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What is Really Going on In Venezuela: Propaganda and Collapse.

Evilroddy

Evilroddy

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What is really going on in Venezuela is hard to understand because of a deluge of propaganda from the West and from the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela clouding the issues for partisan benefit. However this is a pretty fair summary of what is going on at the international level with respect to Venezuela.



In the interests of full disclosure the video's narrator is Aaron Bastani who is a radical left-leaning pundit and political advocate from the UK. I often strongly disagree with his analyses but on this occasion I think he gets it right for the most part. He does tend to down-play the incompetence and institutional corruption which has creeped into the Bolivarian Republic's government since the death of former president Hugo Chavez but given the corrupt and incompetent leadership which the West tolerates in other friendly regimes throughout the world and in Venezela's past, Mr. Bastani's mild criticism is not that important to the overall analysis of the issue of regime change in Venezuela.

I hope posters here will invest the time and attention to watch this video and hopefully to see another side of the Venezuelan crisis in order to develop a more balanced perspective. I also recommend that viewers fact check this video and all the spin, lies and propaganda surrounding this crisis from all sides.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
What is really going on in Venezuela is hard to understand because of a deluge of propaganda from the West and from the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela clouding the issues for partisan benefit. However this is a pretty fair summary of what is going on at the international level with respect to Venezuela.



In the interests of full disclosure the video's narrator is Aaron Bastani who is a radical left-leaning pundit and political advocate from the UK. I often strongly disagree with his analyses but on this occasion I think he gets it right for the most part. He does tend to down-play the incompetence and institutional corruption which has creeped into the Bolivarian Republic's government since the death of former president Hugo Chavez but given the corrupt and incompetent leadership which the West tolerates in other friendly regimes throughout the world and in Venezela's past, Mr. Bastani's mild criticism is not that important to the overall analysis of the issue of regime change in Venezuela.

I hope posters here will invest the time and attention to watch this video and hopefully to see another side of the Venezuelan crisis in order to develop a more balanced perspective. I also recommend that viewers fact check this video and all the spin, lies and propaganda surrounding this crisis from all sides.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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why Aaron Bastani and other dirty commie pigs dont want to move to Maturostan or Putlerstan ´s dying empire (lets say to Chechnya ) ? and support these bloody despots from democratic countries
 
Litwin said:
why Aaron Bastani and other dirty commie pigs dont want to move to Maturostan or Putlerstan ´s dying empire (lets say to Chechnya ) ? and support these bloody despots from democratic countries
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Litwin:

Really? This is the best you can do n a debate site? Clearly you did not watch the video which lays out how Venezuela has been a model for democracies from 1998 - 2015 and Bastani proves his assertions. Watch the video before you complain about it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
What is really going on in Venezuela is hard to understand because of a deluge of propaganda from the West and from the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela clouding the issues for partisan benefit. However this is a pretty fair summary of what is going on at the international level with respect to Venezuela.



In the interests of full disclosure the video's narrator is Aaron Bastani who is a radical left-leaning pundit and political advocate from the UK. I often strongly disagree with his analyses but on this occasion I think he gets it right for the most part. He does tend to down-play the incompetence and institutional corruption which has creeped into the Bolivarian Republic's government since the death of former president Hugo Chavez but given the corrupt and incompetent leadership which the West tolerates in other friendly regimes throughout the world and in Venezela's past, Mr. Bastani's mild criticism is not that important to the overall analysis of the issue of regime change in Venezuela.

I hope posters here will invest the time and attention to watch this video and hopefully to see another side of the Venezuelan crisis in order to develop a more balanced perspective. I also recommend that viewers fact check this video and all the spin, lies and propaganda surrounding this crisis from all sides.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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So in other words you posted a video by a admittedly radical leftist commentator....whom you admit downplays the regime’s responsibility for the suffering of the Venezuelan people..... and you think that’s “unclouded of partisanship”?

