions will have a powerful effect and, I believe, things will change for the much better. perhaps this approach will catch on across the country and both cops and perps will be safer on the streets.

Your thoughts?

Also, by 2018, every officer and every squad car will be equipped with a camera.

Hi Maggs. Hope you're doing good today.

I read the following article earlier today, and it made me absolutely sick to my stomach: Chicago cop is the face of the Ferguson Effect | Chicago Tribune

The face of the Ferguson Effect now belongs to a longtime Chicago police officer.

She didn't want to use her gun in a physical confrontation with a violent man, Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.

So she's in the hospital, in serious condition, her face repeatedly pounded into the concrete of the West Side in a beating that lasted several minutes as she fought with an assailant suspected by police of being high on PCP.

The 17-year Chicago police officer could have drawn her gun and stopped him. But she didn't.

Why?

She told Johnson that she was worried about being the next big story on national news.

Johnson talked about this after he participated in the Carter Harrison and Lambert Tree Awards honoring Chicago police and firefighters Thursday at City Hall.

"As I was at the hospital last night, visiting with her, she looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die and she knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to, because she didn't want her family or the department to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news," Johnson said.

"This officer could have lost her life. … We have to change the narrative of the law enforcement across this country," Johnson said.

[...]
 
Excellent! Any progress, is good progress .. but guess what? There's new piece out by the McDonald reporter yesterday:

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/06...e-bosses-say-it-didnt-happen-it-didnt-happen/

tl;dr A number of CPD officers were shaking down South Side drug dealers for "protection money" and drugs, and the FBI got wind and recruited two CPD officers into an internal investigation. A couple years into the case it was outed and sabotaged by a CPD official, the remaining higher-ups circled wagons, lied and retaliated against the two CPD officers which led to a $2 million settlement in May.

...

Same old, same old crooked police force.
 
You may remember the shooting of Laquan MCDonald, a black man shot 16 times by an officer as he appeared to be walking away. The officer arrived on scene, many other officers were present. He jumped from his squad car and opened fire. The man had a knife in his hand but was walking away. First shot put him on the ground. 15 more fired. No first aid offered. He was the only officer to shoot. All cops on the scene lied on their reports although it was known there was dash cam video. The video wasn't released until the press went full tilt thru FOIA. The day the court ruled the video had to be released, the cops arrested the LEO and he is awaiting trial. Others have been dismissed and even prosecuted for their participation in the coverup. That's the back story.

Today, the CPD announced sweeping changes in use of deadly force, even tasers. Their new policy emphasizes the sanctity of life and clearly outlines when and if deadly force can be used. The department's 14,000 officer complement will go thru extensive training on the new policies as well as giving them new and proven ways to de-escalate situations.

You may be interested in the details. Chicago police announce new limits on use of force - Chicago Tribune

Victory is on the horizon. Landmark fires and prosecutions will have a powerful effect and, I believe, things will change for the much better. perhaps this approach will catch on across the country and both cops and perps will be safer on the streets.

Your thoughts?

Also, by 2018, every officer and every squad car will be equipped with a camera.

Well, 15 shots on a Black man down is sort of an overkill.
 
Hi Maggs. Hope you're doing good today.

I read the following article earlier today, and it made me absolutely sick to my stomach: Chicago cop is the face of the Ferguson Effect | Chicago Tribune

I read that as well and had the same reaction. You just KNOW these often intentionally misinterpreted shootings are having a dastardly effect on officer safety. This particular one (Laquan) has simply GOT to be a worst case mess. It looked just horrible onvideo. No misinterpretation at all. Cold blooded.

I feel for this woman. I think it's very likely she'll have to leave the force. Her attitude, though perfectly understandable, makes her a danger to herself and her colleagues. Very sad.
 
My experience with police training is that we did it all the time. We played out all kinds of scenarios we made up ourselves and reviewed the hell out of scenarios we ran across in the line of duty. We always welcomed additional training because it was something else that could keep us from getting hurt. Contrary to what appears to be common belief, we were also taught that deadly force was a last resort so 99% of our training involved something other than pulling a trigger on a suspect. We trained procedure. We trained tactics. We trained strategy. We trained communications. What I saw in the training video was fairly common.

