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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    2/3 of the voters believe they elected the right person
    why are you opposed to democracy
    2/3rds of the people decided that it wasn't worth ending up in a dungeon to take a stand in a rigged election.

    Why do you support starvation.

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    Of all the many times that the United States has militarily intervened against the government's of Latin American countries, not once have they ever succeeded in making the situation better than it was before. In fact it usually becomes worse. This will be no different. Americans don't play kingmaker for the sake of starving Venezuelans, but for the sake of their own power and influence.
    You are not supposed to tell such truths here

    There are many that believe the US government and the elites that it serves actually care for the plight of Venezuelans , Nicaraguans , Guatemalans , Chileans , Panamanians, Salvadoreans , Argentinians etc etc........... they just ignore the crimes of the death squad / human rights violation governments they install there and support elsewhere around the globe.

    The Venezuelans should be able to sort themselves out with the majority of the country NOT wanting outside military forces to interfere regardless of who they prefer to run the country. That Guaido is disregarding this , seeing as I can't believe he is unaware of the sentiment , and seeking to **** on Venezuelan democratic preferences to use the US or other foreign fighters to ride into power shows his contempt for democracy, as we already knew when he never contested the election and after it ( and a phone call from the US ) declared himself president of the country no less

    How people here can still support this US puppet and use the plight of the Venezuelan people as an excuse for it , whilst completely disregarding their feelings about foreign intervention , only shows their own lack of integrity and awareness of the historical record that you have referred to
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    BTW _ Your source is suspect.
    Says the man that uses CAMERA , MEMRI , the IDF blog etc etc

    Your entire commentary here is suspect and just sounds like it falls out of the state department offices regardless of what is under discussion

    You only want to see anti Maduro sources being referred to because you have this penchant for echo chambers that confirm your biases. Makes me wonder why you joined a debate forum in the first place
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    VenezuelaAnalysis was founded by Greg Wilpert, a dedicated Chavista. It has also received funding from the Venezuelan government (Ministry of Culture).
    I know , so what ?

    Look at the US MSM coverage of this affair and see that they spout the pro government view for free because they are corporate owned

    What you are complaining about is a standard feature of virtually every one of your own posts/thread starters.

    You are complaining about people hearing/reading the other side of the story
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So Venezuelans want Maduro out...

    We already knew that.
    Some do and some don't

    What they don't want , regardless of who they support , is the US or anyone else threatening to or carrying out an intervention. You and others here seem to want to ignore that whilst waxing lyrical about democracy and the wishes of the Venezuelan people in an obviously hypocritical/arrogant way
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The UN human rights commissioner said this about the election, "this does not in any way fulfill minimal conditions for free and credible elections"
    Do you think he regards Guaido's announcement that he is the president as more democratic ?

    So you care what the UN thinks ? Okay , let's run with that for a moment

    here's what the UN stated about the situation in Venezuela in a report by Alfred de Zayas


    Quote Originally Posted by UNSRTV
    A former United Nations rapporteur has criticised the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he claimed was the real reason for the economic and humanitarian crisis facing the country.

    Alfred de Zayas, who last year became the first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years, also suggested in his recently published UN report, that US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

    Mr De Zayas, an American lawyer, writer, historian and former secretary of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC), presented his Venezuela report to the HRC in September
    Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Translation: State-run media.
    Very reliable
    Your own media has been found to be peddling lies about events and the situation in Venezuela some of which have been outed here on this subforum but I don't see you haviing anything to say about its reliability

    Recall your own media sold you the government line about WMDs in Iraq so you would go there and and destroy the place. Have you forgotten that already ? How they bombed out any and all that opposed the war like Phil Donahue , Jesse Ventura and others

    They have also had balls to sell you a Russia stole your election conspiracy theory for the last 2 years ,duping half the country into believing that it was only a matter of time before Trump would be led out of the White House in chains Only to actually make him pretty much bullet proof

    They're the people you deem to be reliable ? lol

    There is another side to this story than the one we see in the MSM of our countries ( which are also biased ) and people like you just don't want to see it
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Yes, the Venezuelan people want Maduro gone. Funny how you seem desperate to ignore that fact.
    Maybe because it's NOT a fact

    Some of them do and some of them don't is the more accurate assessment but you don't care about accuracy, you just peddle whatever the US government line is regardless of the facts because you are compelled to for personal reasons

    My view is and always has been that the Venezuelan people ALONE should be supported and assisted to sort their problems out between themselves , free from US ( or any other ) military threats or sanctions. The article shows that that is the view of most Venezuelans too which is something you have been careful to ignore in your now well known and constant resort to outright projection
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if that were actually true, then why did they only recently elect him with 2/3 of the votes rather than the other candidates
    The poster you are replying to cares nothing about the truth bubba but only promoting the US governments position
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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    Re: Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Funny how much of a mandate one can grant oneself when one has gangs of thugs willing to machine gun anyone who votes the "wrong" way.
    You have repeated this claim twice now without having the nuts to cite anything to support it.

    You need to provide evidence that " gangs of thugs " were " willing to machine gun anyone who votes the "wrong" way "

    Both Chavez and Maduro governments have failed to diversify the economy and made some poor decisions. There may be some on the take too. But to not factor in the US economic warfare against Venezuela as a big factor in the current situation there is just an exercise in self deception , at which you seem to excel , it being something of a necessity for you


    But hey, maybe the people of Venezuela enjoy not having any basic necessities like food or toilet paper due to Maduro's stupidity [/QUOTE]
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

    There are no victories, in all our histories , without love

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