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Homeless Couple Having Sex In Public Last Straw: Denver Residents Moving Out

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A young couple in Denver’s West City Park neighborhood have put their home up for sale saying problems with Denver’s homeless population are driving them out of the city.
“It makes us extremely uncomfortable and we don’t want to live here any longer,” said the woman, who asked not to be identified.

“Increasingly every day it’s the number one reason I want to sell is because of the homeless situation.”

Homeless Couple Having Sex In Public Last Straw: Denver Residents Moving Out « CBS Denver

Everyone has needs. That being said, the idiots who stick up for the homeless instead of driving them out....are fools.
Hillary will do nothing to alleviate these problems.
 
MickeyW said:
A young couple in Denver’s West City Park neighborhood have put their home up for sale saying problems with Denver’s homeless population are driving them out of the city.
“It makes us extremely uncomfortable and we don’t want to live here any longer,” said the woman, who asked not to be identified.

“Increasingly every day it’s the number one reason I want to sell is because of the homeless situation.”

Homeless Couple Having Sex In Public Last Straw: Denver Residents Moving Out « CBS Denver

Everyone has needs. That being said, the idiots who stick up for the homeless instead of driving them out....are fools.
Hillary will do nothing to alleviate these problems.
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The biggest homeless camp in the area I live in is owned by a private party. He lets them live there as long as the police are not needed to stop illegal activities and they keep the place clean (we're talking about cleaner than a lot of homes I've seen). There's no trash, no overt illegal activity and if an issue arises that needs the police to intervene, it gets taken outside the camp. I got know some of the people living there and while they aren't what most people would consider "normal", they were for the most part pretty decent people. You'd see them walking the highway looking for cans/bottles and picking up trash as they went. If you needed some cheap (under the table) labor, you knew where to go.
 
MickeyW said:
A young couple in Denver’s West City Park neighborhood have put their home up for sale saying problems with Denver’s homeless population are driving them out of the city.
“It makes us extremely uncomfortable and we don’t want to live here any longer,” said the woman, who asked not to be identified.

“Increasingly every day it’s the number one reason I want to sell is because of the homeless situation.”

Homeless Couple Having Sex In Public Last Straw: Denver Residents Moving Out « CBS Denver

Everyone has needs. That being said, the idiots who stick up for the homeless instead of driving them out....are fools.
Hillary will do nothing to alleviate these problems.
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...instead of driving them out? Homeless people are not animals, they're still humans, many have severe mental health problems. Drive them out? Man, that's totally not the Christian thing to do.
 
Ikari said:
...instead of driving them out? Homeless people are not animals, they're still humans, many have severe mental health problems. Drive them out? Man, that's totally not the Christian thing to do.
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I would say that the sentiment may not he Christian, but it is hard to not understand it. They are at every intersection in my town and it gets to be a problem now. I actually have a feeling that several are not homeless. But that is based on who I see and so on.

But. I personally think that the problem shouldn't be to push them along, but to reduce their numbers. Giving them a place to live is one thing, but as you said...treating the mental illness is a step. But good luck since nobody is gonna pay for it.


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faithful_servant said:
The biggest homeless camp in the area I live in is owned by a private party. He lets them live there as long as the police are not needed to stop illegal activities and they keep the place clean (we're talking about cleaner than a lot of homes I've seen). There's no trash, no overt illegal activity and if an issue arises that needs the police to intervene, it gets taken outside the camp. I got know some of the people living there and while they aren't what most people would consider "normal", they were for the most part pretty decent people. You'd see them walking the highway looking for cans/bottles and picking up trash as they went. If you needed some cheap (under the table) labor, you knew where to go.
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A good solution when someone has the money and the means to deal with it. Most municipalities avoid dealing with it and the citizens are getting damn fed up...I for one.

TheGoverness said:
Just...SMH.
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Call it what you want, but they are nothing but problems everywhere. Communities are an eyesore and residents are fed up. Good citizens should not be saddled with, or have to pay, for the poor life choices of others.
These scummy assholes are harassing women, children and some men. They are stealing, fighting, assaulting, vandalizing and draining resources.
Some are mentally ill, but many are just lazy, no good, unemployable..... bums, who drop out of being respectable productive members of society and want a Free Ride.!