Seeing an immediate threat before using deadly force against a fleeing suspect shouldn't be anything new to any department but I have to ask, how would this policy be applied if the officer felt a gun on the suspect who ran instead of saw it? What if he was doing a pat down and felt a gun in the suspect's pocket then the suspect rabbitted? What if that pat down was happening in front of a store that had a history of getting robbed or if it was incident to a complaint about someone threatening a neighbor with a gun?
 
The announcement by the Chicago Police was soon followed by one from Chicago Criminals. The latter have announced sweeping changes in the use of deadly force. "Fairs fair" said a spokesman "from now on we will kill less people". When a reporter pointed out that it should be 'fewer' people not 'less' people the spokesman shot her. Well Rome was not built in a day was it?
 
What is missing from this (and most) stories on this matter are the dates and names/positions of those involved. This shooting (now called a first degree murder?) occured October 20, 2014 in front of at least 8 CPD officers - all of which lied. There was a cash settlement (of $5 million) on April 15, 2015 even before there was a civil lawsuit filed or any criminal charges made. On November 24, 2015 which was over a year after the shooting, and over 7 months after the miraculous settlement, murder charges were finally filed against the shooter (but as if he acted alone?).

To describe this as anything other than the actions of a completely corrupt police force and prosecutors office is ridiculous. Playing political games and promising "better internal accountability and training" over two years later is simply insane. At a minimum every officer filing a false report or giving a false statement to prosecutors in this matter should be charged, convicted and fined for at least every dollar of police pay earned after that date and fired. The CPD budget should be cut to repay the $5 million settlement plus the total court costs of this whole affair.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Laquan_McDonald
 
You may remember the shooting of Laquan MCDonald, a black man shot 16 times by an officer as he appeared to be walking away. The officer arrived on scene, many other officers were present. He jumped from his squad car and opened fire. The man had a knife in his hand but was walking away. First shot put him on the ground. 15 more fired. No first aid offered. He was the only officer to shoot. All cops on the scene lied on their reports although it was known there was dash cam video. The video wasn't released until the press went full tilt thru FOIA. The day the court ruled the video had to be released, the cops arrested the LEO and he is awaiting trial. Others have been dismissed and even prosecuted for their participation in the coverup. That's the back story.

Today, the CPD announced sweeping changes in use of deadly force, even tasers. Their new policy emphasizes the sanctity of life and clearly outlines when and if deadly force can be used. The department's 14,000 officer complement will go thru extensive training on the new policies as well as giving them new and proven ways to de-escalate situations.

You may be interested in the details. Chicago police announce new limits on use of force - Chicago Tribune

Victory is on the horizon. Landmark fires and prosecutions will have a powerful effect and, I believe, things will change for the much better. perhaps this approach will catch on across the country and both cops and perps will be safer on the streets.

Your thoughts?

Also, by 2018, every officer and every squad car will be equipped with a camera.

Maybe officers should rely more on tazers. I realize that people do die from tazers.But at the same time someone is not going to get shot 16 times with a tazer by a officer.
 
I like the idea of emphasis on deescalation, using time and distance n all that, but... whats with this rendering aid business?

They're not trained or properly equipped for that, it creates a weird disincentive to defending yourself properly, if they just used their weapon their heart is pounding far too hard from adrenaline to effectively do so and if their attention is on a wound then their head isn't on a swivel securing the scene or from possible 2nd shooters.

I'd rather we improve EMT response time, or better yet implement first aid drones w/ a medical proxy.
 
I like the idea of emphasis on deescalation, using time and distance n all that, but... whats with this rendering aid business?

They're not trained or properly equipped for that, it creates a weird disincentive to defending yourself properly, if they just used their weapon their heart is pounding far too hard from adrenaline to effectively do so and if their attention is on a wound then their head isn't on a swivel securing the scene or from possible 2nd shooters.

I'd rather we improve EMT response time, or better yet implement first aid drones w/ a medical proxy.

I imderstand what you're saying, but once sanctity of life comes into the mix, and it should, there is simply no reason to leave a man bleeding to death in the street when there's help on scene. I could certainly understand the shooting LEO not rendering assistance, but seems to me others could do more than stand there and watch a person bleed out. It has the appearance of extreme indifference.

Laquan McDonald was mentally ill, by the way.
If cops aren't trained in emergency first aid, I think they should be.
 
Well, 15 shots on a Black man down is sort of an overkill.

Let me ask...

