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The real Che Guevara

These facts are simply skidded over by Che’s defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how he stood for "honesty" and "revolution". But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny, one that murdered millions of actual people. He was a cold-blooded psychopath. That is probably why the Left is so enamored of him. He represents all their darkest fantasies.
 
“This is the wonder of the revolution: Fifty years of state terror hasn't silenced the resistance. Maybe one day Hollywood will make a film about it.” - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, Hollywood Celebrates Che Guevara, WSJ.com.

Indeed they will. The time of reckoning is approaching, and at that time the sh_t will hit the fan and Che fans will have it all over their faces. Bon Appétit
 
Ciro Roberto Bustos, a committed Communist up to his death on January 1, 2017, who was Che's right-hand man in Argentina and Bolivia, in his book “Che Wants to See You”, said: “Guevara was in deed a 'synthesis of pathological sadism and fundamentalist extremism.” The French writer Regis Debray, author of "Revolution in the revolution", wrote about Che that: "He was adept of the totalitarianism up to the last body hair.” Che impulsive cruel behavior inflicted physical and psychological pain on others to assert his power. He literally interpreted the Marxism doctrine and engaged in arm struggle to enforce it.
 
Open letter to Carlos Santana
Che at the Oscars

Paquito D'Rivera - New York, March 25, 2005

Hola, Santana:

I found out, through our friend Raul Artiles, that you'll be performing in Miami soon; I find this rather ill-advised, since not too long ago you committed the faux-pas of appearing at the "Oscar Awards" ceremony, brandishing, with pride, an enormous crucifix over a tee-shirt with that archaic and stereotyped image of "The Butcher of the Cabaña," the moniker given to the lamentable character known as Ché Guevara by those Cubans who had to suffer his tortures and humiliations in that nefarious prison.

One of these Cubans was my cousin Bebo, imprisoned there just for being a Christian. He recounts to me on occasion, always with infinite bitterness, how he could hear, from his cell, in the early hours of dawn, the executions without prior trials or process of law, of the many who died shouting, "Long Live Christ The King!"

The guerrilla guy with the beret with the star is something more than that ridiculous film about a motorcycle, my illustrious colleague, and to juxtapose Christ with Ché Guevara is like entering a synagogue with a swastika hanging from your neck; it's also a harsh blow in the face of that Cuban youth from the 60's, who had to go into hiding to listen to your albums which the Revolution, and the troglodyte Argentinian and his cohorts, dubbed as "imperialist music" (i.e. Rock & Roll)

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I can't find all the words to express my indignation over your irresponsible attitude, but believe me that in spite of all, as an artist I always wish you luck. And you're going to need it, Carlos. specially in Miami!

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Sincerely:
Paquito D'Rivera
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Cuban Jazz musician Paquito D'Rivera in his letter to Santana in Spanish (the letter was translate into English), who played the son part of the soundtrack of the movie “The Motorcycle Diaries” that won an Oscar, and wore a crucifix an a shirt with the image of Che's face wrote: "My command of English wouldn't allow me to fully express my indignation" at your cheeky Oscar gig. The Motorcycle Diaries is another example of the attempts by the Left to rehabilitate Che criminal legacy as Fidel’s executioner.”
 
Those youth that played Santana music were among the “people who have committed crimes against revolutionary morals” and were confined in the first concentration camp established in Guanahacabibes Peninsula, Cuba, at the end of 1960 by Che Guevara without due process. Their “crime” involve laziness, long hair and playing loud music (Rock & Roll). Che, a butcher who was a humorless psychopath, was the talk of the town at the 2005 Oscars Academy Awards.
 
The lefties who attempt to present Che as a philanthropist of firm Christian values, the answer is given to them in this excerpt of the letter he wrote to his mother on July 15, 1956 from a Mexican prison: “I am not Christ nor a philanthropist, I'm quite the opposite of Christ, and philanthropy seems to me something of....(illegible word), I fight for the things I believe in with all the weapons at my disposal, and try to leave the other dead to avoid myself to be nailed to a cross or anything else.”
 
“The Motorcycle Diaries” movie screenplay based on Che’s diary “Notas de Viaje” (Traveling Notes) about his travel through Latin America, romanticized his figure and in order to make him more appealing, conveniently omitted these passages from the movie:

In February 1952 when Che Guevara and Alberto Granado arrived in Chile, they posed as medical specialists in leprology, obtaining an interview with a local newspaper where they are recognize as such. They become known for that newspaper article, availing themselves of said deceit to obtain free room and board. As Che wrote, “we were now ‘The Experts,’ and we were treated accordingly.” In this case like in others reported by him, his lack of honesty conducted him to defraud those who crossed his path.