**** That!!

Ikari said:
...instead of driving them out? Homeless people are not animals, they're still humans, many have severe mental health problems. Drive them out? Man, that's totally not the Christian thing to do.
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Many of them do not have severe mental health problems, or any mental health problems. See my comments above.

blackjack50 said:
I would say that the sentiment may not he Christian, but it is hard to not understand it. They are at every intersection in my town and it gets to be a problem now. I actually have a feeling that several are not homeless. But that is based on who I see and so on.

But. I personally think that the problem shouldn't be to push them along, but to reduce their numbers. Giving them a place to live is one thing, but as you said...treating the mental illness is a step. But good luck since nobody is gonna pay for it.
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Exactly, who wants to finance the mentally ill, bums and criminals. Much of the mental illness is self induced. I refuse to pay for the stupidity of others who fried their brains with substance abuse.
 
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MickeyW said:
Many of them do not have severe mental health problems, or any mental health problems. See my comments above.
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Does that somehow make them inhuman? Driving out the homeless is not what Jesus would do.
 
blackjack50 said:
I would say that the sentiment may not he Christian, but it is hard to not understand it. They are at every intersection in my town and it gets to be a problem now. I actually have a feeling that several are not homeless. But that is based on who I see and so on.

But. I personally think that the problem shouldn't be to push them along, but to reduce their numbers. Giving them a place to live is one thing, but as you said...treating the mental illness is a step. But good luck since nobody is gonna pay for it.


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Well maybe it's about time we consider paying for it, or doing something to help the homeless instead of talking about "driving them out" as if they are nothing more than common vermin.

Once we stop treating humans as human is when everything starts going the hell. One cannot be so vapidly callous and consider themselves to be a moral individual.
 
I have known a lot of homeless people. I was homeless at one point in my life. I've also known a lot of drunks, junkies, deadbeats, bums, and crooks who are lumped by liberals into the pitiful "homeless" category. Sorry, they aren't the same thing.

I wont discuss the "homeless" when it starts with that lie.

The government should quit creating, subsidizing, and encouraging what they call the homeless.
 
Ikari said:
Well maybe it's about time we consider paying for it, or doing something to help the homeless instead of talking about "driving them out" as if they are nothing more than common vermin.

Once we stop treating humans as human is when everything starts going the hell. One cannot be so vapidly callous and consider themselves to be a moral individual.
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A lot of cities have homeless shelters, programs to rehab them and help them get work, section 8 housing and the like. SOME of them though are not helping themselves.
 
Ikari said:
Does that somehow make them inhuman? Driving out the homeless is not what Jesus would do.
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Relocating them to the desert and away from populated areas, would be more of what I meant.....;)
 
Ikari said:
Well maybe it's about time we consider paying for it, or doing something to help the homeless instead of talking about "driving them out" as if they are nothing more than common vermin.

Once we stop treating humans as human is when everything starts going the hell. One cannot be so vapidly callous and consider themselves to be a moral individual.
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Some are common vermin.

Patrickt said:
I have known a lot of homeless people. I was homeless at one point in my life. I've also known a lot of drunks, junkies, deadbeats, bums, and crooks who are lumped by liberals into the pitiful "homeless" category. Sorry, they aren't the same thing.

I wont discuss the "homeless" when it starts with that lie.

The government should quit creating, subsidizing, and encouraging what they call the homeless.
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Precisely! Fully agree.

SocialD said:
A lot of cities have homeless shelters, programs to rehab them and help them get work, section 8 housing and the like. SOME of them though are not helping themselves.
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Exactly, because they have succumb to one or more of the 7 Deadly Sins....
 
SocialD said:
A lot of cities have homeless shelters, programs to rehab them and help them get work, section 8 housing and the like. SOME of them though are not helping themselves.
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Our city kept building more homeless shelters because we were so damned accommodating we were attracting deadbeats from around the country. I arrested a man from Philadelphia one day and as we went to jail we were chatting and I said, "Being from Philadelphia, how do you even find this little city?"

"Oh, all the street people now about your city."
"What do they know?"
"Oh, really nice shelters, really nice people, they give you lots of stuff and most of the year the weather's nice."

What's the quote from the movie? "If we build it, they will come." Less than five percent of our shelter clients were from our county. We were importing them.
 