Does it take more shots on a white man down??? Less shots???

Does it matter what ethnicity the person is????
 
Maybe officers should rely more on tazers. I realize that people do die from tazers.But at the same time someone is not going to get shot 16 times with a tazer by a officer.

Screw that, tazers can kill. They should adopt a policy of asking nicely. :rolleyes:
 
Screw that, tazers can kill. They should adopt a policy of asking nicely. :rolleyes:

And then.... when the criminal response to that request with..

"**** you white boy..."

.. the police are supposed to be like, "Well, I tried. I guess the family whose house you just broke into and stole a bunch of stuff from are on their own."
 
And then.... when the criminal response to that request with..

"**** you white boy..."

.. the police are supposed to be like, "Well, I tried. I guess the family whose house you just broke into and stole a bunch of stuff from are on their own."

Hey, as long as criminal thug citizens are not harmed that's all that matters.
 
I like the idea of emphasis on deescalation, using time and distance n all that, but... whats with this rendering aid business?

They're not trained or properly equipped for that, it creates a weird disincentive to defending yourself properly, if they just used their weapon their heart is pounding far too hard from adrenaline to effectively do so and if their attention is on a wound then their head isn't on a swivel securing the scene or from possible 2nd shooters.

I'd rather we improve EMT response time, or better yet implement first aid drones w/ a medical proxy.

I remember an addled man in his 80s 90s in a nursing home who had. Small paring knife. Inhis addledstate, he, using a walker, was threating staff. They called the cops. If I remember correctly, cops used a rubber bullet at ten feet and hit him in the midsection. He died from blood loss.

One of our posters who works in a nursing home said his training would have had them strip the mattress off the bed and gently back him to the wall. Quite a difference.
 
I remember an addled man in his 80s 90s in a nursing home who had. Small paring knife. Inhis addledstate, he, using a walker, was threating staff. They called the cops. If I remember correctly, cops used a rubber bullet at ten feet and hit him in the midsection. He died from blood loss.

One of our posters who works in a nursing home said his training would have had them strip the mattress off the bed and gently back him to the wall. Quite a difference.

That sounds like a good way to get cut.

Besides, even if you succeed in such a ploy... then what? have a stand off with an old man in the corner while you are 3 feet away?
 
I wonder how many cops will die because of these new "limits".
 
You may remember the shooting of Laquan MCDonald, a black man shot 16 times by an officer as he appeared to be walking away. The officer arrived on scene, many other officers were present. He jumped from his squad car and opened fire. The man had a knife in his hand but was walking away. First shot put him on the ground. 15 more fired. No first aid offered. He was the only officer to shoot. All cops on the scene lied on their reports although it was known there was dash cam video. The video wasn't released until the press went full tilt thru FOIA. The day the court ruled the video had to be released, the cops arrested the LEO and he is awaiting trial. Others have been dismissed and even prosecuted for their participation in the coverup. That's the back story.

Today, the CPD announced sweeping changes in use of deadly force, even tasers. Their new policy emphasizes the sanctity of life and clearly outlines when and if deadly force can be used. The department's 14,000 officer complement will go thru extensive training on the new policies as well as giving them new and proven ways to de-escalate situations.

You may be interested in the details. Chicago police announce new limits on use of force - Chicago Tribune

Victory is on the horizon. Landmark fires and prosecutions will have a powerful effect and, I believe, things will change for the much better. perhaps this approach will catch on across the country and both cops and perps will be safer on the streets.

Your thoughts?

Also, by 2018, every officer and every squad car will be equipped with a camera.

Great start to solving the problems. Good to hear. Thnx Mags...
 
Let me ask...

Does it take more shots on a white man down??? Less shots???

Does it matter what ethnicity the person is????

BLM seems to think it does. And Obama comments more on the tragic deaths of Blacks more often, it would seem.
 
That sounds like a good way to get cut.

Besides, even if you succeed in such a ploy... then what? have a stand off with an old man in the corner while you are 3 feet away?

I think you are just being argumentative. If five cops can't handle a 90-year-old on a walker, they ought find another job. A rubber bullet from a shotgun at ten feet is ridiculous. Cops have a hazardous job. They, just like lumberjacks, are going to have injuries. Using a mattress to push an old man off his feet isn't a ploy. It is a creative way to manage what ended up being a deadly encounter for a very old and addled man.
 
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