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13 people killed in Chicago over Labor Day as homicides climb over 500

Thirteen people were shot to death in Chicago over the Labor Day weekend as the city logged its 500th homicide of the year.

Thirty-one of the 65 people shot over the long weekend were wounded between 6 a.m. Monday and 3 a.m. Tuesday. Nine of the fatal shootings occurred over that period.

13 people killed in Chicago over Labor Day as homicides climb over 500 - Chicago Tribune

BLdM. They never have.

Can't say I am surprised. No matter what Chicago tries it results in total failure and further record breaking loss of life.

Quite literally some of the most dangerous cities on the planet are right here in the US, Chicago is one of them (as well as St Louis, Detroit, and New Orleans.)

OrphanSlug said:

Can't say I am surprised. No matter what Chicago tries it results in total failure and further record breaking loss of life.

Quite literally some of the most dangerous cities on the planet are right here in the US, Chicago is one of them (as well as St Louis, Detroit, and New Orleans.)

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Most people would (correctly) say its only certain PARTS of Chicago, Detroit, and...well...never mind...New Orleans just sucks.

VanceMack said:

Most people would (correctly) say its only certain PARTS of Chicago, Detroit, and...well...never mind...New Orleans just sucks.

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No matter how we slice and dice this, when someone issues a warning about travel or concerns in some city it rarely comes with so many qualifiers that you know down to the street level where not to be. In some cases yes, in others you get a more generalized "be careful going to <insert city name here.>"

The real why is economics and sociology, but rarely is politics really all that interested in either of those subjects.

OrphanSlug said:

No matter how we slice and dice this, when someone issues a warning about travel or concerns in some city it rarely comes with so many qualifiers that you know down to the street level where not to be. In some cases yes, in others you get a more generalized "be careful going to <insert city name here.>"

The real why is economics and sociology, but rarely is politics really all that interested in either of those subjects.

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I stay at the JW Marriot when I am in town for conferences. Dont really see the seedy side of Chicago life. Dont want to.

I agree...this isnt solved by silly breakdowns on law enforcement, gun control, or black and white. It is simple long term economics.

VanceMack said:

I stay at the JW Marriot when I am in town for conferences. Dont really see the seedy side of Chicago life. Dont want to.

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I don't blame you... at all.

That is only the shootings reported. Many of these "gang related" or "domestic" disputes (involving gunfire) do not even make the stats because nobody dares (bothers?) to report it.

OrphanSlug said:

Can't say I am surprised. No matter what Chicago tries it results in total failure and further record breaking loss of life.

Quite literally some of the most dangerous cities on the planet are right here in the US, Chicago is one of them (as well as St Louis, Detroit, and New Orleans.)

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I partially agree. Nothing they try seems to work; true. The caveat is that they never seem to try anything new. Everything comes out of the same old playbook, and oddly enough, comes with the same old results.

OrphanSlug said:

Can't say I am surprised. No matter what Chicago tries it results in total failure and further record breaking loss of life.

Quite literally some of the most dangerous cities on the planet are right here in the US, Chicago is one of them (as well as St Louis, Detroit, and New Orleans.)

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There comes a point at which the window closes on being able to get people to make better choices, especially when it comes to the poor. After that, we just have to let nature take its course really.

VanceMack said:

Most people would (correctly) say its only certain PARTS of Chicago, Detroit, and...well...never mind...New Orleans just sucks.

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OrphanSlug said:

Can't say I am surprised. No matter what Chicago tries it results in total failure and further record breaking loss of life.

Quite literally some of the most dangerous cities on the planet are right here in the US, Chicago is one of them (as well as St Louis, Detroit, and New Orleans.)

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It's pretty accurate to quantify this as predominately a problem in several distinct neighborhoods on the West and South sides.

But even then, it's still an embarrassing blight on the city and a tragedy to those in those neighborhoods.

And despite the segregated nature of the problem, there still is some (perhaps relatively insignificant) bleed-over into other neighborhoods, though that's generally property crime but may still be of a violent nature.

