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Cops Shoot Up A Minivan Full Of Kids & Crazy Mom. New Mexico

Typical CON quibble, lose badly and pout the game was changed... No Sir, I showed where you made some very bad statements- trying to of all things claim until now it was OK for cops to shoot at vans full of kids, coz NOW the cops are strapped down by being denied that ability.... :roll:

Fact is I know the use of deadly force was NOT permitted and the Cop is wrong.
No you just went into how many cops you trained.
 
None of this has anything to do with "liberal" or "conservative" labeling.

He should not have fired because he did not know the situation, did not know who he was shooting at or why, did not know who was in the van, and no one's life was in any imminent danger.

In retrospect, that officer knows it, the department knows it and everyone but police groupies know it.

Those who were officers on this forum who aren't now police junkies knows it too. But they/we also understand officers are human, they screw up, particularly some do so in intense sudden surprise situations, so it also is not accurate to just declare the officer is some evil maniac. Many officers receive very little training - and little to no situational training to prepare them.

He was fired, which was correct, and that should conclude it in THIS situation because no one - fortunately - was hurt. That doesn't let the driver off the hook nor does the driver have a legitimate lawsuit for anything.
 
Really? And you have been or were an officer for how long?

Nobody needs to have been a cop to see and understand what happened and who is at fault... the cop.
 
No you just went into how many cops you trained.

Laughing, more CON quibble, you are sticking with what you don't know! Can't debate the facts so you try to throw some dust to hide your lack of fact.

Facts, you know those things I use. Not non-sense statements like 'clearly aiming', or 'more strapping', or the cop was canned because the citizens demanded it.

Cop broke the rules for the use of deadly force and was canned. Doesn't matter if he was 'clearly' aiming at the tires, the brake light or the radio antenna...

Sort of difficult to train cops or the civilian concealed crowd without knowing a bit about deadly force- something you seem to lack/deny.

Oh FYI, unlike a different self proclaimed expert on all things firearm related- I used the word 'helped' in front of trained. Just for a bit of accuracy in at least one of your statements and a whole lot more accuracy compared to the marksmanship skills of the now fighting for his job New Mexico cop. :2wave:
 
Laughing, more CON quibble, you are sticking with what you don't know! Can't debate the facts so you try to throw some dust to hide your lack of fact.

Facts, you know those things I use. Not non-sense statements like 'clearly aiming', or 'more strapping', or the cop was canned because the citizens demanded it.

Cop broke the rules for the use of deadly force and was canned. Doesn't matter if he was 'clearly' aiming at the tires, the brake light or the radio antenna...

Sort of difficult to train cops or the civilian concealed crowd without knowing a bit about deadly force- something you seem to lack/deny.

Oh FYI, unlike a different self proclaimed expert on all things firearm related- I used the word 'helped' in front of trained. Just for a bit of accuracy in at least one of your statements and a whole lot more accuracy compared to the marksmanship skills of the now fighting for his job New Mexico cop. :2wave:

So you handed out pencils and got coffee. Got ya.
 
Nobody needs to have been a cop to see and understand what happened and who is at fault... the cop.

That is the standard non-argument argument. That only cops should decide on police policy and who cops get to shoot. He is rather open that his view is that police are our masters and should make and create whatever law any officer wants to at the moment. The concept that government employees including cops work for us, rather than they are our masters and we their peasants.

It would be like the bizarre claim that no one can credibly discuss rape or murder unless you've raped or murdered someone.

It also is probably lost to him that any person who has driven a carload of kids has just as much "experience" at this topic.

Mostly, police officers and the general public should be on the same page, rather than his it's us-cops vs them-people.
 
That is the standard non-argument argument. That only cops should decide on police policy and who cops get to shoot. He is rather open that his view is that police are our masters and should make and create whatever law any officer wants to at the moment. The concept that government employees including cops work for us, rather than they are our masters and we their peasants.

It would be like the bizarre claim that no one can credibly discuss rape or murder unless you've raped or murdered someone.

