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Youth curfews

You think I admitted it but you'd be wrong (one reason for the quotation marks used in my post.)

Ok. Still though, that is what the cops use them for. They will use their time with the citizen to search for any infractions that he might be guilty of. It's why the cop starts looking in the car and wondering what is in black bags.
 
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Arguing that you're not violating someones rights because they have less rights than everyone else is a remarkably bad argument that historically has been used to oppress certain groups.

Sorry, the OP is arguing teenage prejudices and somehow equating it to black civil rights fight.
 
Sorry, the OP is arguing teenage prejudices and somehow equating it to black civil rights fight.

So? I thought were talking about post four.
 
But it only reduces it by 10% while cutting out 29%.
A 10% reduction in crime, shows that the curfew works. Continuing to quote the 29% number just lets us know you don't understand causation versus correlation, much less causal effect.
Assuming that making a youth curfew last all day would reduce it 100%, a good deal would be if it reduced a third or more
Strawman argument.
The curfew basically encourages cops to harass people and check their IDs when they could be preventing someone from breaking into a store
If a kid is out after curfew and the cops ask for an ID, that isn't harassment, that's law enforcement. Which by the way, is the cops' job. Also, by your own admission, there was a 10% drop in crime, therefore, the cops are actually doing what you said they should be doing, by enforcing the curfew. Again, ensuring that a law is not being broken (asking young people for ID when they are out after curfew) is not harassment. If a person looks young, and they are outside after curfew, then the officer has probable cause to ask for ID (such as what's done in a Terry stop) to investigate whether the young person is breaking the law.

Read my sig below for a more concise description of how to avoid getting in trouble with the police over a curfew, as well as a simple cure for most ills that befall a person during their life.
 
You can still assume that the individual is young and might not completely understand their decisions and still grant them full rights.

What? A minor (juvenile) does not possess the legal right to act independent of a legal guardian without being granted Emancipation by a competent state court judge.
 
A 10% reduction in crime, shows that the curfew works. Continuing to quote the 29% number just lets us know you don't understand causation versus correlation, much less causal effect. Strawman argument. If a kid is out after curfew and the cops ask for an ID, that isn't harassment, that's law enforcement. Which by the way, is the cops' job. Also, by your own admission, there was a 10% drop in crime, therefore, the cops are actually doing what you said they should be doing, by enforcing the curfew. Again, ensuring that a law is not being broken (asking young people for ID when they are out after curfew) is not harassment. If a person looks young, and they are outside after curfew, then the officer has probable cause to ask for ID (such as what's done in a Terry stop) to investigate whether the young person is breaking the law.

Read my sig below for a more concise description of how to avoid getting in trouble with the police over a curfew, as well as a simple cure for most ills that befall a person during their life.

but there was only a 10% drop when the curfew took up 29% of the day. I meant asking for ID other than for a pullover. If someone over 18 forgot their ID then the police could assume that he's underage. Most people don't know about the curfew.
 
but there was only a 10% drop when the curfew took up 29% of the day.
The curfew took up 29% of the day for what percentage of the population? You see? You still aren't discussing these numbers in full context. The 29% and the 10% are not directly related. Let's walk through just a few quick possibilities: Let's say that the majority (75% let's say) of those under 18 are not out after 12am and before 5am because they are getting ready for school the next day by sleeping. That leaves us 25%. Of that 25%, some of those young people have dropped out of school and are at work at the 24 hour Walmart or McDonalds (let's say, 10%), so that leaves us 15%. Out of that 15% remaining, some are already in jail (let's say 5%). That leaves us 10%. You may say, wow, that coincides with the 10% in the drop in crime. But, you would be wrong. Why? Because none of that crap I just typed matters, because the 10% drop in crime goes against ALL crime statistics which include crimes perpetrated by adults, not just juveniles. You see now? I wrote a hell of a lot of percentage numbers above and none of them mean any more than the 29% you keep grasping to. There is no causal relationship between the percentage of the clock that is covered by the curfew and the percentage of drop in crime over the entire population of adults and juveniles.
So that I meant asking for ID other than for a pullover. If someone over 18 forgot their ID then the police could assume that he's underage. Most people don't know about the curfew.
Ignorance is a bitch. If those kids were in school during the day and in bed at night, then they may get educated on a number of issues, including the curfew law, plus have the added bonuses of not breaking the law (because they're in bed at might during curfew hours) and would be better prepared to get a job when they graduate allowing them to not need to be out all night getting into trouble.
 