In the port of Valparaiso, Chile, hopping to scheme a free trip aboard a ship to Easter Island, Che wrote: "Easter Island… there to have a white boyfriend is an honor for the females. There, work, what hope, the women do it all, and one eats, sleeps and keeps them content… What would it matter to remain a year there, who cares about studies, salary, family, etc.” This show his prejudice against women, a classic display of machismo.
 
Sandokan said:
These facts are simply skidded over by Che’s defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how he stood for "honesty" and "revolution". But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny, one that murdered millions of actual people. He was a cold-blooded psychopath. That is probably why the Left is so enamored of him. He represents all their darkest fantasies.
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Get real. The principle reason why Che is/was popular with the left in Latin America and with some in the US is that he left Cuba, where he could have had a plush job in the revolution, to go off to another idealistic fight to help hungry people. It doesn't excuse Che or Fidel's crimes, or leftists who might have had star in their eyes about the notion of Latin American revolutions -- easy to do when one saw the misery and horror the US created, supported and/or sustained in the region for much of the 20th century. The fantasies were not dark ones.
 
Nickyjo said:
Get real. The principle reason why Che is/was popular with the left in Latin America and with some in the US is that he left Cuba, where he could have had a plush job in the revolution, to go off to another idealistic fight to help hungry people. It doesn't excuse Che or Fidel's crimes, or leftists who might have had star in their eyes about the notion of Latin American revolutions -- easy to do when one saw the misery and horror the US created, supported and/or sustained in the region for much of the 20th century. The fantasies were not dark ones.
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I keep posting about Che in order than you and others learn the truth about him. This thread has so far 1208 replies and 158,755 views. I am providing you a link to an article which I recommend the reading, “Che Guevara: The Fish Die by the Mouth.” What better source than Che Guevara himself. This is a great article, concise and at the same time comprehensive. A lot has been written about Che, but I hadn’t seeing a compilation such complete and effective like this article.

Link: Cuba: Che Guevara: The Fish Die by the Mouth

Introduction

The saying “The fish die by the mouth”, refers to those who speak more than the necessary until being fooled by their own speech. Can his mythical reputation survive the publication of his own words?

The objective of this article is to expose the truth about Che, to demystify it in the face of those who feel admiration by this mass murderer, exposing the facts based on his writings, diaries, speeches, letters and conversations with those who knew him.
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Che description of the South American indigenous people is the opposite of his reaction shown in the movie "The Motorcycle Diaries." In page 116 of the diary he wrote: “The somewhat animal-like concept the indigenous people have of modesty and hygiene means that irrespective of gender or age they do their business by the roadside, the women cleaning themselves with their skirts, the men not bothering at all, and then carry on as before. The underskirts of Indian women who have kids are literally warehouses of excrement, a consequence of the way they wipe the rascals every time one of them passes wind.” This is an extremely racist view, to compere the behavior of indigenous people to those of animals.

In Caracas, Venezuela, after visiting a black neighborhood, Che wrote in his dairy: “The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese. The contempt and poverty unites them in the daily struggle, but the different way of dealing with life separates them completely; the black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.” His racism against black is make evident, a stereotypical remark about the superiority of white against blacks.
 
Che, in “Notas de Viaje”, wrote the following comment that he called “Notas en el Margen” : “…and I know, because I see it printed in the night, that I, the eclectic dissector of doctrines and psychoanalyst of dogmas, howling like possessed, will assault the barricades or trenches, will stain in blood my weapon and, mad of fury, will slit the throats of any defeated who fall into my hands… And I feel my nostrils dilated, savoring the acrid smell of gunpowder and blood, of dead enemy; now I tense my body, ready for the fight, and I prepare my being as a sacred place so that it resurrects with new vibrations and new hopes the bestial howling of the triumphant proletariat.” What a bloodthirsty person he was.
 
Che’s elevation as symbol of moral excellence, due to the self-indulgence and frivolity of pseudo revolutionaries, speaks clearly of their lack of critical objective analysis.

Hollywood infatuation with Che Guevara is addictive. This is another example of jumping the bandwagon on what’s currently popular, a money maker. It is incredible how little these people care or know about Che.

They are very fortunate to be able to withstand reality and live in a comfortable bubble where consequences seem almost non-existent. Their work often is proof of their near total detachment from the real world. And don't forget their hero Che killed people for the crime of being gay.

Che was just another narcissist using the same century’s old doctrine to justify mass murder and torture. What a pity that tolerant lefties in Hollywood don't share this view.
 
Whose enlarge photo of promoters of human rights would be posted next by Jean Ziegler, recipient of Qaddafi Human Rights Prize in 2002 and $100,000 award: Hitler, Staling, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Kim II-sung or Fidel Castro. After all, in 1998 Castro received the “Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights.” Ziegler joined the council in 2000 as a hunger expert, position created by Fidel Castro regime that year. Others recipients of the award are, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and Daniel Ortega.
 
