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The real Che Guevara

The results of Che's utopian agenda aren't much to admire either. As author Paul Berman explained in 2004 in Slate, "The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster."

The miserable Argentine was killed in 1967 in the Bolivian Andes while trying to spread revolution in South America. But his vision of how to govern lives on in the Cuba of today. It is a slave plantation, where a handful of wealthy white men impose their "morality" on the masses, most of whom are black and who suffer unspeakable privation with zero civil liberties. - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, Hollywood Celebrates Che Guevara, WSJ.com, December 29, 2008
During a 1959 press conference Luis Pons, a prominent Cuban black, asked Che Guevara, what the revolution planed on doing to help blacks. Che answered: “We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”No doubt whatsoever, a racist guy to the core.
 
You are exactly right about El Che. He was a murderer. It is interesting how so many maggot-infested hippies still hold him up as an icon.

The Motorcycle Diaries is another example of the attempts by the Left to rehabilitate this criminal's legacy. In it, a young Che travels the S.A. continent with his Sancho Panza-like side-kick. He is almost Christ-like in his virtue and literal inability to even utter a falsehood. What a crock of crap. Robert Redford can't hide his true colors with that one.
 
You are exactly right about El Che. He was a murderer.

I can't believe liberals believe it's okay for a group to kill people in order to implement their economic system of choice.
 
There is something rich about the supposedly hip, countercultural Hollywood elite making common cause with Cuba's privileged establishment in 2008. Its victims -- artists, musicians, human-rights activists, journalists, bloggers, writers, poets and others deprived of freedom of conscience -- would seem to deserve solidarity from their brethren living in freedom. Instead, the ever-so avant-garde Soderberghs side with the politburo.

The Cuban regime loves its apologists. They give cover and deflect international criticism while at home the regime brutalizes its people. Reports from the island are that since Raúl took over from Fidel in 2006, the repression has gotten worse.

Oswaldo Payá, leader of the Varela Project, which collected more than 11,000 signatures calling for free elections and civil liberties in 2002, says that in recent months there has been a crackdown, "with a fierce persecution against Varela Project activists, other members of the opposition, and the ongoing scandal of not freeing the prisoners of conscience." - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, Hollywood Celebrates Che Guevara, WSJ.com, December 29, 2008
They think he's this guy who fought imperialism instead of Fidel's executioner. A butcher who was a humorless psychopath. Fidel's crew are what happens when terrorists win. They turn their country into a living hell, where people have no rights and are killed or imprisoned for talking back. Maybe that's why some leftists admire them. They wish they had that kind of power themselves.
 
Among Castro's captives is Oscar Elias Biscet, an Afro-Cuban doctor who is renowned for his commitment to peaceful resistance and is serving a 25-year sentence. Fifty-eight journalists, writers and democracy advocates rounded up in March 2003 also languish in Fidel's deplorable jails. The total number of political prisoners is not known but is undoubtedly much higher.

State security and rapid-response brigades -- aka thugs paid to rough up dissidents -- have been fully employed this year. But, despite the terror and the threat of imprisonment, the Cuban spirit still struggles for freedom.

At least five resistance publications now circulate in eastern Cuba. Thirty-two-year-old blogger Yoani Sánchez has been warned to keep quiet, but she still chronicles the ridiculousness of Che economics, giving a voice to ordinary Cubans who live lives of desperation. The Ladies in White -- wives, sisters and mothers of prisoners of conscience -- still walk quietly in Havana on Sundays. Rock bands mock the old dictator.

This is the wonder of the revolution: Fifty years of state terror hasn't silenced the resistance. Maybe one day Hollywood will make a film about it. - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, Hollywood Celebrates Che Guevara, WSJ.com, December 29, 2008
Indeed they will. The time of reckoning is approaching, and at that time the **** will hit the fan and Che fans will have it all over their faces. Bon Appétit
 
I can't believe liberals believe it's okay for a group to kill people in order to implement their economic system of choice.