A 10% reduction in crime, shows that the curfew works. Continuing to quote the 29% number just lets us know you don't understand causation versus correlation, much less causal effect. Strawman argument. If a kid is out after curfew and the cops ask for an ID, that isn't harassment, that's law enforcement. Which by the way, is the cops' job. Also, by your own admission, there was a 10% drop in crime, therefore, the cops are actually doing what you said they should be doing, by enforcing the curfew. Again, ensuring that a law is not being broken (asking young people for ID when they are out after curfew) is not harassment. If a person looks young, and they are outside after curfew, then the officer has probable cause to ask for ID (such as what's done in a Terry stop) to investigate whether the young person is breaking the law.

Read my sig below for a more concise description of how to avoid getting in trouble with the police over a curfew, as well as a simple cure for most ills that befall a person during their life.

I think children and anyone else under government curfew should break it on purpose In fact, I think when a city decides to put a curfew in place people should protest it in the streets after curfew. Why? Because people have the right to freely travel and the government is out of line telling people to stay in one place when they have done nothing wrong.
 
What? A minor (juvenile) does not possess the legal right to act independent of a legal guardian without being granted Emancipation by a competent state court judge.

I care little about that. My statement is simply over the possibly of the two co-existing.
 
I think children and anyone else under government curfew should break it on purpose In fact, I think when a city decides to put a curfew in place people should protest it in the streets after curfew. Why? Because people have the right to freely travel and the government is out of line telling people to stay in one place when they have done nothing wrong.

now that's what I call civil disobedience.
 
The curfew took up 29% of the day for what percentage of the population? You see? You still aren't discussing these numbers in full context. The 29% and the 10% are not directly related. Let's walk through just a few quick possibilities: Let's say that the majority (75% let's say) of those under 18 are not out after 12am and before 5am because they are getting ready for school the next day by sleeping. That leaves us 25%. Of that 25%, some of those young people have dropped out of school and are at work at the 24 hour Walmart or McDonalds (let's say, 10%), so that leaves us 15%. Out of that 15% remaining, some are already in jail (let's say 5%). That leaves us 10%. You may say, wow, that coincides with the 10% in the drop in crime. But, you would be wrong. Why? Because none of that crap I just typed matters, because the 10% drop in crime goes against ALL crime statistics which include crimes perpetrated by adults, not just juveniles. You see now? I wrote a hell of a lot of percentage numbers above and none of them mean any more than the 29% you keep grasping to. There is no causal relationship between the percentage of the clock that is covered by the curfew and the percentage of drop in crime over the entire population of adults and juveniles.
most curfew violations happen when they're out of school. I think a curfew applying to those under 13 would be reasonable but I'm against the current one
Ignorance is a bitch. If those kids were in school during the day and in bed at night, then they may get educated on a number of issues, including the curfew law, plus have the added bonuses of not breaking the law (because they're in bed at might during curfew hours) and would be better prepared to get a job when they graduate allowing them to not need to be out all night getting into trouble.
I never heard about the youth curfew until recently; not once did the school mention such a thing, even in government history. I heard about it because a few days ago, I was on TV tropes.org looking at the page for public service announcements and one of the PSAs which used to air asked "It's 10PM, do you know where your kids are?" and it left me wondering if there was a youth curfew and sure enough, there was, but it was enforced at the local level.
 
Youth curfews, muslim curfews, black curfews, and of course Mexican curfews are a big part of an authoritarian society like ours.

Somebody somewhere will come up with yet another class to add to the list.
 
But it only reduces it by 10% while cutting out 29%. Assuming that making a youth curfew last all day would reduce it 100%, a good deal would be if it reduced a third or more The curfew basically encourages cops to harass people and check their IDs when they could be preventing someone from breaking into a store

So it does not cut out crime that doesn't occur because those criminals are asleep... and you think that this hurts the argument? :lol: Somebody doesn't understand stats...

This anti teenage prejudice won't be changed by silence.

Uhhh... what? Anti-teenage prejudice? :lol:

I guess I was guilty of "infant prejudice" when I made my kids take naps even though they wanted to stay up. Well, my kids do call me Hitler!
 
I'm not saying they should be held the same responsibility as adults but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like they're 2nd class citizens. Here's my opinion:

buying a house: 18

gambling age: 18

drinking age: 18 (as low as 13 with parental consent but being drunk will still be 18)

marriage age: 18

death penalty: 18

driving age: 16

internet account: 13

no youth curfews

Look at all of your hypocrisy!!!

What about all those innocent good kids that can drive well before 16? Good kids that are respnsible on the internet being denied usage before 13!!??

My 12 year-old daughter is much more mature than most teenagers... why do you want to oppress her rights?
 
I am all for oppressing and suppressing teenagers' so-called "rights." :mrgreen:
 
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