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Election fraud observed in Brazil

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When some voters enter the first digit of the candidate number, a screen for Haddad appears and you can't enter the second digit. Others go blank when the voter enters 17, the number for Bolsonaro.



 
So a normal US election in places like Ohio and Florida? :)
 
So a normal US election in places like Ohio and Florida? :)

Sounds pretty routine, especially in the South & Southwest. Business as usual.
 
This has been entirely debunked already. The video was edited to give this impression.

The Brazilian electronic voting machines have 15 built-in firewalls, are tamper-proof, have been used for 22 years without a single problem, and the system has generated visits by delegations of other countries (including the United States) to learn from it, so perfect it is.

Fake news.

By the way, while I'm clarifying this point, do not assume that I'm doing so due to a preference for the leftists in Brazil. Much the opposite, I prefer the right wing candidate, Jair Bolsonaro, to the left wing one, Fernando Haddad. I'm hoping that Bolsonaro will win the run-off on October 28. But there was no fraud. Actually, Bolsonaro over-performed the polls.

You can Google Translate this explanation by an expert from the Electoral Justice in Brazil:

" Um perito do TRE-MG demonstrou, utilizando um programa de edição de imagens, como foi feita a montagem. "Há dois barulhos de cliques [do teclado]. Nesse momento, quando a pessoa está digitando, a imagem não mostra o teclado por completo, sugerindo que uma segunda pessoa tenha feito esse segundo clique", explicou. Além disso, a imagem com o candidato do PT Fernando Haddad foi "plantada" sobre a tela. Há um brilho sobre a tela que não é característico da urna eletrônica, afirmou o especialista em edição de imagens."

https://noticias.uol.com.br/politica/eleicoes/2018/noticias/2018/10/07/tse-esta-apurando-denuncia-de-filho-de-bolsonaro-sobre-fraude-em-urna.htm
 
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When some voters enter the first digit of the candidate number, a screen for Haddad appears and you can't enter the second digit. Others go blank when the voter enters 17, the number for Bolsonaro.

Brazil has a much bigger problem. Their presidential election is coming up and they've got a guy running that makes donald trump look like Ghandi. And he's doing really well in the polls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/09/brazil-election-all-you-need-to-know-about-jair-bolsonaro.html

Jair Bolsonaro is a pro-dictatorship former military officer who has been dubbed the "Trump of the Tropics" by the Brazilian media. The 63-year-old populist ran up a huge lead in the first round of voting on Sunday, although he came up just short of the majority needed to avoid a run-off ballot later this month. He will now face the left-wing Workers' Party candidate, Fernando Haddad, in the second round on October 28.
 
Brazil has a much bigger problem. Their presidential election is coming up and they've got a guy running that makes donald trump look like Ghandi. And he's doing really well in the polls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/09/brazil-election-all-you-need-to-know-about-jair-bolsonaro.html

I know, my wife is promoting Bolsonaro online several hours per day. Brazilians are tired of eating the turd sandwich served up by socialist governments. You seem much less alarmed about Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela. At least he checks all the correct "social justice" boxes, right? Who cares about widespread starvation compared to such important considerations like gender and income equality (equally near zero) and "social responsibility". You would gladly relegate 200 million+ Brazilians to Venezuelan-style misery as long as it protected the leftist ideology.
 
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Why do I support Bolsonaro in this election, given that I'm mostly leftist?
Because the left in Brazil is the most corrupt one in the history of any democracy in the world.
They robbed and destroyed the country. They sponsored the biggest bribery scandal in history, and not just in Brazil, but in the entire world, in dollar amount.
Bringing them back to power is simply preposterous and ANY candidate, whatever his views, is better than the candidate of the corrupt Workers Party.
If the Workers Party wins the run-off, Brazil will turn into another Venezuela. By the way, one of the biggest thieves who served time for corruption and was one of the main Workers Party leaders, José Dirceu, advocated for taking power by force, without elections.

These leftists are dictators, like Maduro.

I'd have preferred a centrist candidate like Meirelles or Alckmin, but the lesser evil between Haddad and Bolsonaro, is clearly Bolsonaro, and it seems like the Brazilians agree with me, given that he won 46% of the vote (against 29% for the Workers Party guy), and is the overwhelming favorite for the run-off.
 
