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The real Che Guevara

The Pope criticism of the Capitalist system should be balance by criticism of the Communist system. Capitalism, so far, had been the best system to mitigate poverty in the world, and has much better track record of human rights than other systems. Pope Francis evidently has not taking these factor into consideration. Capisce?
 
Pope Francis good intentions sometimes have negative consequences. Doing what he thinks is right, cause harm to those he is trying to help. His deference toward the Castroit regime is an example of it. He lack the appreciation that the regime is driven by envy and hate, not by love like the church.
 
Sandokan said:
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Che says enjoy your coffee and have a nice day
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I went to Cuba 6 years ago, and the one thing that struck me most was the amount of Che merchandise they were trying desperately and unsuccessfully to flog. There were Che hats, tee shirts, coffee mugs, and every other you-name-it you could imagine, but all of it seemed to stay on the shelves. I only saw a couple of people actually wearing that crap.
 
Fidel We need to save those poor slobs in Cuba from the U.S. backed tyrannical oppressor, and install our very own specialized form of oppression.

Che: Let's roll!
 
Sandokan said:
Pope Francis good intentions sometimes have negative consequences. Doing what he thinks is right, cause harm to those he is trying to help. His deference toward the Castroit regime is an example of it. He lack the appreciation that the regime is driven by envy and hate, not by love like the church.
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The church is driven by love? OK.
 
Note to UNESCO: Comandante Ernesto "Che" Guevara is Still Dead
Notes from the Cuban Exile Quarter: Note to UNESCO: Comandante Ernesto "Che" Guevara is Still Dead

Unfortunately, the United Nations is trying to promote his ideology using U.S. tax dollars
October 9, 2015

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Ideas have consequences and those ideas are sometimes represented by iconic images. This is the case with the image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the philosophy of political action that he advocated and that others seek to emulate. His claim to fame was the role he played along with Fidel and Raul Castro in installing a totalitarian communist regime in Cuba and attempting to spread this model using violent means in Africa and Latin America. Guevara was executed summarily on October 9, 1967 in La Higuera, Bolivia after he and his band of guerrillas were captured trying to overthrow the government there and install a Castro style regime. His is a legacy of blood and terror that should be lamented not celebrated.

However the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) doesn't see it that way and decided on June 18, 2013 to add “The Life and Works of Che Guevara” to the World Registrar. UNESCO is providing funds to preserve Che Guevara’s papers. Guevara in addition to promoting communist ideology, is best known as an advocate for guerrilla warfare who viewed terrorism as a legitimate method of struggle against an enemy. U.S. tax dollars are paying for some of this. As the world threatens to spiral down into more extreme violence, perhaps one should consider some of the messages UNESCO and U.S. tax dollars are paying for in promoting the writings of Mr. Guevara. The website I Hate the Media compiled ten quotes that reflect the overall thinking and legacy of the Argentine communist revolutionary.
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It is sickening what the UNESCO has done. It is making a mockery of its own principles. How is possible that this institution can idolize a murderous Che Guevara, in flagrant contradiction with its ideals of respect for human rights. This is an insult to the memories of those Che killed and sent to the concentration camps.
 
Che Guevara ignored many times the judicial process. These are some of his quotes:

“If in doubt, kill him” were Che's instructions. Che ordered the execution of a couple dozen people in Santa Clara. Among those executed were peasants who had joined the army simply to escape unemployment.

Chee gave the order to bring the 14 years old boy and ordered him to kneel in front of the wall at La Cabaña. The boy responded to Che: “If you're going to kill me you're going to have to do it the way you kill a man, standing, not like a coward, kneeling.”

Walking behind the boy, the Che said “whereupon you are a brave lad.” He upholstered his pistol and shot him in the neck killing him.
Che was a cold-blooded murderer who executed thousands without trial, who claimed that judicial evidence was an “unnecessary bourgeois detail.”

Che said: “I don't need proof to execute a man, I only need proof that it's necessary to execute him!”

Che told to Duke Estrada: “Our mission doesn’t consist in giving procedural guarantees to anyone, but to make the revolution, and we must begin by the same procedural guarantees.” Guevara's legacy and philosophy of hatred.
 
Che's legacy of relentless hatred is at the core of his philosophy. These are some of Che quotes:

In “Notas de Viaje” he wrote the following: “…I know, because I see it printed in the night, that I, the eclectic dissector of doctrines and psychoanalyst of dogmas, howling like possessed, will assault the barricades or trenches, will stain in blood my weapon and, mad of fury, will slit the throats of any defeated who fall into my hands.”