The segregated nature of the violence is shown by Chicago ranking around 25-30th of large American cities in terms of violent crimes per capita. Chicago's huge size plays into the many violent acts in terms of quantity, whereas in terms of per capita it ranks substantially lower. That's not to say being '25th most violent' is a good thing, but Chicago being safer than Houston, Minneapolis, or Nashville, may offer a better perspective.

VanceMack said:

I stay at the JW Marriot when I am in town for conferences. Dont really see the seedy side of Chicago life. Dont want to.

I agree...this isnt solved by silly breakdowns on law enforcement, gun control, or black and white. It is simple long term economics.

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If you're speaking of the Michigan Ave Marriott, you're definitely seeing one of the nicer sides of urban Chicago. It's pretty nice by Ohare too, but it's ensconced in bland corporate suburban-like mediocrity.

I'd be careful about excursions by el to the Southside or West side; miss the Chinatown stop going south, and you're only a few stops from Englewood. Much better-off taking a cab to those areas. The West side and South side do indeed have things to offer - you just don't want to end-up in the wrong areas.

If you're ever interested in seeing the nicer residential areas, rent a car and drive north up Lake Shore Drive to where it ends and intersects with Sheridan Road, and continue going north on Sheridan Road up the North Shore through Evanston to Glencoe or Highland Park, or even further to Lake Forest and Lake Bluff if you're enjoying yourself. It's an enjoyable drive on a nice day, especially in a convertible.

In fact, before you write-off Chicago - I would challenge you to take that drive.

Chomsky said:

It's pretty accurate to quantify this as predominately a problem in several distinct neighborhoods on the West and South sides.

But even then, it's still an embarrassing blight on the city and a tragedy to those in those neighborhoods.

And despite the segregated nature of the problem, there still is some (perhaps relatively insignificant) bleed-over into other neighborhoods, though that's generally property crime but may still be of a violent nature.

The segregated nature of the violence is shown by Chicago ranking around 25-30th of large American cities in terms of violent crimes per capita. Chicago's huge size plays into the many violent acts in terms of quantity, whereas in terms of per capita it ranks substantially lower. That's not to say being '25th most violent' is a good thing, but Chicago being safer than Houston, Minneapolis, or Nashville, may offer a better perspective.


If you're speaking of the Michigan Ave Marriott, you're definitely seeing one of the nicer sides of urban Chicago. It's pretty nice by Ohare too, but it's ensconced in bland corporate suburban-like mediocrity.

I'd be careful about excursions by el to the Southside or West side; miss the Chinatown stop going south, and you're only a few stops from Englewood. Much better-off taking a cab to those areas. The West side and South side do indeed have things to offer - you just don't want to end-up in the wrong areas.

If you're ever interested in seeing the nicer residential areas, rent a car and drive north up Lake Shore Drive to where it ends and intersects with Sheridan Road, and continue going north on Sheridan Road up the North Shore through Evanston to Glencoe or Highland Park, or even further to Lake Forest and Lake Bluff if you're enjoying yourself. It's an enjoyable drive on a nice day, especially in a convertible.

In fact, before you write-off Chicago - I would challenge you to take that drive.

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I loved the Union League Club. Definitely a better side of the town, though, fewer Rubens and more other painters in the collection would have suited my tastes better.

joG said:

I loved the Union League Club. Definitely a better side of the town, though, fewer Rubens and more other painters in the collection would have suited my tastes better.

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Well, you definitely get around!

That building is an excellent example of old-school Chicago architecture.

I worked for a time down the block on the floor of CBOE (Options Exchange - across the street from the Board of Trade), back in the day.

The view of the architectural canyon looking south down LaSalle street to the Board of Trade Building, from across the Loop at the river, is quite a sight at night!

Chomsky said:

It's pretty accurate to quantify this as predominately a problem in several distinct neighborhoods on the West and South sides.

But even then, it's still an embarrassing blight on the city and a tragedy to those in those neighborhoods.