Wait didnt Che use the same standard of trial of the Nuremberg trials? Oh wait he did!
 
During a 1959 press conference Luis Pons, a prominent Cuban [Afro-Cuban], asked Che Guevara, what the revolution planed on doing to help blacks. Che answered: “We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”No doubt whatsoever, a racist guy to the core.

Need a source for this. I only get secondary sources when I google. Especially given that one of Che Guevara's closest associates in the Cuban "revolution", Juan Almeida, was an Afro-Cuban, so it wouldn't make much sense.

You are exactly right about El Che. He was a murderer. It is interesting how so many maggot-infested hippies still hold him up as an icon.

I can honestly say I've never encountered a hippie who holds up Che as an icon.

The Motorcycle Diaries is another example of the attempts by the Left to rehabilitate this criminal's legacy.

Yes, a movie is some sort of conspiracy by the global communist movement as opposed to filmmakers wanting to cash in on a long-running fad.
 
Paquito D'Rivera, famous Cuban jazz musician, wrote this letter to Mayor Bloomberg with regard to Che Guevara Statue located in New York’s Central Park. He never received a response from the Mayor office. He ask us to feel free to make it public.

January 5-2009

Dearest Mayor Bloomberg:

In the mid fifties, still a young child, my father came home with a fabulous Benny Goodman LP, recorded live at Carnegie Hall in 1938. Ever since I’ve dreamed to be a working musician in the city of New York. What I never, ever dreamed, not even in my wildest nightmares, was that after having to join two million Cuban exiles in 1980, I was going to see a sad statue of Che Guevara, a couple of blocks away from the glorious sculpture of Cuban National hero Jose Martí at New York’s Central Park.

“The butcher of La Cabaña fortress”, as was the nickname of this lamentable Argentinean character, Guevara ––a self proclaimed enemy of the USA–– was responsible for countless murders and abuses in my homeland as well as in other countries, where he tried to impose totalitarian regimes by the law of his guns. So, although I heard that the ridiculous Spanish made sculpture is meant to be just temporarily at the spot on 60th street and 5th avenue, that doesn’t mean it had be less offensive than having a Stalin monument in Orchard Beach, a Hitler portrait on the walls of Carnegie deli, or a representation of a man in KKK’s macabre rope next to the Duke Ellington’s memorial in Harlem.

So I really hope that you feel some respect and compassion for your many Cuban supporters and sympathizers, and remove ASAP such an anachronistic an insulting image from the surface of our beloved City.

Always with the same appreciation.

Sincerely:

Paquito D’Rivera
 
In a famous speech in 1961, Che Guevara denounced the very “spirit of rebellion” as “reprehensible.” “Youth must refrain from ungrateful questioning of governmental mandates,” commanded Guevara. “Instead, they must dedicate themselves to study, work and military service.” “Youth,” wrote Guevara, “should learn to think and act as a mass.”

“Those who choose their own path” (as in growing long hair and listening to “Yankee-Imperialist” Rock & Roll) were denounced as worthless “roqueros,” “lumpen” and “delinquents.” In his famous speech, Che Guevara even vowed “to make individualism disappear from Cuba! It is criminal to think of individuals!” - Murder & Myth The Truth Behind The T Shirt by Humberto Fontova
Well, the youth in the island nowadays show their “spirit of rebellion” by growing long hair, listening to Rock & Roll and questioning the regime mandates. They act as individuals. This guy failed in practically everything.
 
