The real Che Guevara

Fearandloathing said:

Reputations are meaningless in this day and age.

Look, there are a dozen + posts calling him various murderous names, but NOT ONE thread of a source or even quotations from people who knew him


That tells me the whole thread is bait & bullshit

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uptower said:

Are you trying to tell us Guevara was a communist revolutionary?

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Nickyjo said:

And the reason he his admired by some is not because he may have admired Stalin, but because -rightly or wrongly- he could have had a cushy existence in Cuba, but decided to go and fight fir what he perceived as justice in the second poorest country in the hemisphere.

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POSTED BY JOHN SUAREZ | OCTOBER 9, 2022

"I'd like to confess, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing." Ernesto "Che" Guevara, in a letter to his father after executing an unarmed man.

Che Guevara executed for trying to overthrow Bolivian govt on October 9, 1967
Ideas have consequences and those ideas are sometimes represented in iconic images. This is the case of the image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and his toxic philosophy of political action that others seek to emulate. He embraced hatred and dehumanization of the other as the means to carry out what he thought necessary actions.

“Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary.”

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Che Guevara was a cold-blooded psychopath. That is probably why the Left is so enamored of him. He represents all their darkest fantasies.

Guevara's claim to fame was the role he played alongside Fidel and Raul Castro in installing a totalitarian communist dictatorship using violent means, including terrorism, in Cuba then attempting to spread this model using violent means to Africa and Latin America. His efforts failed.

Castro executed thousands of Cubans, locked up hundreds of thousands of Cubans, built a police state, with the assistance of the KGB and the East German Stasi, and imposed revolutionary terror to consolidate power. Credible and conservative estimates of the Castro regime’s death toll against Cuban nationals ran from 35,000 to 141,000, with a median of 73,000. In the beginning executions were televised in Cuba to terrorize the populace.

Che Guevara addressing the United Nations on December 11, 1964 did not mince words: "We must say here something that is a well-known truth and that we have always asserted before the whole world: executions? Yes, we have executed people; we are executing people and shall continue to execute people as long as it is necessary. We know what the result of a losing battle would

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Mao Ze Dong caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people in his communist project through famine and mass executions. He is the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century, and someone Guevara stayed allied to, even after the Castro regime cooled relations with Beijing siding with Moscow.

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by Tom Rogan, National Security Writer & Online Editor |

October 09, 2017 03:58 PM

This is worth noting because Monday is the 50th anniversary of Guevara's death.

Consider the Che's life story.

In his early years, Guevara seemed genuinely moved by the injustices visited upon the rural peoples of South America. Unfortunately, he took his righteous anger and translated it into a pursuit of perpetual war. Cuba was his first major adventure.

As soon as Castro's revolution had been effected, Guevara became the proud servant of communist moral delusion. Acting as Castro's Treasury Secretary, Guevara ignored the failures and associated moral hardships his collectivist policies imposed. But like Napoleon the pig, Guevara was convinced of his own innate better-knowledge. In Cuba, Guevara's economic leadership would set the tone for the horrors yet to come.

That's important to note, because Guevara's Cuba period is that most idolized by his fans. Yet the history shows that Guevara in Cuba wasn't a Robin Hood for the people, but rather, an ideological fanatic. Indeed, the Latin American Nikita Khrushchev was determined to one-up the Soviet overlord. When Khrushchev removed nuclear warheads from Cuba and ended the Cuban Missile Crisis, Guevara was furious: he hated America and would never yield to compromises for peace.

This evil fanaticism to a broader point: Guevara may have been a psychopath.
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Sandokan said:

Communism is a totalitarian movement that seek to exterminate whoever stands in their way in the name of socio-economic equality. One way or another, the shallow graves get filled.

Months after the world came perilously close to a nuclear holocaust in October 1962, Che Guevara was disappointed. The Argentine declared in November 1962: "What we affirm is that we must proceed along the path of liberation even if this costs millions of atomic victims.”

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Juks said:

To be fair (and I am not pro-Cuban, but right should be right) before Fidel Castro and the revolution, 95 % of the people where starving big time. They had no access to electricity. Corruption was double the one in Russia of today. Unemployeement enourmous, those who had jobs had to except levels for wages equal to those in 1910. Demonstrating students and workers where systematically killed. Trade union premises were occupied. Opposition( mostly communists) and union leaders where systematically murdered. The rest (5%) living in luxury though... The corruption was enormous much worse than the one in Russia of today. Infront of the 1952 elections, the Orthodox Party (in which Fidel Castro was a member) was on its way to a certain victory. But the election never took place. With US support, Batista staged a military coup in March 1952.

And yes, the US has since the occupation (1902) very much been the reason for Cubas demise and developement. US companies looted Cuba, within the economic agreements concluded between the United States and its puppet regimes on Cuba (the 5% that had good living standards, or in more modern terms, the Cuban oligarchs...)). In the 1920s, the United States controlled almost the entire Cuban economy. Companies such as United Fruit heavily exploited the island for export crops, sugar, tobacco and bananas. The distortion of the country's economy was driven to such an extent that, despite agriculture being the main industry, large quantities of food had to be imported. USA monopolies not only owned sugar mills, oil refineries, banks, small industries, telephone and electric grids, but the US embassy was also the one that effectively controlled the court, government and president. This neo-colonialism differs from the old colonialism mainly in that the exploited country, Cuba, itself was forced to bear the costs of the oppressive apparatus and staff it. For Cuba, this meant that the countryside was underdeveloped, and that prostitution and gambling flourished in Havana and elsewhere where crime, mafia rule and racial discrimination thrived.