And despite the segregated nature of the problem, there still is some (perhaps relatively insignificant) bleed-over into other neighborhoods, though that's generally property crime but may still be of a violent nature.

The segregated nature of the violence is shown by Chicago ranking around 25-30th of large American cities in terms of violent crimes per capita. Chicago's huge size plays into the many violent acts in terms of quantity, whereas in terms of per capita it ranks substantially lower. That's not to say being '25th most violent' is a good thing, but Chicago being safer than Houston, Minneapolis, or Nashville, may offer a better perspective.


If you're speaking of the Michigan Ave Marriott, you're definitely seeing one of the nicer sides of urban Chicago. It's pretty nice by Ohare too, but it's ensconced in bland corporate suburban-like mediocrity.

I'd be careful about excursions by el to the Southside or West side; miss the Chinatown stop going south, and you're only a few stops from Englewood. Much better-off taking a cab to those areas. The West side and South side do indeed have things to offer - you just don't want to end-up in the wrong areas.

If you're ever interested in seeing the nicer residential areas, rent a car and drive north up Lake Shore Drive to where it ends and intersects with Sheridan Road, and continue going north on Sheridan Road up the North Shore through Evanston to Glencoe or Highland Park, or even further to Lake Forest and Lake Bluff if you're enjoying yourself. It's an enjoyable drive on a nice day, especially in a convertible.

In fact, before you write-off Chicago - I would challenge you to take that drive.

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I know some people up by Chicago way. They love it. Its like I said earlier...its just certain areas.

Chomsky said:

Well, you definitely get around!

That building is an excellent example of old-school Chicago architecture.

I worked for a time down the block on the floor of CBOE (Options Exchange - across the street from the Board of Trade), back in the day.

The view of the architectural canyon looking south down LaSalle street to the Board of Trade Building, from across the Loop at the river, is quite a sight at night!

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Thanks. I remember that view, though it seems changed.

joG said:

Thanks. I remember that view, though it seems changed.

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I suspect you remember something slightly older:

Chomsky said:

I suspect you remember something slightly older:

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Got it in one.

MickeyW said:

13 people killed in Chicago over Labor Day as homicides climb over 500

Thirteen people were shot to death in Chicago over the Labor Day weekend as the city logged its 500th homicide of the year.

Thirty-one of the 65 people shot over the long weekend were wounded between 6 a.m. Monday and 3 a.m. Tuesday. Nine of the fatal shootings occurred over that period.

13 people killed in Chicago over Labor Day as homicides climb over 500 - Chicago Tribune

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And Rahm Emanuel is...where? Where's the Mayor when the city he was elected to serve is going to ****?

Colin Kaepernick...where's that prick at? He's so flaming concerned about his oppressed brothas and all. Where's he at when they're being shot by each other?

I know where the police are: They're staying away from Ground Zero of this mess because the Anti-Cop hysterics has them afraid of doing their jobs, for fear of needing a lawyer right after they do it.

Roadvirus said:

And Rahm Emanuel is...where? Where's the Mayor when the city he was elected to serve is going to ****?

Colin Kaepernick...where's that prick at? He's so flaming concerned about his oppressed brothas and all. Where's he at when they're being shot by each other?

I know where the police are: They're staying away from Ground Zero of this mess because the Anti-Cop hysterics has them afraid of doing their jobs, for fear of needing a lawyer right after they do it.

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I'd say that was all an adequate summation.

Roadvirus said:

And Rahm Emanuel is...where? Where's the Mayor when the city he was elected to serve is going to ****?

Colin Kaepernick...where's that prick at? He's so flaming concerned about his oppressed brothas and all. Where's he at when they're being shot by each other?

I know where the police are: They're staying away from Ground Zero of this mess because the Anti-Cop hysterics has them afraid of doing their jobs, for fear of needing a lawyer right after they do it.

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I hate to agree with you but I have too in this case...

VanceMack said:

BLdM. They never have.

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Not if they can't be exploited by racists.