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In Venezuela’s Thug State, Even the Morgues Don’t Work

Fledermaus said:
You apparently have issues with RVs freedom of speech.

To the point of calling him criminal.
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Not at all , if he wants to use his freedom of speech to put up masses of pro US FP propaganda threads that are intended to serve as justifications for what are actually crimes he is free to do so.... and I am free to call him out on them. FWIW I don't actually he him as an aider and abetter , just a cheer leader which is AFAIK not a criminal offence

Now we have cleared that up we can all move on , or you can stay here complaining
 
oneworld2 said:
Not at all , if he wants to use his freedom of speech to put up masses of pro US FP propaganda threads that are intended to serve as justifications for what are actually crimes he is free to do so.... and I am free to call him out on them. FWIW I don't actually he him as an aider and abetter , just a cheer leader which is AFAIK not a criminal offence

Now we have cleared that up we can all move on , or you can stay here complaining
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For someone with issues with other people's grammar.... Nah. Let's leave that.

How exactly does an RV post "aid and abet" your imaginary crimes?
 
Fledermaus said:
For someone with issues with other people's grammar.... Nah. Let's leave that.

How exactly does an RV post "aid and abet" your imaginary crimes?
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I haven't mentioned anything about peoples grammar so I don't see why you have brought it into the conversation. I don't have issues with it either the content is vastly more interesting than petty quibbles about grammar

The slightly erred post you replied to stated that I saw RV as a cheer leader not really an aider and abetter but your conditions don't allow you to let things like that sink in

The crimes I refer to are not imaginary , they are enshrined in international law as crimes
 
oneworld2 said:
I haven't mentioned anything about peoples grammar so I don't see why you have brought it into the conversation. I don't have issues with it either the content is vastly more interesting than petty quibbles about grammar

The slightly erred post you replied to stated that I saw RV as a cheer leader not really an aider and abetter but your conditions don't allow you to let things like that sink in

The crimes I refer to are not imaginary , they are enshrined in international law as crimes
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A lot of typing.

No answer.

How does RV's post "aid and abet" any real or imagined crime?
 
Fledermaus said:
A lot of typing.

No answer.

How does RV's post "aid and abet" any real or imagined crime?
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wow you really are compromised, so I will just repeat it again hoping that it might just sink in this time .You really do have amazing powers of obtuseness !!

oneworld2 said:
stated that I saw RV as a cheer leader not really an aider and abetter but your conditions don't allow you to let things like that sink in

The crimes I refer to are not imaginary , they are enshrined in international law as crimes
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oneworld2 said:
wow you really are compromised, so I will just repeat it again hoping that it might just sink in this time .You really do have amazing powers of obtuseness !!
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The question was HOW.

HOW does a post by RV "aid and abet" crimes real or imaginary in Venezuela?

HOW. By what means?

You claimed he aided and abetted. How?
 
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Fledermaus said:
The question was HOW.

HOW does a post by RV "aid and abet" crimes real or imaginary in Venezuela?

HOW. By what means?

You claimed he aided and abetted. How?
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I'd also appreciate it if he would explain that smear to me.
 
oneworld2 said:
You have no idea what socialism even entails yet you blindly equate Venezuela to socialism because some of the leadership/most of the leadership over the past 20 years have been socialists.

Clue, Venezuela has never been and continues not to be a socialist state. It's crime is to have used some of the money generated from its resources to actually help raise many Venezuelans out of abject poverty. As a Tumpster I don't expect you to have any time for the poor of Venezuela or to have any idea about socialism itself and I will bet you won't disappoint me on either
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Hate to break it to you bud but it's looking like Maduro's stupidity has caused far more Venezuelans to slide back into poverty than ever before.

But considering that you'd rather Venezuelans starve to death than receive aid I'm not surprised you'd grasp at any and every straw.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hate to break it to you bud but it's looking like Maduro's stupidity has caused far more Venezuelans to slide back into poverty than ever before.

But considering that you'd rather Venezuelans starve to death than receive aid I'm not surprised you'd grasp at any and every straw.
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The only thing you " break " to people , with stunning and predictable regularity , is your complete and utter submission to and regurgitations of your own state propaganda.

If you were genuinely concerned about the plight of Venezuelans , which you are not but just interested in cheering for another US regime change crime , you would condemn the devastating effects of the US sanctions that are exacerbating an already bad situation.