Patrickt said:
Our city kept building more homeless shelters because we were so damned accommodating we were attracting deadbeats from around the country. I arrested a man from Philadelphia one day and as we went to jail we were chatting and I said, "Being from Philadelphia, how do you even find this little city?"

"Oh, all the street people now about your city."
"What do they know?"
"Oh, really nice shelters, really nice people, they give you lots of stuff and most of the year the weather's nice."

What's the quote from the movie? "If we build it, they will come." Less than five percent of our shelter clients were from our county. We were importing them.
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OK, so these types of efforts need to be more federal than local. But in general, who the hell would want to live in Philadelphia? That place is a hole, even if you're not homeless.
 
Ikari said:
OK, so these types of efforts need to be more federal than local. But in general, who the hell would want to live in Philadelphia? That place is a hole, even if you're not homeless.
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Can you spread that BS around to all the homeless and thugs? They can all move to Mexico and us suburbanites can enjoy the awesomeness of Philly without all the riffraff around!
 
Groogrux said:
Can you spread that BS around to all the homeless and thugs? They can all move to Mexico and us suburbanites can enjoy the awesomeness of Philly without all the riffraff around!
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There is no awesomeness of Philly. Philly is America's Mos Eisley.
 
Ikari said:
There is no awesomeness of Philly. Philly is America's Mos Eisley.
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Philly is full of history, it has amazing museums and awesome restaurants. It's the thugs and the homeless that make Philly a ****hole.
 
Ikari said:
Does that somehow make them inhuman? Driving out the homeless is not what Jesus would do.
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Jesus is dead. We no longer have the power to turn water into wine or feed thousands with a single loaf.

The problem is here and now. Do you have a solution?
 
Groogrux said:
Philly is full of history, it has amazing museums and awesome restaurants. It's the thugs and the homeless that make Philly a ****hole.
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It's thugs are pretty much all it has. Wear the wrong jersey around there and they'll curb stomp your ass faster than than you can say "These aren't the droids you're looking for".
 
jimbo said:
Jesus is dead. We no longer have the power to turn water into wine or feed thousands with a single loaf.

The problem is here and now. Do you have a solution?
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What? Jesus is god, is god dead?

Anyway, yes, we can have actual homeless shelters, we can have proper healthcare and do what we can to help people. You can't just "drive them out", the homeless are people, human beings, they need to be treated as human beings.
 
Ikari said:
It's thugs are pretty much all it has. Wear the wrong jersey around there and they'll curb stomp your ass faster than than you can say "These aren't the droids you're looking for".
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We're originally from NY, living in the Philly burbs. We're huge Rangers fans and we've never had a problem wearing our Rangers jerseys to Flyers games. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Interestingly, the only place we've been given a serious hassle wearing Rangers jerseys was in Boston.
 
Ikari said:
What? Jesus is god, is god dead?

Anyway, yes, we can have actual homeless shelters, we can have proper healthcare and do what we can to help people. You can't just "drive them out", the homeless are people, human beings, they need to be treated as human beings.
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Jesus is not God. Look it up.

But basically your solution is to throw more government money at the problem. That has worked so well in the past.
 
jimbo said:
Jesus is not God. Look it up.
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Pfft, the Holy Trinity is one in the same. Look it up.

jimbo said:
But basically your solution is to throw more government money at the problem. That has worked so well in the past.
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Basically the solution is to behave like moral human beings and establish the structures necessary to take care of our less fortunate. Obviously private donation doesn't produce that structure, so we need to do something else. It seems your solution is to pretend that they are subhuman vermin and treat them as such.
 
Ikari said:
Pfft, the Holy Trinity is one in the same. Look it up.



Basically the solution is to behave like moral human beings and establish the structures necessary to take care of our less fortunate. Obviously private donation doesn't produce that structure, so we need to do something else. It seems your solution is to pretend that they are subhuman vermin and treat them as such.
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No, that's not my solution. I don't have a solution. I'm pretty sure doing more of the same, spending more government money, and expecting different results, is not the solution.
 
jimbo said:
No, that's not my solution. I don't have a solution. I'm pretty sure doing more of the same, spending more government money, and expecting different results, is not the solution.
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How much are we actually spending? I think we'd find that the entire system is drastically underfunded. Apparently wherever Patrickt is from has built such a fantastic structure for the homeless, that his city is well known by street-people. So it does seem that there is a level of funding that can produce results.
 
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