On December 10, 1953, he wrote to his aunt from San José, Costa Rica: “I have sworn before a picture of our old and mourned comrade Stalin that I won’t rest until I see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.”

In a letter to Hilda Gadea, his first wife, he wrote: “Dear Old Woman: Here in the Cuban jungle, alive and bloodthirsty.”

In a letter to his father he wrote: "I'd like to confess, papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing."

He told Sam Russell the British reporter of the socialist newspaper Daily Worker that “If the missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of U.S. including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must gain the ultimate victory. We must walk the path of liberation even if it costs millions of atomic victims.” He did not hesitate, in his deep hatred, in supporting the nuclear confrontation without given a damn that such action sealed the annihilation of the Cuban people and a large part of humanity, including of course all the personnel of the U.N. in New York.

In his "Message to the Tricontinental", April 16, 1967, he wrote: “Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.”

What a despicable human being he was. How can he be celebrated in any capacity?
 
Breathless for Che Guevara

Pity Che Guevara, the asthmatic.

by Rick Robinson
October 27, 2015 - 1:36 pm

Just like black, peg-leg jeans on new-age hipsters, Che Guevara never goes out of style for left-wingers.

It’s hard to understand the hero worship of a man who summarily killed thousands of Cubans following the ascension of Fidel Castro to power. Che pushed an agenda for people (especially youth) to put aside individualism and to think and act as a collective mass. Those who refused to conform were placed in concentration camps or killed.

But today, from red tee shirts emblazoned with his image to bearded plush dolls, the Butcher of La Cabana is placed on a pedestal by the left as a symbol for individualism and revolution.

This month lovers of freedom and liberty celebrated the anniversary of Che’s cowardly death in a Bolivian jungle. One would think American media would mark the milestone by chronicling Che’s murderous reign and imploring civilized society from ever letting such pure evil run amok again.
Time magazine did commemorate the day. But not quite how most would expect.

Time published an article titled – wait for it – “How Che Guevara Didn’t Let Asthma Affect His Ambition.”
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The Progressives idolize Che Guevara, a brutal murderer, a hoodlum, with no redeeming values whatsoever.

People like Che turn their country into a living hell, where people have no rights and are imprisoned for talking back. Maybe that’s why Progressives admire them. They wish they had that kind of power themselves.
 
Most of the people who praise Che know little to nothing about him. He’s more of an idea to them than a fact. They think he’s this guy who fought imperialism instead of Fidel’s executioner. A butcher who was a humorless psychopath.
 
Rick Robinson reveal the real Che Guevara, not “the fictional puppet that has replaced reality”, that the world's leftists keep celebrating and selling as the ultimate champion of a people's revolution
 
YAF Quiz: Who said it-Che Guevara or Hitler?
YAF Quiz: Who said it-Che Guevara or Hitler? - Red Alert Politics

By Ron Meyer | October 6, 2015
At most college campus, chances are you will see dozens of iconic Che Guevara shirts–many worn by professors.

But, do they really know who Che was? Was he a hero and a revolutionary? Or, was he a cold-blooded, anti-American mass murderer?
Young America’s Foundation is spreading the truth about Che on campus with their annual No More Che Day on October 9.

To encourage students to sign up for No More Che Day, YAF released a new quiz, “Who said it: Che or Hitler?”

When you finish the quiz, it says, “So before you buy that mass-produced counterculture Che tee… Ask yourself if you’d be as happy wearing a Hitler tee. Spread the word, and use the anniversary of Che’s death on October 9th to tell people the truth about Che.”
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His face is plastered on t-shirts, guitar amps, and fun little promotional item the world over. He’s been romanticized; revisionist historians have made a hero of him. He was anything but a killing machine.
 
Che actually said all of this crazy stuff. So before you buy that mass-produced counterculture Che tee shirt, ask yourself if you’d be as happy wearing a Hitler tee shirt. Spread the word, and use the anniversary of Che’s death on October 9th to tell people the truth about Che.
 
Sandokan said:
It is sickening what the UNESCO has done. It is making a mockery of its own principles. How is possible that this institution can idolize a murderous Che Guevara, in flagrant contradiction with its ideals of respect for human rights. This is an insult to the memories of those Che killed and sent to the concentration camps.
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The United Nations itself is a Communist organization. None of this should surprise you.

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SDET said:
The United Nations itself is a Communist organization. None of this should surprise you.

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No, the UN is not a "communist organization". The claim is ludicrous.
 