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THE GLENN BECK PODCAST MAY 05, 2019

Félix Rodríguez | Episode 35

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Glenn talks with Former CIA operative Félix Rodríguez, who participated in the historic manhunt to capture Ernesto "Che" Guevara. Rodríguez who is a Cuban-American Vietnam veteran who fought in the Bay of Pigs invasion was recruited to train and lead a team to track down Guevara due to the fact that he had been instrumental in Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution. In this podcast, Félix gives a first-hand account of the capture and execution of the man whose image is still being appropriated as a counterculture fashion statement. He also provides great detail into the type of sick criminal that Guevara was as he not only killed many during his lifetime, but he greatly enjoyed it.
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Great interview with Félix Rodríguez by Glenn Beck. Félix, who was giving intelligence advice to the Bolivian army in the zone where Che was operating, participated in the capture of Che Guevara. He said that “eventually people will see what he really was. He was an individual with very little regard for life. He enjoyed killing people.”
 
Félix said that when captured Che was wounded on the right leg, and his goal was to save his own life, and added that “The soldier who captured him told me that when [Guevara] came face-to-face with the army, he told them, 'Don't shoot, I am Che. I am worth to you more alive than dead.”
 
Two more victims of Che Guevara: the brothers from Vertientes
On 50th Anniversary of Che Guevara's death

An unpublished revelation

This happened on a rice farm, “Arrocera El Cimarrón,” that I used to manage; it was south of the town of Vertientes, province of Camagüey, west of the “Altamira” farm. “El viejo Andrés” (old man Andrés), who told me this story was the caretaker at the farm; he was like my family and had been a sort of grandfather to my daughter, who was born while we lived there.

The armed revolution against Batista, led by Fidel Castro, was in full force. I had moved with my family from the rice farm to the “Lugareño” sugar mill, close to the port of Nuevitas, north of Camagüey. Fidel had ordered Che Guevara to march west. The march took him across the Birama Swamp and all along the south coast of Camagüey, considered “safe” terrain for moving his troops due its inaccessibility. The rice farm was in Che’s path and he set up his camp there for several days in September 1958 before pushing forward. The farm housed around 150 workmen---field and warehouse workers as well as office, machine shop, and grain elevator personnel.

Several weeks after the revolution rose to power, on January 1st 1959, “el viejo Andrés” showed up at our home at the sugar mill. He told me he had something confidential to tell me and after lunch, when we were alone, he related the following:
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After 60 years, we learn of another two people killed by Che Guevara. But beside the two brothers from Vertientes, Camaguey, he killed two other people, members of his troop, on the spot in Camaguey. One for taking a cigarette from another soldier of his troop, and the other for serving himself a plate of food before him. That may a total of 4 new victims. The number of his victims will continuous going up.
 
Che help Fidel Castro to take full control of Cuba by using terror through mass killing. Executions took place all over the island without any legal guarantees. The actual number of Che's victims may be known after the Castroit tyrannical regime is remove from power. In the meantime, the number of victims keeps piling up.
 
Move Over Colin Kaepernick—This NFL Star Wears Che Guevara Cleats
Move Over Colin Kaepernick—This NFL Star Wears Che Guevara Cleats

Humberto Fontova Posted: Dec 07, 2019 12:01 AM

“This week, the Seahawks are proudly showing off their game shoes for the NFL’s annual Week 14 My Cause My Cleats initiative. Players across the league will be wearing special shoes customized to causes and charities of their choices during games," The News Tribune reported. "(Defensive end) Quinton Jefferson’s have Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, Che Guevara and other revolutionaries stenciled into the side of his—drawn by King County teenagers rehabilitating from incarceration."

"It’s pretty cool that they were in touch with freedom fighters," Jefferson said. "So it was pretty dope.”

(I’m guessing the term “dope!” has morphed from its traditional meaning. But the traditional meaning fits ideally here.)

It was off-field, during a press conference denouncing the jailing of blacks, that black activist-quarterback Colin Kaepernick wore his t-shirt honoring the jailer and torturer of the longest-suffering black political prisoners in the Western Hemisphere.
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Che Guevara's crimes against humanity are well documented and yet Colin Kaepernick wore Che t-shirt during a press conference denouncing the jailing of blacks. Unbelievable, you can't make this stuff up.
 
Most young people do not know who Che Guevara was. He was “fanatical, dogmatic, spiteful, envious, arrogant, proud, a liar, racist, devoid of morals, mercenary and homophobic, a bloodthirsty murderer, ‘a cold killing machine’, that the fanaticism of the left has turned into a hero.” Simple minded people are drawn to him in order to fit in. The Left use peer pressure on young people as a way of controlling them. They are idealist and emotional persons, easy prey of the left.
 