By the mid ’60s, the crime of a “rocker” lifestyle (blue jeans, long hair, fondness for the Beatles and Stones) or effeminate behavior got thousands of youths yanked out of Cuba’s streets and parks by secret police and dumped in prison camps with “Work Will Make Men Out of You” emblazoned in bold letters above the gate and with machine gunners posted on the watchtowers. The initials for these camps were UMAP, not GULAG, but the conditions were quite similar. - Murder & Myth The Truth Behind The T Shirt by Humberto Fontova
If the regime repressive apparatus found that you have Beatles records or that you listen to their music, they will send you to the UMAP.
 
anyone that doesn't realise he did lead bloody revolutions is a fool anyway, it doesn't make a difference.

revolutions are usually made with blood

it is revolution ,not election:lol:
 
Ignorance, of course, accounts for much Che idolatry. But so does mendacity and wishful thinking, all of it boosted by reflexive anti-Americanism. The most popular version of the Che T-shirt, for instance, sports the slogan “fight oppression” under his famous countenance. This is the face of the second in command, chief executioner and chief KGB liaison for a regime that jailed political prisoners at a higher rate than Stalin’s and executed more people in its first three years in power than Hitler’s executed in its first three years in power than Hitler executed in his first six. - Murder & Myth The Truth Behind The T Shirt by Humberto Fontova
If you're going to wear a T-shirt with someone's image on it, it seems like you should know more about the real person whose image you're sporting (and therefore sponsoring), like, say, Che Guevara.
 
The truth about Che Guevara. Know anyone wearing one of those t-shirts? You might want to show this to them.

Clip taken from Glenn Beck's documentary "The Revolutionary Holocaust- Live Free.. or Die"
 
The truth about Che Guevara. Know anyone wearing one of those t-shirts? You might want to show this to them.

Clip taken from Glenn Beck's documentary "The Revolutionary Holocaust- Live Free.. or Die"


:lamo:lamo
Coming from the guy who claimed Obama is a socialist, communist, Marxist, fascist. Why should i even watch this on Che?
 
The documentary "The Revolutionary Holocaust- Live Free.. or Die", is a good video with an excellent message. Che, Mao, Stalin, Hitler. What do they all have in common? They are all cold hearted, racist, killing machines. Che like any other communist leader, killed people who believed in simple freedom. Overthrowing one dictatorship to replace it with another is not heroic.
 
It would take sixteen hours to even begin to inventory the problems of Steven Soderbergh’s “Che,” a bad movie about a bad guy, the Argentine Ernesto “Che” Guevara. The “Roadshow Edition” that I endured at the Nuart Theatre in Los Angeles, clocks in at 4 hrs, 23 minutes in length. The film is divided into two overlong parts, the first dealing with the Cuban Revolutionary War, the second dealing with Guevara’s Bolivian disaster.

An hour of this movie is tedious; four hours of it sends one into a coma deeper than that of Fidel himself. The guy sitting behind me at the Nuart who, judging from his intermission cell-phone conversation is an enthusiastic Che lover, snored during Che’s Bolivian martyrdom. So historical questions aside, does the movie succeed as entertainment? No. It bores. - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
Che, parts one and two doesn't say anything particularly interesting or contain any memorable moments. The fact is that we learn next to nothing about Cuba.
 
Let me say some nice things about the film. There is some lovely cinematography. There are nifty opening graphics of a map pointing out the various provinces of Cuba, although when the graphics re-appear after intermission and proceed to point out every single country in South America, it feels like a fourth grade geography lesson. Soderbergh seems to think that his audience is composed of idiots. I’m finished being nice, by the way. - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
Soderbergh, on the DVD make the remarks that all he was interested in doing was getting the film made. Sorry, but you have to make something that people want to watch, not just walk away.
 
Benicio Del Toro, a talented actor, is miscast as Ernesto Guevara; he has none of the cocky swagger and sarcastic humor of the real Che. He looks chronically depressed throughout the film. No one would follow Del Toro’s Che, except to a pharmacy to make sure he refilled his Zoloft.

At times the other actors, who unlike Del Toro are portraying Cubans, don’t even seem remotely Cuban; at other times the attempts of these same actors to behave and sound Cubanazo, chico, are hokey and forced. - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
The music was simply awful, long passages of random noise just got in the way of what little development and action that might be occurring on screen. The dialog was similarly inept. Although better in the first movie, by the time the second rolls around, what little dialog is left, it is really a wooden dialog.
 