It also is probably lost to him that any person who has driven a carload of kids has just as much "experience" at this topic.

Mostly, police officers and the general public should be on the same page, rather than his it's us-cops vs them-people.

Agreed.

Now, I would not argue with a soldier about what combat is like, nor a teacher about what teaching a class is like or a fire fighter what fighting a fire was like if I hadn't experienced it. That is different. What we are free to do is to debate specific actions, policies and strategies. I can talk about drone usage even if I was neve a drone operator. What I can't/shouldn't do is talk about what it is like flying one or killing a person with one.

I would not talk about what it is like firing a weapon at a person or getting involved in a domestic incident. What I can do is discuss if a cop beats a man to death that simply shouted at his wife as being too much. I can talk about a teacher hitting a student.
 
So you think a 12 year veteran officer totally missed a van? From about 4 feet away?

From what I read, he completely missed. You read anything different from that? But I do understand your view that he was shooting for a tire, and I think you are right that was his goal. But he missed. If you miss a target the bullet doesn't just disappear. And he continued to fire as the vehicle rapidly pulled away too - not just at a few feet.
 
Fortunately he missed. I would think you had already read that.:roll:

Our cops seem to have the accuracy of Storm Troopers, which is why this officer firing at the van was such a shocking use of force and reckless endangerment to the passengers inside.
 
So you think a 12 year veteran officer totally missed a van? From about 4 feet away?

He did miss. Remember those New York City cops who shot at a fleeing suspect and only wounded innocent civilians around them? That's why cops need to be careful when discharging their weapons into crows or in the direction of innocents. Such as the children in this instance.
 
From what I read, he completely missed. You read anything different from that? But I do understand your view that he was shooting for a tire, and I think you are right that was his goal. But he missed. If you miss a target the bullet doesn't just disappear. And he continued to fire as the vehicle rapidly pulled away too - not just at a few feet.
Again, how about we just disarm all PDs to suit your opinion of cops.
 
Again, how about we just disarm all PDs to suit your opinion of cops.

Do you REALLY have that difficult a time looking at issues as have a gray scale? That everything isn't about absolutes? And that every topic about police isn't just declaring blind loyalty to every police officer in the entire country?

This is simple:
You don't shoot towards a vehicle having no clue who is inside, not knowing what is going on, and with no one in imminent danger.

This has nothing to do with disarming the police. It has to do with the protocol for using firearms.

How many people just on this forum for these type videos are posting they used to support the police, but now have serious reservations? Incidents like this do not help law enforcement.

I am serious in writing that you seem to see police officers as somehow other than everyone else. I see police officers as being part of the total fabric of our society and community - no more and no less than anyone else. In police situations they have the job and powers of their position, but also the restrictions. If they can't handle those restrictions, they are in the wrong line of employment.

You are increasingly sounding like the forum's member who advocates summary executions.

Unlike some, I'm NOT calling the officer a maniac, a criminal or any such thing. I think he was trying shoot out the tires and continued to fire as it raced away. He lost control of himself.
 
So you handed out pencils and got coffee. Got ya.

Laughing, well apparently what I did exposed me to far more information than your dabbling in this.

LEO have VERY clear rules for the use of deadly force

The Departments frown on discharging firearms at children, and the screams of the children were clear on the dash board vid.

Departments fire cops who disobey the rules for deadly force all the time.

No cop is 'strapped down' by this firing- this cop over stepped and was fired for it, not a new rule.

No Department will be further restricting the deadly force rules- might remind their Officers of the rules, but no new curtailment.

There hasn't been any 'public outrage' over this- not like Zimmerman or Wafer- no Sir, this was a pure and simple case of misuse of deadly force, handled like any other incident.

Face it, you know zip, tried to fly BS, and got called for it so the only option you had left was a personal attack....

You're keeping it classy... :2wave:
 
Again, how about we just disarm all PDs to suit your opinion of cops.

What a drama queen... :roll:

Why not have stricter consequences for police shootings that fail to be just, valid, logical, common sense, reasonable, etc.??
 
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