Seriously?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yes, a model for democracies:

Luxury NYC apartments tied to $2.4B Venezuelan ‘boligarchs’ currency scam
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OldFatGuy:

How does an alleged money laundering media tycoon invalidate Venezuelan democracy? Did Mr. Gordon buy votes or the privilege to launder money with his bribes? How is this related to the functioning of democracy in Venezuela? All you have proved is that there are corrupt Venezuelans, nothing more. If Globovision is interfering in the Venezuelan democratic process any more than Fox News is interfering in the American democratic process then prove it. So far this is just one big straw-man argument.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words you posted a video by a admittedly radical leftist commentator....whom you admit downplays the regime’s responsibility for the suffering of the Venezuelan people..... and you think that’s “unclouded of partisanship”?

Seriously?
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Tigerace117:

Yes. Because the incompetence and mismanagement of Maduro is not grounds for externally forced regime change and there exists at least two mechanisms in the Venezuelan constitution to recall or fire the president if the Venezuelan people demand it (Article 72). This was used to force Hugo Chavez to call a re-election which he won with almost 63% of the popular vote. Furthermore the Venezuelan Supreme Court can remove Maduro with the consent of the National Assembly (Article 272 of the Venezuelan Constitution). But the opposition is too unpopular to win any new presidential re-election so a new Chavista would very likely replace Maduro if the constitution was followed. The opposition has said that it will not respect the constitutional requirement to hold democratic elections within 30 consecutive days of a possible future ouster of Maduro.

Cheers
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
What is really going on in Venezuela is hard to understand because of a deluge of propaganda from the West and from the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela clouding the issues for partisan benefit. However this is a pretty fair summary of what is going on at the international level with respect to Venezuela.



In the interests of full disclosure the video's narrator is Aaron Bastani who is a radical left-leaning pundit and political advocate from the UK. I often strongly disagree with his analyses but on this occasion I think he gets it right for the most part. He does tend to down-play the incompetence and institutional corruption which has creeped into the Bolivarian Republic's government since the death of former president Hugo Chavez but given the corrupt and incompetent leadership which the West tolerates in other friendly regimes throughout the world and in Venezela's past, Mr. Bastani's mild criticism is not that important to the overall analysis of the issue of regime change in Venezuela.

I hope posters here will invest the time and attention to watch this video and hopefully to see another side of the Venezuelan crisis in order to develop a more balanced perspective. I also recommend that viewers fact check this video and all the spin, lies and propaganda surrounding this crisis from all sides.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Maduro is a douchenozzle who needs to go, but it is not our right as americans canadians europeans or whatever to make that happen, the people of venezuala need to do it.

Up until then any country trying to oust a popular president will lead to nothing more than misery famine and war, which the people of venezuala do not need.
 
Evilroddy said:
OldFatGuy:

How does an alleged money laundering media tycoon invalidate Venezuelan democracy? Did Mr. Gordon buy votes or the privilege to launder money with his bribes? How is this related to the functioning of democracy in Venezuela? All you have proved is that there are corrupt Venezuelans, nothing more. If Globovision is interfering in the Venezuelan democratic process any more than Fox News is interfering in the American democratic process then prove it. So far this is just one big straw-man argument.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Crap, the auto-correct screwed me again. That should be Mr. Gorrin and not Mr. Gordon.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
OldFatGuy:

How does an alleged money laundering media tycoon invalidate Venezuelan democracy? Did Mr. Gordon buy votes or the privilege to launder money with his bribes? How is this related to the functioning of democracy in Venezuela? All you have proved is that there are corrupt Venezuelans, nothing more. If Globovision is interfering in the Venezuelan democratic process any more than Fox News is interfering in the American democratic process then prove it. So far this is just one big straw-man argument.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Everyone of these guys is connected to Maduro. Socialism at work. Use your noodle or it will atrophy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Tigerace117:

Yes. Because the incompetence and mismanagement of Maduro is not grounds for externally forced regime change and there exists at least two mechanisms in the Venezuelan constitution to recall or fire the president if the Venezuelan people demand it (Article 72). This was used to force Hugo Chavez to call a re-election which he won with almost 63% of the popular vote. Furthermore the Venezuelan Supreme Court can remove Maduro with the consent of the National Assembly (Article 272 of the Venezuelan Constitution). But the opposition is too unpopular to win any new presidential re-election so a new Chavista would very likely replace Maduro if the constitution was followed. The opposition has said that it will not respect the constitutional requirement to hold democratic elections within 30 consecutive days of a possible future ouster of Maduro.