I gave something of a short list of the blocking of money for medicine and food etc etc caused by them here in a thread you AFAIR haven't responded to , shock horror. Best to avoid the obvious US propaganda contradiction wrt Venezuela sufferings , I understand your position, I just have zilch respect for it , or you for that matter
 
Rogue Valley said:
I'd also appreciate it if he would explain that smear to me.
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Easy and HTH

The US actions against the government are crimes. Did you get that ? CRIMES

And you have , as you always do , peppered the forum full of threads about how everything is down to the Maduro government in Venezuela which is something of a misrepresentation of the facts. That misrepresentation is aimed at garnering support for the illegal US actions being taken against the country. So , you are playing your part in trying to get people , by using US propaganda tomes , to support illegal actions.

You do it with Syria , you do it with Russia and you are doing it here with Venezuela. No doubt in the future you will do it with Iran because it's what you do.

Now , seeing as I have explained the " smear " maybe you can furnish me with an answer about whether or not you get paid for spreading US propaganda or whether it's done due to a watery eyed love of the nation
 
oneworld2 said:
The only thing you " break " to people , with stunning and predictable regularity , is your complete and utter submission to and regurgitations of your own state propaganda.

If you were genuinely concerned about the plight of Venezuelans , which you are not but just interested in cheering for another US regime change crime , you would condemn the devastating effects of the US sanctions that are exacerbating an already bad situation.

I gave something of a short list of the blocking of money for medicine and food etc etc caused by them here in a thread you AFAIR haven't responded to , shock horror. Best to avoid the obvious US propaganda contradiction wrt Venezuela sufferings , I understand your position, I just have zilch respect for it , or you for that matter
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In other words “waah! I hate that people point out the blinding flaws in my mindless support for thugs like Maduro who are deliberately causing extensive suffering to their own people! I’m going to cry about “propaganda” now to excuse my actions! Waah!”

Yes, yes, we all know how you weep into your Saddam blankie every night. That’s not an excuse or a justification for the fact that Maduro is the one desperately trying to keep aid away from his own people.

Venezuela was already going down the toilet long before the sanctions ramped up due to A) the Maduro regime’s incredibly stupidity and B) the Chavez regime’s total failure to craft a way to keep the economy from remaining totally dependent on oil prices.

Given your usual stupidity and blithering it’s entirely possible I got bored listening to your shrill hystetua, but, by all means, feel free to back that claim up.


Yes, I’m sure you don’t. After all, you are a CTer, and CTers can’t handle dealing with people who don’t buy into your fairy tales.
 
Tigerace117 said:
In other words “waah! I hate that people point out the blinding flaws in my mindless support for thugs like Maduro who are deliberately causing extensive suffering to their own people! I’m going to cry about “propaganda” now to excuse my actions! Waah!”

Yes, yes, we all know how you weep into your Saddam blankie every night. That’s not an excuse or a justification for the fact that Maduro is the one desperately trying to keep aid away from his own people.

Venezuela was already going down the toilet long before the sanctions ramped up due to A) the Maduro regime’s incredibly stupidity and B) the Chavez regime’s total failure to craft a way to keep the economy from remaining totally dependent on oil prices.

Given your usual stupidity and blithering it’s entirely possible I got bored listening to your shrill hystetua, but, by all means, feel free to back that claim up.


Yes, I’m sure you don’t. After all, you are a CTer, and CTers can’t handle dealing with people who don’t buy into your fairy tales.
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Awww you got triggered because I once again highlighted your complete submission to the state narrative/propaganda system. It's even so pervasive in your thinking ( term used in most loosest fashion ) that even now you cannot acknowledge that the US driven sanctions are pouring petrol on the flames bringing misery to the Venezuelan people. Maybe you should send the military in and liberate thousands of them from from life itself as you have done elsewhere , all for their own benefit of course :roll: How any wet dreams would you have if that were the case ?


Your " getting bored " isn't being bought here. The problem for you is that you subject yourself hook line and sinker to only referencing information given out by US leadership/elites/security services/complicit MSM etc so anything out of that narrative is cast off as " fairy tales " in true Ostrich style and thus your childish rants/name callings are based in projection.

My claims have already been backed and your ignorance of them is your own affair. You can look at the threads I have put up here recently that put the meat on the bones of my claims or not. I care not because you will never accept anything outside of the state propaganda narrative flooding out of the US elites and their media co conspirators. It's like a fundamentalism akin to the radical Islamist or Christian right in the US.

You are a lost boy , just accept your fate as that and don't expect anyone to take you seriously over ANYTHING to do with the crimes of the US empire.
 
oneworld2 said:
Easy and HTH

The US actions against the government are crimes. Did you get that ? CRIMES

And you have , as you always do , peppered the forum full of threads about how everything is down to the Maduro government in Venezuela which is something of a misrepresentation of the facts. That misrepresentation is aimed at garnering support for the illegal US actions being taken against the country. So , you are playing your part in trying to get people , by using US propaganda tomes , to support illegal actions.

