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Venezuelan government and opposition reportedly headed to Norway for talks

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Venezuelan government and opposition reportedly headed to Norway for talks

The Venezuelan government and opposition have sent envoys to Norway to attend talks on ways of ending the South American country's crisis.

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5/16/19
BERLIN — After months of protest and a failed opposition attempt to overthrow Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, government and opposition representatives headed to Norway for talks on Wednesday, multiple media outlets reported. It was unclear whether representatives of both sides would meet directly, or whether Norwegian officials would serve as intermediaries to explore possible resolutions for the crisis in Venezuela. Venezuela’s opposition claims that Maduro’s election last year was illegitimate and has called on him to step aside. Reuters and the Associated Press quoted anonymous officials and the opposition as saying that representatives have already traveled to Norway for the talks. While not mentioning any negotiations specifically, Maduro acknowledged in televised remarks Tuesday night that Information Minister Jorge Rodríguez has embarked on a “very important” trip abroad. A spokesman for Norway’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it would not comment on or confirm any talks.

The moves last week appeared to signal a possible crackdown by Maduro’s socialist government, but talks in Norway may indicate that neither side currently believes it is capable of winning. One reason for that could be the stance of the United States, which has repeatedly suggested that opposition leader Guaidó’s arrest would be a red line for the Trump administration. The Trump administration has pursued a confrontational approach and has pondered the use of military force as an option. But President Trump himself appears to have grown more wary of whether an intervention in Venezuela would be the right strategy, as the Venezuelan socialist government does not pose a direct threat to the United States and is being backed by Russia. With Washington reluctant to risk direct involvement, Venezuela’s opposition has recently begun to discuss alternatives to a government overthrow, including the possibility of forming a joint administration with Maduro officials. Behind the scenes, foreign backers of the opposition have worked to arrange talks between the two sides to defuse tensions.
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It seems very possible that both sides now realize Venezuela cannot long endure its current stasis and the political impasse must be ameliorated.

Related: Venezuelan Government, Opposition Head to Talks in Norway
 
Maduro leaves, transitional gov't takes over, free & fair elections follow.
Pretty simple really.
 
Roadvirus said:
Maduro leaves, transitional gov't takes over, free & fair elections follow.
Pretty simple really.
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Roadvirus:

Not so simple at all. In free and fair elections the Chavistas or other socialists will likely win. Leopoldo Lopez and Juan Guaido know this and thus will not accept truly free and fair elections. They want time to suppress Chavismo and to stack the electoral board and Supreme Tribunal of Justice to assure that "democratic" elections go their way by banning popular leftist parties and candidates, by excluding the democratically powerful poor from voting through complex and expensive voter re-registration and by gerrymandering the electoral districts of Venezuela. That is why the opposition has repeatedly said it will not respect the Venezuelan constitutional requirement to hold an election within 30 consecutive days of Maduro stepping down should that ever happen. They claim they will need more time to reengineer the Venezuelan body politic.

Now what is simple is that John Bolton and other regime-change Warhawks misled the gullible US President about how robust the support for an all Venezuelan solution was in Venezuela and how the Maduro Regime would topple like a house of cards under pressure from the US and its allies in the Lima Group and further afield in favour of a popular political opposition which is anything but popular.

John Bolton and his ilk should be fired from the Administration before they pull the US into another debacle in Iran, or Cuba, or Syria or North Korea.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Roadvirus:

Not so simple at all. In free and fair elections the Chavistas or other socialists will likely win. Leopoldo Lopez and Juan Guaido know this and thus will not accept truly free and fair elections. They want time to suppress Chavismo and to stack the electoral board and Supreme Tribunal of Justice to assure that "democratic" elections go their way by banning popular leftist parties and candidates, by excluding the democratically powerful poor from voting through complex and expensive voter re-registration and by gerrymandering the electoral districts of Venezuela. That is why the opposition has repeatedly said it will not respect the Venezuelan constitutional requirement to hold an election within 30 consecutive days of Maduro stepping down should that ever happen. They claim they will need more time to reengineer the Venezuelan body politic.

Now what is simple is that John Bolton and other regime-change Warhawks misled the gullible US President about how robust the support for an all Venezuelan solution was in Venezuela and how the Maduro Regime would topple like a house of cards under pressure from the US and its allies in the Lima Group and further afield in favour of a popular political opposition which is anything but popular.

John Bolton and his ilk should be fired from the Administration before they pull the US into another debacle in Iran, or Cuba, or Syria or North Korea.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Guaido is a Socialist, so as long as people in Venezuela have to eat less of an excrement sandwich, he will likely be satisfied. There will be no settlement unless it's one that keeps Maduro in power.
 
SDET said:
Guaido is a Socialist, so as long as people in Venezuela have to eat less of an excrement sandwich, he will likely be satisfied. There will be no settlement unless it's one that keeps Maduro in power.
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SDET:

Popular Will is socialist in name only. It's policies track as centrist to right wing. Lopez, who founded the party in 2009 is definitely not a socialist and Guiado is a centrist for political positioning purposes only. Popular Will is socialist like the DPRK is democratic.

Oh, and the DC Venezuelan Embassy thing is going about as well as the rest of the Venezuelan debacle with the DC police delivering false warrants and retreating with their tails between their legs when the protesters' lawyers pointed that out. Sometimes legal warrants are not legal at all and sometimes parties claiming to be socialist are anything but socialist. Just ask Anton Drexler and Adolf Hitler about how socialist their little political baby was.

The "opposition" in Venezuela led now by Juan Guaido are wolves in sheep clothing pitted against the coyotes (of the Roadrunner fame) in the Maduro Regime. Venezuela is stuck with self-interested predators at both poles of this political crisis and both groups will torpedo the will of the vast majority of Venezuelans to be rid of both extremes.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
Not so simple at all. In free and fair elections the Chavistas or other socialists will likely win. Leopoldo Lopez and Juan Guaido know this and thus will not accept truly free and fair elections. They want time to suppress Chavismo and to stack the electoral board and Supreme Tribunal of Justice to assure that "democratic" elections go their way by banning popular leftist parties and candidates, by excluding the democratically powerful poor from voting through complex and expensive voter re-registration and by gerrymandering the electoral districts of Venezuela. That is why the opposition has repeatedly said it will not respect the Venezuelan constitutional requirement to hold an election within 30 consecutive days of Maduro stepping down should that ever happen. They claim they will need more time to re-engineer the Venezuelan body politic.
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There could be no "democratic" election in Venezuela as long as Maduro's FAES death squads and his motorcycle gang "Colectivos" have free reign. An election would also have to be administered/monitored by the UN and international groups such as the OSCE.

Evilroddy said:
Now what is simple is that John Bolton and other regime-change Warhawks misled the gullible US President about how robust the support for an all Venezuelan solution was in Venezuela and how the Maduro Regime would topple like a house of cards under pressure from the US and its allies in the Lima Group and further afield in favour of a popular political opposition which is anything but popular.
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Bolton didn't have far to go to convince Trump. Trump has latched on to Maduro as his "socialist bogeyman" for instilling fear in the hearts of Americans through equivalence, ergo Maduro = the American left.

Evilroddy said:
John Bolton and his ilk should be fired from the Administration before they pull the US into another debacle in Iran, or Cuba, or Syria or North Korea.
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On this we agree. Bolton is a menace to peace. About his only positive is that he is not in love with Putin as is Trump.
 
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