Cheers
Evilroddy.
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Gee, what a surprise, a mechanism a dictator installed worked in his favor. Here’s another example of that.

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/gK4S...zettel-Anschluss-58afdc553df78cdcd8056694.jpg

It seems, far from providing an “nonpartisan look” you are simply trying to defend the incompetent thug who had wrecked the country.

You can quote legal regulations and rights all you want, but nothing Maduro has done since taking power indicates he’s willing to abide by rule of law in any way, shape or form.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, what a surprise, a mechanism a dictator installed worked in his favor. Here’s another example of that.

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/gK4S...zettel-Anschluss-58afdc553df78cdcd8056694.jpg

It seems, far from providing an “nonpartisan look” you are simply trying to defend the incompetent thug who had wrecked the country.

You can quote legal regulations and rights all you want, but nothing Maduro has done since taking power indicates he’s willing to abide by rule of law in any way, shape or form.
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Tigerace117:

I offered another person's POV so that readers can judge for themselves what is going on in Venezuela by seeing a different view point and I warned potential viewers to fact-check what they saw. The balanced perspective comes from weighing all sides and view points in a dispute and not in assuming that all leftists are inherently dishonest or are blinded by ideological bias. A balanced perspective is a result of critical comparison and analysis of more than one side in a dispute and not the blind acceptance of just one side. If you don't like the views and arguments presented in the video, attack them and provide contradictory evidence. Don't get upset at me for offering them to other readers/viewers as a counterpoint to the regime change party line. Let folks decide for themselves about what is really going on with respect to international interference in Venezuela.

As to your criticism of Chavez and the recall mechanism; it worked. He had to call a re-election and international observers said it was a clean election. Your "dictator" Chavez was elected four times in 15 years and all those elections were certified as good, clean elections by international watch-dog organisations. Even the US-backed 2002 coup attempt to remove Chavez failed because Chavez had too much popular support.

No, I'm not defending Maduro at all. I think he should go or be removed by constitutional means and that free elections should be held in 30 consecutive days. But I am not a Venezuelan citizen. He should be removed if and only if Venezuelans decide to do that constitutionally and not by foreign powers and corporate interests which are in the regime change game for their own benefit. If you want to remove dictators how about starting with the murderous types in Duarte's Philippines, el-Sisi's Egypt or the kings and princes of Saudi Arabia and leave the fate of the corrupt and incompetent Maduro to the Venezuelan people to decide. Butt out.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Litwin:

Really? This is the best you can do n a debate site? Clearly you did not watch the video which lays out how Venezuela has been a model for democracies from 1998 - 2015 and Bastani proves his assertions. Watch the video before you complain about it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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why i ´d watch this video if people like you prefer to love afro- asian detectors from the distance , the same story was with ussr , the radical left is the worst racist narrative out there
 
Litwin said:
why i ´d watch this video if people like you prefer to love afro- asian detectors from the distance , the same story was with ussr , the radical left is the worst racist narrative out there
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Litwin:

???!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Roddy

A good analysis, something very much lacking in western media treatments of the situation. Western media on this Venezuela matter is really nothing but propaganda, a chorus of crooks advocating for illegal overthrow of a legitimately elected government. Inefficient for sure, but legitimately elected.