But “Che” fails on a much deeper level. It attempts to depict actual historical events, the effects of which still play out today and affect millions of people. Does the movie tell the truth? It barely even tries. It is in this failure to connect with historic truth that the film sinks from being a mere failure to being an ugly lie.

Che, a dramatized documentary of such sanitized material that it quickly becomes, and remains, an exceedingly boring watch. No matter del Toro's acting, the script is devoid of any real insight into Che.- “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
Certainly it is sanitizes, they omitted all the "inconvenient truths" about his life from the script.
 
In an interview, Soderbergh quoted Che’s Castro-approved biographer Jon Lee Anderson as saying, “there are a million Ches. He means something different to everyone.” This is not only wrong, it is nonsense, and it perfectly sums up the kind of divorced-from-reality magical thinking that plagues Hollywood today and results in so many bad movies. There are a million STORIES about “el Che,” but there was only one living, breathing Ernesto Guevara. - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
Che Guevara, the one and only, the butcher of la Cabaña.
 
The documentary "The Revolutionary Holocaust- Live Free.. or Die", is a good video with an excellent message. Che, Mao, Stalin, Hitler. What do they all have in common? They are all cold hearted, racist, killing machines. Che like any other communist leader, killed people who believed in simple freedom. Overthrowing one dictatorship to replace it with another is not heroic.

choosing the most biased and over the top source i see.
 
Pre-Revolutionary Cuba is predictably presented in this film as a screamingly poor, fifth-world country. It seems that every other character is illiterate. People who were there remember it differently, and United Nations statistics from the period tell a different story: Cuba was in fact the fourth most literate country in Latin America. “A people that don’t know how to read and write are an easy people to fool,” scolds Del Toro, index finger in the air. Ironic, that, considering how the Castros have always used the written word to fool people in Cuba and all over the world, via surrogates like Anderson, who blandly parrot the official version of Cuban history. - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009
Cuba has had one of the most literate populations in Latin America well before the Castroit regime came to power. The national illiteracy rate was 18% in 1958, ranking third in Latin America. The female percentage, in relation to the total student population, was the highest in the Western Hemisphere including the US. The United Nations Statistics Division yearbook of 1959 shows Cuba having 3.8 university students per 1,000 inhabitants, well above the Latin America median of 2.6. Cuban’s texts books were exported to several Latin American countries, bringing in 1958 $10 million in revenue.

In 1958 Cuba’s healthcare indicators ranked first in infant mortality rate (13th lowest in the world), and second in beds and physicians per inhabitant. The mortality rate was the third lowest in the world.
 
At the end of the first half of the film, Che orders a rebel to return a red convertible the rebel has plundered. Che was not a plunderer, you see. Even if this incident is factually true, its inclusion in this film is a lie, because the film neglects to tell us that shortly after the war, Guevara moved into an extravagant beachfront mansion in Tarara, a few miles outside of Havana (after kicking out the previous owner). In March of 1959, Che lamely explained in a letter to future exile Carlos Franqui, then editor of the newspaper Revolucion, that “I am ill…due to my revolutionary work…Doctors advised a house at a distance (from Havana), so as to avoid too many visitors and I was lent this one by the Ministry of Property Recovery…” - “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy by Joe Lima, Big Hollywood, Jan. 01, 2009.
“Rodriguez had brought back some personal relics from his trip, among them one of several Rolex watches found in Che’s possession” ('Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life', Jon Lee Anderson, 1997, p. 741).

Che owned several Rolex, the leading name in luxury wrist watches, the ultimate symbol of capitalism and bourgeoisie enterprise,
 
Soderbergh is a very talented movie director. But talk about overconfidence. He's become embarrassing in his self indulgence. I think some in Hollywood love the idea of a radical who can "fight the system". That's basically how they see it. Most of the people who praise Che know little to nothing about him. He's more of an idea to them than a fact
 
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