You do it with Syria , you do it with Russia and you are doing it here with Venezuela. No doubt in the future you will do it with Iran because it's what you do.

Now , seeing as I have explained the " smear " maybe you can furnish me with an answer about whether or not you get paid for spreading US propaganda or whether it's done due to a watery eyed love of the nation
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The US actions are crimes according to whom?

And how does an RV post "aid and abet" those actions?
 
Fledermaus said:
The US actions are crimes according to whom?
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International law wrt the UN Charter

Read up about threats to other nations , read up about interfering in another states affairs. Read up about trying to force your way through someone elses border against the wishes of the government there. You seem to recognize it well enough with Israel but not with Venezuela because you are a complete hypocrite

RVs onesided propaganda ridden input is trying to justify the crimes being committed by the US against Venezuela .

Mark my words , he will be talking about the situation in Lebanon the none too distant or Iran. But you won't mind because you will be doing the same thing yourself
 
oneworld2 said:
International law wrt the UN Charter

Read up about threats to other nations , read up about interfering in another states affairs. Read up about trying to force your way through someone elses border against the wishes of the government there. You seem to recognize it well enough with Israel but not with Venezuela because you are a complete hypocrite

RVs onesided propaganda ridden input is trying to justify the crimes being committed by the US against Venezuela .

Mark my words , he will be talking about the situation in Lebanon the none too distant or Iran. But you won't mind because you will be doing the same thing yourself
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You keep babbling about laws being broken... Which laws?

And you keep pinballing about the whole "aid and abet" thing. You still haven't explained HOW a post on this forum "aids and abets" your claimed criminal actions.

Perhaps you need to read up on "freedom of speech".... This isn't Venezuela, or Syria or any o her nation that jails people exercising free speech. ( I would add Russia, but they just kill errant journalists.)
 
Fledermaus said:
You keep babbling about laws being broken... Which laws?

And you keep pinballing about the whole "aid and abet" thing. You still haven't explained HOW a post on this forum "aids and abets" your claimed criminal actions.

Perhaps you need to read up on "freedom of speech".... This isn't Venezuela, or Syria or any o her nation that jails people exercising free speech. ( I would add Russia, but they just kill errant journalists.)
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The freedom of speech stuff was dealt with in this vert thread ages ago , he has it and so do I , unfortunately so do you

See the UN Charter about threatening other sovereign states and acting to initiate regime change

Again if it were Israels border that were being forced open by a phoney " aid " convoy you would be crying foul. You don't do it with Venezuela because you are a hypocrite of the highest order
 
oneworld2 said:
The freedom of speech stuff was dealt with in this vert thread ages ago , he has it and so do I , unfortunately so do you

See the UN Charter about threatening other sovereign states and acting to initiate regime change

Again if it were Israels border that were being forced open by a phoney " aid " convoy you would be crying foul. You don't do it with Venezuela because you are a hypocrite of the highest order
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More prattle.

No actual answers.
 
oneworld2 said:
Awww you got triggered because I once again highlighted your complete submission to the state narrative/propaganda system. It's even so pervasive in your thinking ( term used in most loosest fashion ) that even now you cannot acknowledge that the US driven sanctions are pouring petrol on the flames bringing misery to the Venezuelan people. Maybe you should send the military in and liberate thousands of them from from life itself as you have done elsewhere , all for their own benefit of course :roll: How any wet dreams would you have if that were the case ?


Your " getting bored " isn't being bought here. The problem for you is that you subject yourself hook line and sinker to only referencing information given out by US leadership/elites/security services/complicit MSM etc so anything out of that narrative is cast off as " fairy tales " in true Ostrich style and thus your childish rants/name callings are based in projection.

My claims have already been backed and your ignorance of them is your own affair. You can look at the threads I have put up here recently that put the meat on the bones of my claims or not. I care not because you will never accept anything outside of the state propaganda narrative flooding out of the US elites and their media co conspirators. It's like a fundamentalism akin to the radical Islamist or Christian right in the US.

You are a lost boy , just accept your fate as that and don't expect anyone to take you seriously over ANYTHING to do with the crimes of the US empire.
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Yes, you certainly highlighted the fact that you wouldn't know a fact if one came up and bit you on the ass. I'll give you a hint..... screaming "you are all indoctrinated! I'm the only one who can see the truth!" is not an argument and just makes you look like a narcissistic joke. Which, to be fair, you are.

Yes, the sanctions are making life unhappy for drug dealers like Tariq el Aissami. The ordinary Venezuelan people had already been tossed into a pit and then stomped on repeatedly by your hero Maduro and the rest of his idiotic cronies years before.