Here is another analysis for you, from RT. Very good analysis too. Backed by UNSC? 5 moments from Guaido’s interview with RT that don’t quite add up — RT World News

This exposes the details of the lies told by Guaido and his puppet masters in Washington.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Roddy

A good analysis, something very much lacking in western media treatments of the situation. Western media on this Venezuela matter is really nothing but propaganda, a chorus of crooks advocating for illegal overthrow of a legitimately elected government. Inefficient for sure, but legitimately elected.

Here is another analysis for you, from RT. Very good analysis too. Backed by UNSC? 5 moments from Guaido’s interview with RT that don’t quite add up — RT World News

This exposes the details of the lies told by Guaido and his puppet masters in Washington.
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Speaking of propaganda.... RT.COM rears it's head.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Roddy

A good analysis, something very much lacking in western media treatments of the situation. Western media on this Venezuela matter is really nothing but propaganda, a chorus of crooks advocating for illegal overthrow of a legitimately elected government. Inefficient for sure, but legitimately elected.

Here is another analysis for you, from RT. Very good analysis too. Backed by UNSC? 5 moments from Guaido’s interview with RT that don’t quite add up — RT World News

This exposes the details of the lies told by Guaido and his puppet masters in Washington.
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Thoreau72:

I would be just as wary about Russian media spin and propagandising as I am of Western spin and propagandising. Moscow has a great deal to lose in Venezuela if a coup succeeds and so is an interested party advancing its own narrative. That being said, I will give your cited article a read tonight.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Venezuelans fill the streets, but Maduro hangs on By Anthony Faiola and Mariana Zuñiga

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelans on Tuesday fed a wave of discontent seeking to drive President Nicolás Maduro from office, turning out into the streets in massive protests. But even as the opposition hailed new momentum, its leaders conceded that their bid to bring down the socialist government appeared to be morphing into a longer-term struggle.
Through strong U.S. sanctions, international isolation and street protests, the opposition and its foreign allies led by the Trump administration had hoped to rapidly achieve Maduro’s ouster. But nearly three weeks after Juan Guaidó, head of the opposition-controlled National Assembly, declared himself the rightful president and became recognized by dozens of nations including the United States, Maduro’s inner circle has shown few outward signs of cracking.
“No one can predict exactly how long this is going to last,” said Juan Andrés Mejía, a Venezuelan opposition leader and close ally of Guaidó. “I would like it to be days, but it could be weeks or even months.”. . . .
 
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Evilroddy said:
Thoreau72:

I would be just as wary about Russian media spin and propagandising as I am of Western spin and propagandising. Moscow has a great deal to lose in Venezuela if a coup succeeds and so is an interested party advancing its own narrative. That being said, I will give your cited article a read tonight.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Thoreau72:

Of the five points in the article some have some merit and some are not correct or are only partially correct.

UN Security Council endorsed Juan Guaido: RT gets this right. Never happened.

US Samctions Start Date: Guaido is wrong but so is RT. There have been sanctions on and off placed on Venezuela since early in Hugo Chavez's presidency.

Sanctions target Corrupt officials: Guaido is correct here in stating that most US sanctions target individuals at least until very recently. However existing and threatened US sanctions against third-party states and non-state entities trading with the Venezuelan state or businesses are doing great damage to the general Venezuelan economy and have been doing so for quite a while. Add in financial restriction and the general harm to Venzuela grows in scale.

Article 233 and new elections: here RT gets it right but does not mention Article 72 which is the popular recall election petition and the requirement that such a petition be honoured if sufficient signatures are collected.

Millions Stolen from Russia: I don't know whether this is true or not or whether it is a prediction of what will happen should the Maduro Government fall.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Sounds like someone finally nailed Abrams to the wall, to which I say "EXCELLENT".
I may find plenty of distasteful and objectionable things about Omar, but speaking strictly on her session with Elliot Abrams, great job.
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Sure. We need more staunch advocates for tyranny in Latin America.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sure. We need more staunch advocates for tyranny in Latin America.
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That's deflection. Elliot Abrams is not a face for liberty, and a simple search will reveal his past deeds, none of which are anything we can be proud of. He has a lot of blood on his hands.
 
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