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50% of Americans want to legalize marijuana

Caine said:
This is true....But like I have stated... you have no way of knowing that the officer wouldn't have made a different type of arrest if he didn't have to deal with a pothead.
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I know what you're saying, but there is overwhelmingly more pot arrests than other kinds. Let's say that an officer misses out on 10 marijuana arrests and catches one extra person committing larceny it's still wasted money whether you made a few more arrests or not.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Arkansas, not NC. No big base or anything here.

The cop would be getting paid the same if he making a pot bust or if he's not.

cite, please.

That's really not how budgets are made. They aren't made on a per bust basis.

At best, if there was a significant drop in work load for several budget cycles, the town council or w/e may adjust the budget.
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I understand what you and Caine are saying in the short run, the cops would remain employed, but when people realize how much money is being utterly wasted budget is going to be cut eventually.

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No thanks.
 
Fleshofthegods said:
I understand what you and Caine are saying in the short run, the cops would remain employed, but when people realize how much money is being utterly wasted budget is going to be cut eventually.
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I don't think it would be wasted. There's plenty more things for them to be doing.
 
Caine said:
But coverage would still be required........

Would you feel safer that an advancement in home building technology increased fire safety and reduced the amount of active fires your fire department had to deal with by 10%, and because of this.... they reduced the manpower of your local fire deparment, including closing down the station closest to you, increasing the response time of the fire department by 20 minutes?
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Does that mean you think that there would have to be cops just sitting around waiting to arrest someone if they weren't out arresting pot dealers?
 
Fleshofthegods said:
I know what you're saying, but there is overwhelmingly more pot arrests than other kinds. Let's say that an officer misses out on 10 marijuana arrests and catches one extra person committing larceny it's still wasted money whether you made a few more arrests or not.
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Well then I guess I am a big waste of tax payer money, As I don't enforce marijuana laws because I believe it should be legal.
 
Fleshofthegods said:
I understand what you and Caine are saying in the short run, the cops would remain employed, but when people realize how much money is being utterly wasted budget is going to be cut eventually.

Price of Pot
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Maybe the public will be happy when the Police can better focus on the REAL problems in their community rather than the use of marijuana.
 
Caine said:
And what does that have to do with the use of public funds to fund the criminal justice system in the absence of the illegality of Marijuana?

If you are going to jump in head first, make sure you know what is being discussed at the moment instead of changing the subject.

What you are doing is akin to walking up to two guys talking about the shapes of different clouds and saying, "Leaves are Green and Rigid"
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Or perhaps it was a comment meant to redirect the conversation back to the OP re the legalization of marijuana.
 
Caine said:
Maybe the public will be happy when the Police can better focus on the REAL problems in their community rather than the use of marijuana.
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I know I'd be happier, maybe not the 50% that thinks that pot is the devil.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Does that mean you think that there would have to be cops just sitting around waiting to arrest someone if they weren't out arresting pot dealers?
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If you believe a police officer's job is just to arrest people.
 
Fleshofthegods said:
You're supposed to be. According to the feds
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I don't work for the Feds.

I work for the tax payers of my City to enforce the laws of the state as well as local ordinances, maintain public order, keep the peace, keep the roads safe, etc.

Under state law there are many offenses that I have discretion on whether or not to charge the individual involved, and some that I do not have any discretion.
Marijuana possession is an offense that I have discretion on whether or not to charge them. I do not often charge them, that is my choice.
 
samsmart said:
Because Republican politicians would demonize him for wanting to making little children addicts whose future will be ruined by taking one drag from a joint, and Republican voters would believe that.
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Well like I said some Republicans and by some I mean the TRUE Republicans believe in small government.
 
Caine said:
I don't work for the Feds.

I work for the tax payers of my City to enforce the laws of the state as well as local ordinances, maintain public order, keep the peace, keep the roads safe, etc.

Under state law there are many offenses that I have discretion on whether or not to charge the individual involved, and some that I do not have any discretion.
Marijuana possession is an offense that I have discretion on whether or not to charge them. I do not often charge them, that is my choice.
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Well then technically you're not doing your job/following the law.
 
Fleshofthegods said:
Well like I said some Republicans and by some I mean the TRUE Republicans believe in small government.
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Well...then just to slip that shoe on the other foot...why arent those 'true republicans' out there calling for the legalization of marijuana?
 
Fleshofthegods said:
They are they're called Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.
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2 out of...what...450 or so? And where is the legalization legislation? (Paul is a Libertarian BTW...he doesnt count).
 
Legalize it. Too many innocent people are hurt from such a non-threatening drug. Alcohol is far worse...
 
VanceMack said:
2 out of...what...450 or so? And where is the legalization legislation? (Paul is a Libertarian BTW...he doesnt count).
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There's a bill in congress right now it's called HR:2341. Ron Paul is a Libertarian but he's registered Republican.
 
Fleshofthegods said:
There's a bill in congress right now it's called HR:2341. Ron Paul is a Libertarian but he's registered Republican.
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He is only a registered republican because he cant win as a Libertarian. Sad, that. How many republicans do you believe will support the bill? The GOP holds a majority in the house...we should see this passed to the senate soon, yes? With so many of 'the people' favoring marijuana. (Just busting your balls...you DID after all bring up Obama...seems to me it should make it past your muster before you expect it to pass someone elses).
 
VanceMack said:
He is only a registered republican because he cant win as a Libertarian. Sad, that. How many republicans do you believe will support the bill? The GOP holds a majority in the house...we should see this passed to the senate soon, yes? With so many of 'the people' favoring marijuana. (Just busting your balls...you DID after all bring up Obama...seems to me it should make it past your muster before you expect it to pass someone elses).
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All I'm saying is that Obama is the president, and if he comes out and says that he wants it legalized it will happen one way or another. The GOP may hold the majority, but they're not the only ones in the house that doesn't mean that EVERY Republican doesn't support legalization I only know of two but I'm sure there are more than that.
 
Caine said:
For one... this money is spent on EQUIPMENT not PAY.

So, a department can get fancy new equipment afforded to them by asset forfeiture...... Equipment they otherwise would not have gotten, and would not be necessary.
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Often, that equipment is luxury items, not tools for actual police work.
 
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