This thread is 10 years old!

Looks like someone has the “Bump your own thread for eternity” award all sewn up.
 
calamity said:
This thread is 10 years old!

Looks like someone has the “Bump your own thread for eternity” award all sewn up.
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It is a "calamity" that after 10 years of this threat, there are still people that are drawn to Che Guevara. They will need an “eternity” to find out that he was a cold killing machine.
 
Smithsonian Magazine Sanctifies Che Guevara
Smithsonian Magazine Sanctifies Che Guevara

Humberto Fontova - Posted: Oct 26, 2019 12:01 AM

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“The image that lasted from the trip (to Cuba) was from the museum in Santa Clara, where the photograph showed Che Guevara smiling as he fed the baby Ernesto with a milk bottle.”

Aaaw….sniffle…sniffle. I’m telling you that Che Guevara was a veritable Mr. Mom, with shades of Ward Cleaver and Fred Mac Murray as Steven Douglas in "My Three Sons"!

You see, amigos: an author for Smithsonian.com recently went on a motorcycle tour of Cuba with Ernesto “Che” Guevara’s son Ernesto as tour guide. The passage above pretty much sums up the hard-nosed “insights” provided by the article.

“Santa Clara was the site of Che’s greatest victory during the Cuban revolutionary war of 1956-59,” the Smithsonian author writes about the utterly bogus Cuban guerrilla “war.” “It was then the crossroads of the island’s transportation system and a key strategic goal in the armed rebellion led by Fidel Castro against the U.S.-backed dictator Fulgencio Batista.

Consider that in an article written from and about a serious sh*thole of a Stalinist nation, whose article subject (Che Guevara) co-founded a regime that jailed and tortured political prisoners at a higher rate than Stalin’s during the Great Terror, and murdered more Cubans in his first three years in power than Hitler murdered Germans during his first six –consider that in such an article the word “dictator” only appears in relation to Cuba’s leader prior to the mass-torturing, mass-murdering Stalinist regime.
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It is very sad that the Smithsonian Magazine has become a mouthpiece of the left. Sponsoring a motorcycle trip though Cuba with Che’s son, and twisting the real facts about Che and glorifying him is pure propaganda.
 
For the lefties the intentions is what matter not the results. They look to find a good point and ignore the bad points. Beside most of their good points are not even real. For example they talk about the great healthcare in Cuba, and portray the medical facilities that serve the foreigners, members of the power elite and top military, an exclusive health care system which offers excellent medical care with the best resources and optimal conditions. This system is out of bounds for the common Cuban citizen. For them there are the filthy hospitals where they have to bring their own bed sheets, blankets, food and others basic necessities.
 
The regime inability is a result of the total failure of the totalitarian model, which is responsible for the increasing poverty and hardship of the population. It is commonly accepted the regime's economic disaster, lack of liquidity, productivity, the huge bureaucracy and corruption at all levels of government.

Of course for the Smithsonian all of this is irrelevant. For the Smithsonian Che Guevara “a cold killing machine motivated by hate”, the poster boy of the left is a saint.
 
About That Che T-Shirt
About That Che T-Shirt - Foundation for Economic Education

Think twice about adding a Che Guevara T-shirt to your Christmas giving this year.

Tuesday, October 8, 2019
Lawrence W. Reed

Let’s say that all you knew about Adolf Hitler was that he painted scenic pictures, postcards, and houses in Vienna, loved dogs and named his adorable German Shepard “Blondie,” and frequently expressed solidarity with “the people.” You might sport a T-shirt adorned with his image if you thought such a charismatic chap was also good-looking in a beret. But your education would be widely regarded as incomplete.

If you later found out that the guy on your T-shirt was a mass murderer, you might ask your oppression studies professor why she left out a few important details.

This hypothetical resembles a real-world phenomenon seen today on numerous college campuses. Fifty-two years after his demise in Bolivia—on October 9, 1967—the maniacal socialist Ernesto “Che” Guevara is still making headlines and spoiling perfectly good clothes.

In film and pop culture, Che comes off as an adventurous motorcyclist, a humble-living commoner, a romantic egalitarian revolutionary, and a swashbuckling sex symbol. His ghastly history as one of Fidel Castro’s favorite thugs routinely gets whitewashed because, in spite of all the murders, he supposedly had good intentions (read: hate the rich, concentrate power, eliminate dissent, help the poor by creating more of them).
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According to Ciro Bustos, Che’s right-hand man in the guerilla struggle in Argentina and Bolivia, in his book “Che Wants to See You”, Che Guevara was a “synthesis of pathological sadism and fundamentalist extremism.” He also said, “I saw one young guy in a Che T-shirt and I asked: 'Why have you got Che on you? Was it because he was a fighter?' He couldn't answer. It's just an image now. Nothing more.”
 
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