To those who insist racism is not common nor prevalent among police departments ...

DirtyRat said:

To those who insist racism is not common nor prevalent among police departments ... ... please stop repeating that lie.

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Excon said:

Nothing you provided shows racism is common or prevalent.
Which is the real problem here.
Just like #blackliesmatter is predicated on a lie, so is your presentation.

Individual actions do not speak for the Police as a whole, or do you really not know that?

Simply declaring something racist doesn't make it racist either.
Is a black joke racial? Of course, is it necessarily racist? No.


Nothing you provided actually shows "racism". Nothing common or prevalent among the force.

#1. San Francisco: Fail.
Four Officers who exchanged "derogatory" references. Four. And then another group after this one. "Derogatory" does not automatically make it racist. And this small group does not make it common or prevalent.

#2. Fail.
New York City: Nothing but allegations and nothing suggesting it is racist.

#3. Seattle: Fail.
Some indicators of potentially biased policing? WTF? That does not speak to racism.

#4. Los Angeles: Fail.
Two emailed jokes. Two. Two does not common or prevalent make.
"... jokes about Muslims, Catholics, Latinos, African-Americans and women." does not speak of racism but of insensitivity.

#5. Denver: Fail.
That is not an indication of racism or that it is common or prevalent.

#6. Minneapolis: Fail.
OMG. More bs. Alleged racial profiling, does not mean it is racist. Do you really not understand that?
As to more being stopped for traffic offenses. Show blacks do not commit more traffic offenses. You can't.
And it has already been shown that using demographics of the area does not represent reality because of the roads traveled are done so by those outside of that community as well.

#7. Kansas City: Fail.
Alleged racial profiling.
Alleged doesn't mean it is, and racial doesn't mean racist.

#8. Chicago: Fail.
Stop and frisk disproportionately affecting one demographic over another has to do with where crime is concentrated.
That in no way makes it racism or makes racism prevalent.

#8. New Orleans: Fail.
Racial profiling does not make it racism.

#9. Memphis: Fail.
While this is clearly racially motivated against black criminals, as it was posted in response to the Five Officers killed in Dallas it doe snot automatically equate to racism.
And as it was only done by one person and retweeted by another, it is not an indication that it is common or prevalent behavior either, especially as the Memphis police were quick to condemn the image.

#10. Columbus: Fail.
This is an Officer who was unknown to use harsh and insensitive language towards all he had disagreement with.
While an individual using "racially charged names" may or may not make them racist, it does not make it force racist or it common and prevalent among the force.
And alleging discrimination because the department took a year to investigate is hilarious.

#11. Atlanta: Fail.
Wtf? There is absolutely nothing here for you to even suggest racism, let alone it being prevalent and common.

#12. Miami: Fail.
More insensitive email bs. That does not automatically make the people involved racist.
Most of which occurred between two minorities Officers.


I am not going to go on with the bs you provided as it was bs.
Not once have you show any of it to be actual racism, common or prevalent.

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X Factor said:

Glass houses must be a bitch to keep clean? Are they? Not seeing much reason to be overly concerned with what or who you do or don't respect. The lie you keep advancing is that police officers are systematically murdering people based on nothing other than the color of their skin. Drop your lie before you start making demands on others.

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Thoreau72 said:

but the facts are that cops routinely murder black folks that are doing nothing wrong,

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Thoreau72 said:

but it certainly is common and routine.

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DirtyRat said:

I don't deal well with violence, but living next door to bigots is not an appealing prospect, either.

You haven't yet addressed what I said, and instead are attempting to victim-shame, its not a particularly noble ad hominem -- not that any ad hominem is noble. Am I supposed to be any more impressed by this than your intellectual dishonesty, racism denialist, refusal to correct your assessments despite a preponderance of evidence disproving your assertions?

You're welcome to take a step back, re-assess your outlook on society and culture and find a way to end your supremacist mindset anytime you choose.

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Thoreau72 said:

It may not be systematic, but it certainly is common and routine.

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Manc Skipper said:

It shouldn't happen at all, or very rarely. It's weekly occurrence, FFS! The excuses are getting weaker and waffer thin as we go.

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DirtyRat said:

Welcome to the denialist club where no amount of facts nor official court findings will deter you from denying there is an ongoing, broad, willful effort in every city in every state across the U.S.A. to selectively harrass minorities and to be quickly to shoot them dead with no real just cause, regardless of whether they were armed or not, and in several cases officers have been caught on camera attempting to plant guns on their victims.

There's a duck in front of you. Its always been a duck. It was a duck yesterday, its a duck today, its a duck tomorrow, but you keep denying there is a duck and anytime anyone tells you that its a duck, you tell them they're a liar.

Your brain is stuck, sir. Please have it looked at.

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DirtyRat said:

No, that's not all I get to see. And I grew up next door to a public housing project. I've seen plenty of videos of police not reacting, but instead instigating proactively against persons that presented no threat. The records bear it out, and continuing to deny the reality in America's cities proven over and over again is beyond the pale in dishonest allegiance to active racist actions committed by public officials.

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DirtyRat said:

False. I live in a public housing area as we speak, and I'll often see other residents in this area walk up to the police to ask or report something.

Why do you have such an insatiable and unwavering compunction to falsify claims about poor black people?

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DirtyRat said:

I don't deal well with violence, but living next door to bigots is not an appealing prospect, either.

You haven't yet addressed what I said, and instead are attempting to victim-shame, its not a particularly noble ad hominem -- not that any ad hominem is noble. Am I supposed to be any more impressed by this than your intellectual dishonesty, racism denialist, refusal to correct your assessments despite a preponderance of evidence disproving your assertions?

You're welcome to take a step back, re-assess your outlook on society and culture and find a way to end your supremacist mindset anytime you choose.