Why I Love Che Guevara T-Shirts
https://beinglibertarian.com/love-che-guevara-t-shirts/

John Engle, June 26, 2017

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In the long-run, capitalism will always triumph for one reason: It actually responds to people’s desires – even the people who call themselves enemies of capitalism and want to see it torn down.

My favorite case-in-point of this phenomenon is the famous and ubiquitous Che Guevara t-shirt.

Spend some time walking down a major city street anywhere in the country, or stroll through a college campus on a summer day, and you are bound to see some guy or gal sporting the likeness of the famous communist revolutionary. Che has been an enduring symbol for leftist activists, despite his bloodthirsty record of violence and inhumanity.

I’ve heard plenty of libertarians and other advocates of liberty lament the continued popularity of Che’s image; they list off his atrocities and hideous social views with aplomb.

But anger at the endurance of the Che t-shirt misses a crucial point: That it represents the ultimate power of capitalism.
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Che became a pop culture icon, the patron saint of progressives who wear his picture. Among them, he became a symbol of countercultural rebellion against capitalism. But in an ironic twist of history, Che owes his posthumous pop culture success to old-fashioned property rights.
 
Those who buy a Che shirt what are you endorsing? Capitalism, one of the many things Che was fighting against. By plastering his face on every piece of merchandise imaginable they have completely gone against his socialist beliefs. Wearing Che T-shirts is a tacit acknowledgement of capitalism's triumph over socialism.
 
Sandokan said:
Those who buy a Che shirt what are you endorsing? Capitalism, one of the many things Che was fighting against. By plastering his face on every piece of merchandise imaginable they have completely gone against his socialist beliefs. Wearing Che T-shirts is a tacit acknowledgement of capitalism's triumph over socialism.
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Why do you suppose so many tourists visit his tomb in Santa Clara? Even though I have passed by it, the only reason I would want to visit the property is to urinate on it.
 
SDET said:
Why do you suppose so many tourists visit his tomb in Santa Clara? Even though I have passed by it, the only reason I would want to visit the property is to urinate on it.
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That is a good reason. But I do not believe his remains are entomb there. The Castroit regime had not allow to conduct DNA testing of the remains.
 
Che’s elevation as symbol of goodness, due to the self-indulgence and frivolity of pampered pseudo revolutionaries, speaks clearly of their lack of critical objective analysis. Few remember the ruthlessness with which he condemned many bourgeois enemies and some of his own rebel friends to death.
 
Che Guevara the Failure and Fraud Exposed at YAF Seminar
Che Guevara the Failure and Fraud Exposed at YAF Seminar - Humberto Fontova

Humberto Fontova |
Posted: Jul 11, 2016 12:01 AM

Next week the YAF (Young America’s Foundation) kicks off their rollicking Road to Freedom seminars at their headquarters in Virginia. Attendees “will be introduced to works of intellectual leaders such as—Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises, among others—who influenced President Reagan and the largest peacetime expansion of the economy in American history.”

In addition to this invaluable instruction (or reminder) of the historic role of free-markets with human freedom and of socialism with slavery, this year’s event will feature a methodical, merciless (and hilarious) “deconstruction” of the world’s top symbol of socialism: Che Guevara.

In keeping with the “deconstructor’s” traditional modus operandi and “lecture” style, the fans and acolytes of this worldwide symbol of socialism are also in for some slicing and dicing.
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Great accomplishments of Che Guevara: A racist that held blacks in contempt, a homophobic gay basher, anti-Semite, oversaw execution squads, burned book, had contempt for women and for those who listened to rock music. Many lefties considered him a secular saint, someone to be revered and emulated.

Excerpt from Che Guevara: The Fish Die by the Mouth: “They will be then the new men; fanatics, liars, assassins and failed men, reaching the total realization of being like Che.”
 
On January 26, 1959, one of Che's first acts was, under his direct order, to send four men armed with machineguns in a truck of the seventh military regiment and break into the office of journalist and anti-communist activist by the name of Salvador Diaz-Verson. They took and burn on the street in front of the building 3,000 books, pamphlets and files in his library. This criminal act was reported by foreign newspaper correspondents in Havana the following day. His motive was to destroy the files of Cubans communist activities throughout Latin America.

According to the Spanish writer Juan Goytisolo, in 1964 el Che visited the Cuban embassy in Algiers, and when he saw a volume of Virgilio Piñera’s “Teatro completo” there, he hurly it against a wall and said to the ambassador Serguera : “How dare you have in our embassy a book by this foul fagot!” Another example of Che’s homophobia and censorship. Virgilio was a playwright, poet and essayist that because of his homosexuality was ostracized by the Castroit regime.
 
Che was a energetic leader... that is a good quality.
 
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