So to all the 5% relatives, who now live in the US where they fled during the revolution, and who still justify the impoverishment, exploitation and theft from the Cuban people and think they should be entitled to the loot they didn't manage to take with them on the run to USA, I say Fxxx you…claiming the loots of murderers and bandits

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Juks said:

To excuse the total brutality of the US and the US-backed dictatorship by accusing those who responded to it with some brutality of their own is just so provocative.

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What the tourists didn’t see, or didn’t want to, was the underclass, people of poverty like the macheteros — sugarcane cutters — who worked only during the four month season, and the rest of the year were unemployed and angry.

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The Havana high life before Castro and the Revolution, 1920-1950 - Rare Historical Photos

Cuba's reputation as an exotic and permissive playground came to light in the 1920s, when the country became a favorite destination for robber barons and bohemians.

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Sandokan said:

Here is Che recounting the execution of Eutimio Guerra for betraying the Cuban revolution: “I fired a 32 caliber bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain which came out through his left temple. He moaned for a few moments, then died.”

The world is better without him around, and would have been much better if he had been taken out sooner. Che only lived long enough to slay a few thousand, but his followers still are at it.

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In 1967 Gary Prado Salmón led a military operation in Bolivia, backed by US secret service agents, that defeated a communist insurrection organised by Che Guevara.

At the time Bolivia had a right-wing military government.

An army officer executed Argentina-born Guevara a day after his arrest.

The Cold War between the US and Soviet Union was at its height and Washington was extremely concerned about communist influence in Latin America, including Che Guevara's activities.

He had left Cuba after the triumph of the 1959 revolution there, to lead guerrilla movements in other countries. He was a key ally of Cuban communist leader Fidel Castro and became a hero for communists worldwide.

Gen Prado's son described his father as "an extraordinary person", who left "a legacy of love, integrity and courage".

The Bolivian officer who shot and killed Che Guevara was Mario Terán, who died last year.
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spud_meister said:

anyone that doesn't realise he did lead bloody revolutions is a fool anyway, it doesn't make a difference.

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Date: June 17, 2022

Antonella Marty | Associate Director at the Center for Latin American at Atlas Network

This week 94 years ago, Che Guevara was born. And, for many Americans, his birthday is an annual cause for celebration.

On college campuses, his face is a more common sight than Ronald Reagan or even John F. Kennedy. Even more common are the tributes to Che's supposed altruism and compassion, penned by those who share his communist sympathies. As one British union official recently wrote in U.K.-based Tribune Magazine, "[He] committed his life to the cause of the oppressed—and in the process, became one of the twentieth century's most influential figures." Che's writings, according to his union allies, reveal "charm and tenderness, as well as an absolute political commitment to finding out how we can win, and keep, a world run by and for the people."

That's one way of putting it. But the real Che is far, far removed from the figure romanticized by the radical left. I was born in the same city as Che—Rosario, Argentina, also the birthplace of Lionel Messi—and his worldview is hardly a myth to people from Rosario. We feel like we know Che personally, so it's easy to demystify his political views. It's easy to expose the myth that has become Che Guevara.

First and foremost, Che Guevara was a cold-blooded communist, who found an ally in Cuban revolutionary Fidel Castro. In 1955, he met Castro in Mexico City, joined his 26th of July Movement, and eventually became a high-ranking government official in the new regime. Che served as both president of the national bank and later as the country's minister of industries, tightening Castro's grip on Cuba's entire economy.
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Geo Patric said:

i do not really believe that anyone is a 'different race' because race is myth. it has no standing aside from our wish to believe that people that do not look like we do must be fundamentally different. they are not.

yes, i know that Guevara had Irish heritage. So do I. So does the fella in the ugly caricature that i posted. che was argentinian, spanish and irish.

that was the point. white? depends on whom you ask. he did not look like an ape. and if it is your wish to NOT seem like a racist you would be well advised to abjure the tactics of racism.

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Date: June 17, 2022

Antonella Marty | Associate Director at the Center for Latin American at Atlas Network

This week 94 years ago, Che Guevara was born. And, for many Americans, his birthday is an annual cause for celebration.

On college campuses, his face is a more common sight than Ronald Reagan or even John F. Kennedy. Even more common are the tributes to Che's supposed altruism and compassion, penned by those who share his communist sympathies. As one British union official recently wrote in U.K.-based Tribune Magazine, "[He] committed his life to the cause of the oppressed—and in the process, became one of the twentieth century's most influential figures." Che's writings, according to his union allies, reveal "charm and tenderness, as well as an absolute political commitment to finding out how we can win, and keep, a world run by and for the people."

That's one way of putting it. But the real Che is far, far removed from the figure romanticized by the radical left. I was born in the same city as Che—Rosario, Argentina, also the birthplace of Lionel Messi—and his worldview is hardly a myth to people from Rosario. We feel like we know Che personally, so it's easy to demystify his political views. It's easy to expose the myth that has become Che Guevara.
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