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Bodhisattva said:

The poor women... the poor blacks... the evil white man...

We get it.

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faithful_servant said:

You know Bodhi, since it's Friday. my wife is working late and I'm a white male, I think that I'm going to go out and oppress some black people. I think that I'll start with the black guy around the corner from me. He's got this convertible Mustang (mid-90's :3oops: ) that I really don't like, so I think that I'll burn an Escort in his front yard and then report him to the police for an illegal burn.

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Bodhisattva said:

You really need to work that woman more. Give her chores when she gets home. You kick back with a beer.

90's Mustangs were lame but please don't discriminate by colour... red is respectable.

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X Factor said:

No, it really isn't. For it to be "routine" and "common", it would have to happen more often than not that a black person is killed for no reason every time there is an encounter with police and there is nothing that supports that.

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Thoreau72 said:

I guess just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so too is 'justification' for murder. Sorry, we must agree to disagree. Police shootings are of epic proportions these days, and more often than not, the victim is an unarmed black.

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DirtyRat said:

Wow, a black person did something not nice and therefore the whole lot of them deserve to be shot by police and that should never be questioned.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building and killed a lot of people. Should every white Christian be subjected to being treated as a terrorist as a result?

You keep digging your grave deeper and deeper. You are not doing your soul, your morality, your honor, your integrity nor your credibility any service by continuing to refuse to address your now out and proven bigotry.

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roguenuke said:

Here's the issue. Really, there are fewer incidents now than have really been in the past. The problem is that now, there are more cameras on everyone. In addition to this, the more often people claim that something is happening for a certain reason, the more often that others will start to believe that something is happening for a certain reason, regardless of whether there is any actual evidence for it.

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roguenuke said:

Epic proportions? There were 900 people shot and killed by police last year in the US, out of millions per day of police/civilian interactions. That percent is unbelievably small.


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Thoreau72 said:

That is a good point I suppose. "Epic" might have been the wrong word.

But given the "Protect and Serve" slogan on so many police cruisers, given the propaganda that police are "protecting" us, given that hardly a week goes by without some such incident, and given that we are conditioned to believe this is the "land of the free and home of the brave", it's a lot.

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DirtyRat said:

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Charleston:
"North Charleston cop fired for posing in Confederate flag underwear on Facebook" -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-in-confederate-flag-underwear-on-facebook/

Richmond:
"Seven high-ranking African American police officials are suing Police Chief Chris Magnus, former Deputy Chief Lori Ritter and the city for alleged discriminatory promotion practices, intimidation and racists banter in 2006-7. Before the plaintiffs rested their case, several witnesses accused Magnus and Ritter, who are both white, of colluding to block them from coveted positions and making a series of racist comments in their presence." -- Richmond police captain describes intimidation, sabotage in department in 2006-7 | Richmond Confidential

DC:
"... there were hundreds and hundreds (of police patrol car computer text messages) that are vulgar, obscene, racist or homophobic ..." -- DC Cop Chatter: Vulgar, Sexist, Racist - ABC News

Baltimore:
Baltimore police have racial bias, Justice Department reports -- Baltimore police have racial bias, Justice Department reports - CNN.com

Pittsburgh:
Pittsburgh police chief who vowed to 'challenge racism at work' sees his popularity plummet among officers -- Pittsburgh police chief who vowed to 'challenge racism at work' sees his popularity plummet among officers | PennLive.com


These are just a few cities. I tried to sample from various regions across the U.S. Every time I picked a city, I was able to readily find evidence, and in some cases even official findings of racist practices in every single police department I checked out.


If you have it in your head that racism is not pervasive and active in police departments all across the country, that mindset you have is completely fallacious and in a readily-proven state of dishonest denial.

I grew up being taught to respect cops, and I did for many years never question that. However, between the chief of police in my hometown beating and eventually murdering his wife in broad daylight, to a friend of my mom's whom was a police officer in a small mountain town describing my biracial cousins as "dirty" and referred to blacks as the n-word, that unquestioning respect started to crack.

Every single time you've declared racism isn't common, when it actually is, you've furthered the damage. You won't find these facts gathered nor reported on Fox news, so if that's your only source of news, you have seriously crippled yourself in terms of your exposure to actual news and information.

If you're in denial over racism, you won't have my respect and don't deserve it, really.

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DirtyRat said:

Welcome to the denialist club where no amount of facts nor official court findings will deter you from denying there is an ongoing, broad, willful effort in every city in every state across the U.S.A. to selectively harrass minorities and to be quickly to shoot them dead with no real just cause, regardless of whether they were armed or not, and in several cases officers have been caught on camera attempting to plant guns on their victims.

There's a duck in front of you. Its always been a duck. It was a duck yesterday, its a duck today, its a duck tomorrow, but you keep denying there is a duck and anytime anyone tells you that its a duck, you tell them they're a liar.

Your brain is stuck, sir. Please have it looked at.

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DirtyRat said:

Several were actual findings of investigations, some by federal agencies.

You'd be hard pressed to find a police department that does not have a long rap sheet of its own for civil convictions of racist actions. Anyone who comes from a poor neighborhood that includes blacks and other minorities knows how differently the police treat poor black folk than white folk. Those living in white picket and largely whites-only communities don't.

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RetiredUSN said:

Maybe.... these poor black folk should learn to behave? Maybe..... they take to the streets at a early age and end up getting their civics lessons standing before a judge? Maybe..... some of them are born to unwed unwed teenage mothers who had zero values to begin with? Maybe....some of these thugs learn their behavior at home? Maybe.... they place the thug culture over civics and learning? Maybe....because only 29% of black men are represented in the average black household?

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DirtyRat said:

Because its not fair to expect cops to be disciplined and professional in your book? The burden should fall solely on those "savages?"

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