I know, my wife is promoting Bolsonaro online several hours per day. Brazilians are tired of eating the turd sandwich served up by socialist governments. You seem much less alarmed about Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela. At least he checks all the correct "social justice" boxes, right? Who cares about widespread starvation compared to such important considerations like gender and income equality (equally near zero) and "social responsibility". You would gladly relegate 200 million+ Brazilians to Venezuelan-style misery as long as it protected the leftist ideology.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-election.html

He claimed he would rather his son die than be gay, said a woman was too ugly to rape, and told parts of Brazil’s black population that they should “go back to the zoo.” But his get-tough approach to crime seems to have won over many voters

Yep, sounds like your type of guy.
 
Brazil has a much bigger problem. Their presidential election is coming up and they've got a guy running that makes donald trump look like Ghandi. And he's doing really well in the polls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/09/brazil-election-all-you-need-to-know-about-jair-bolsonaro.html

The elections are not "coming up." The first round has happened already, and Bolsonaro actually over-performed the polls, and got 46% versus 29% for the second-placed guy, the one who comes from the ultra-corrupt Workers Party, Haddad, who is a puppet of the thieving ex-president Lula (who is serving time for accepting bribes and money laundering).

No, a much, much, much bigger problem for Brazil, would be the PT (Workers Party) going back to power.

Bolsonaro is much less of a threat to Brazilian democracy than the Workers Party.
 
Many, if not most Brazilians are saying that at least he is not a socialist. Who cares about his crazy talk?

LOL, you think it's just "talk".
 
The elections are not "coming up." The first round has happened already, and Bolsonaro actually over-performed the polls, and got 46% versus 29% for the second-placed guy, the one who comes from the ultra-corrupt Workers Party, Haddad, who is a puppet of the thieving ex-president Lula (who is serving time for accepting bribes and money laundering).

No, a much, much, much bigger problem for Brazil, would be the PT (Workers Party) going back to power.

Bolsonaro is much less of a threat to Brazilian democracy than the Workers Party.

Only 8% of Brazilians think representative democracy is a very good form of government. Brazil was a great place to live during the military dictatorship of 1964-1985. Hopefully it will be again under Bolsonaro.

More support democracy than military rule
 
The elections are not "coming up." The first round has happened already, and Bolsonaro actually over-performed the polls, and got 46% versus 29% for the second-placed guy, the one who comes from the ultra-corrupt Workers Party, Haddad, who is a puppet of the thieving ex-president Lula (who is serving time for accepting bribes and money laundering).

No, a much, much, much bigger problem for Brazil, would be the PT (Workers Party) going back to power.

Bolsonaro is much less of a threat to Brazilian democracy than the Workers Party.

Read the article, my friend. The second round of the election is coming up on 10/28.
 
LOL, you think it's just "talk".

None of that matters if it will once again be safe to walk the streets of Rio, Sao Paulo, Fortaleza, Manaus or Recife at 2 AM.
 
Only 8% of Brazilians think representative democracy is a very good form of government. Brazil was a great place to live during the military dictatorship of 1964-1985. Hopefully it will be again under Bolsonaro.

More support democracy than military rule

Well, Brazilians are tired of what the socialists from the Workers Party did to the country and the economy, and sick and tired of urban violence. But "a great place to live during the military dictatorship" would only be true for those who agreed with the military dictators, because many in the opposition got tortured and killed.

I'd like to see Brazil evolve towards a parliamentary social democracy with free market, pension reform, control of the deficit and good trade, fewer regulations (the cost of doing business in Brazil is enormoous), end of graft and corruption, and control of urban violence, but no need for sexism, homophobia, racism, etc.

I like some of Bolsonaro's economic proposals, and I do think Brazil needs a strong hand to deal with urban violence. But I'd like him to be less of an asshole in other ways.

But you are right, better an asshole with some extreme views but with the right economic approach (and willing to tackle the problem of urban violence) than a bunch of corrupt thieves who will only aggravate and perpetuate the problems, like the Workers Party.
 
Read the article, my friend. The second round of the election is coming up on 10/28.
Read the article?
I know A LOT about Brazil, my friend.
I said THE FIRST ROUND has happened.

You are talking about the elections as "upcoming" when they are already underway. You are talking about polls, when there are already results of the first round.

I don't need to read the article. I could write one. I have already mentioned in this very thread the run-off on 10/28, much before you referred to it.

What part of "I'm hoping that Bolsonaro will win the run-off on October 28." in post #4 you didn't understand?

What part of "and is the overwhelming favorite for the run-off." in post #8 you didn't understand?
 