Yes, your constant unsubstantiated ravings and ranting are extremely boring, and every time I read one of your posts I always wonder why I bother debating unhinged anti-American fanboys for every dictator who comes along. You have yet to make a single valid point or claim in the entire time I've seen your rants; they can be safely sums up as you screaming "big meanie US" as you huddle in your parents' basement.

So in other words you can't do it. I figured as much. Expecting honesty from someone like you is like expecting the sun not to rise. Your threads have see you exposed and humiliated over and over again, yet your pathological hatred keeps you from handling that fact.

Your fantasies really are pathetic.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, you certainly highlighted the fact that you wouldn't know a fact if one came up and bit you on the ass. I'll give you a hint..... screaming "you are all indoctrinated! I'm the only one who can see the truth!" is not an argument and just makes you look like a narcissistic joke. Which, to be fair, you are.

Yes, the sanctions are making life unhappy for drug dealers like Tariq el Aissami. The ordinary Venezuelan people had already been tossed into a pit and then stomped on repeatedly by your hero Maduro and the rest of his idiotic cronies years before.

Yes, your constant unsubstantiated ravings and ranting are extremely boring, and every time I read one of your posts I always wonder why I bother debating unhinged anti-American fanboys for every dictator who comes along. You have yet to make a single valid point or claim in the entire time I've seen your rants; they can be safely sums up as you screaming "big meanie US" as you huddle in your parents' basement.

So in other words you can't do it. I figured as much. Expecting honesty from someone like you is like expecting the sun not to rise. Your threads have see you exposed and humiliated over and over again, yet your pathological hatred keeps you from handling that fact.

Your fantasies really are pathetic.
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I am the one providing the facts and you are the one calling names lol but of course you think your contribution has more veracity to it. There are plenty of facts contained in the threads I have put up here and there are plenty of facts debunking parts of the US propaganda narrative you're compelled to support in your emotional need to see yourself on the right side of everything lol

The truth is you are just a state department parrot supplying endless apologetics for crime after crime , atrocity after atrocity committed by the US . You bemoan Israeli actions against the Palestinians whilst remaining silent that it is the US alone that is making it all possible for them. You turn blind eyes to all of the despotic and dictatorial leaderships around the world that are supported and backed by the US in a true support for despots and dictators that you them try to project onto others in a childish and wholly transparent way thinking people are foolish enough not to notice.

Tip for you , Guaido never had any election support/mandate whilst Maduro had 31 % of those eligible to vote , the same as Obamas second term IIRC . So when you call someone a dictator that has around 1/3 support from the electorate but support Guaido, a man that didn't even run for office in those elections and just announced himself as the leader, you are just showing yourself up as a complete fool , which although might have escaped your notice is giving me a proper laugh at this end.

Like the US or a US citizen parroting the state dept line can call out anyone allegedly involved in the international trafficking of drugs :lamo

They did Noriega for drugs trafficking when he was on the CIA payroll and paid known drugs traffickers during the Contra attack on Nicaragua with money allegedly set aside for " humanitarian assistance " . Listening to you is like listening to Trump trying to berate someone over alleged misogyny :doh

The only one being humiliated is yourself by yourself , so keep up the good work
 
oneworld2 said:
I am the one providing the facts and you are the one calling names lol but of course you think your contribution has more veracity to it. There are plenty of facts contained in the threads I have put up here and there are plenty of facts debunking parts of the US propaganda narrative you're compelled to support in your emotional need to see yourself on the right side of everything lol

The truth is you are just a state department parrot supplying endless apologetics for crime after crime , atrocity after atrocity committed by the US . You bemoan Israeli actions against the Palestinians whilst remaining silent that it is the US alone that is making it all possible for them. You turn blind eyes to all of the despotic and dictatorial leaderships around the world that are supported and backed by the US in a true support for despots and dictators that you them try to project onto others in a childish and wholly transparent way thinking people are foolish enough not to notice.

Tip for you , Guaido never had any election support/mandate whilst Maduro had 31 % of those eligible to vote , the same as Obamas second term IIRC . So when you call someone a dictator that has around 1/3 support from the electorate but support Guaido, a man that didn't even run for office in those elections and just announced himself as the leader, you are just showing yourself up as a complete fool , which although might have escaped your notice is giving me a proper laugh at this end.

Like the US or a US citizen parroting the state dept line can call out anyone allegedly involved in the international trafficking of drugs :lamo

They did Noriega for drugs trafficking when he was on the CIA payroll and paid known drugs traffickers during the Contra attack on Nicaragua with money allegedly set aside for " humanitarian assistance " . Listening to you is like listening to Trump trying to berate someone over alleged misogyny :doh

The only one being humiliated is yourself by yourself , so keep up the good work
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Irony.
 
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