Well, Brazilians are tired of what the socialists from the Workers Party did to the country and the economy, and sick and tired of urban violence. But "a great place to live during the military dictatorship" would only be true for those who agreed with the military dictators, because many in the opposition got tortured and killed.

I'd like to see Brazil evolve towards a parliamentary social democracy with free market, pension reform, control of the deficit and good trade, fewer regulations (the cost of doing business in Brazil is enormoous), end of graft and corruption, and control of urban violence, but no need for sexism, homophobia, racism, etc.

I like some of Bolsonaro's economic proposals, and I do think Brazil needs a strong hand to deal with urban violence. But I'd like him to be less of an asshole in other ways.

But you are right, better an asshole with some extreme views but with the right economic approach (and willing to tackle the problem of urban violence) than a bunch of corrupt thieves who will only aggravate and perpetuate the problems, like the Workers Party.

They need to keep the sexism. They have gone to too much trouble to properly train their women. Many enjoy being sexually objectified. A boss sleeping with his secretary is winked at. A woman being a slut when she is young isn't held against her. For a horny guy, Brazil is like winning the lottery. Prostitutes are for the lazy there. Any guy with a good job and a bouquet of flowers can pick up an eager chick at the checkout lane at the supermarket or get a waitress to go without even bothering to remove his wedding ring.

Most wives, who were slutty when they were younger, get a bit irritated but figure it's their turn to be the annoyed wife and leave it at that.
 
Read the article?
I know A LOT about Brazil, my friend.
I said THE FIRST ROUND has happened.

You are talking about the elections as "upcoming" when they are already underway. You are talking about polls, when there are already results of the first round.

I don't need to read the article. I could write one. I have already mentioned in this very thread the run-off on 10/28, much before you referred to it.

What part of "I'm hoping that Bolsonaro will win the run-off on October 28." in post #4 you didn't understand?

What part of "and is the overwhelming favorite for the run-off." in post #8 you didn't understand?

They need to keep the sexism. They have gone to too much trouble to properly train their women. Many enjoy being sexually objectified. A boss sleeping with his secretary is winked at. A woman being a slut when she is young isn't held against her. For a horny guy, Brazil is like winning the lottery. Prostitutes are for the lazy there. Any guy with a good job and a bouquet of flowers can pick up an eager chick at the checkout lane at the supermarket or get a waitress to go without even bothering to remove his wedding ring.

Yeah, I've got the feeling I wondered into the wrong thread. <lurch slowly backs away>
 
They need to keep the sexism. They have gone to too much trouble to properly train their women. Many enjoy being sexually objectified. A boss sleeping with his secretary is winked at. A woman being a slut when she is young isn't held against her. For a horny guy, Brazil is like winning the lottery. Prostitutes are for the lazy there. Any guy with a good job and a bouquet of flowers can pick up an eager chick at the checkout lane at the supermarket or get a waitress to go without even bothering to remove his wedding ring.

And how would any of this improve with sexism??? I don't follow your logic. Unless you think that what you describe is a good thing. I wonder if your Brazilian wife agrees.
And much of what you are saying is just stereotypical.
Do notice that Brazil did elect a female president (although she was incompetent and got impeached) much before the United States.
This idea that the Brazilian woman is subservient and easy, is just a stereotype. Would you like it if people referred to your wife this way, just because she is Brazilian?

Bolsonaro saying that women need to be paid less for the same work because they risk getting pregnant is really preposterous.
I don't support him for that.
But I do support him for saying that crime is out of control and the good citizens are unprotected.
I applaud him for 27 years in Congress without being accused of corruption (except for a bit of nepotism for one of his wives, but he did fire her when it became illegal), a rare thing for a Brazilian politician.
I favor his view (which he has only adopted more recently) that the over-bloated Brazilian government needs to scale back its interference in the economy, and that the benefits system needs reform (or else the Brazilian economy will continue to be sabotaged). I favor the idea that privatizing the bloated state companies will decrease graft.

But I do see women as equal to men, and I think all human races are equal, and homosexuals have all the right in the world to make their choices regarding who they want to marry (although I'm definitely heterosexual myself and wouldn't make those choices).

Ultimately, though, like you said earlier, these extreme views will have a lesser impact on Brazilian society (evolution in social mores can't be stopped, it always happens, in all societies, sooner or later) as compared to the corruption and impunity and dictatorship of the left that the Workers Party would implement (or rather, restart).
 
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This idea that the Brazilian woman is subservient and easy, is just a stereotype.

Damn, I must have just been in the right places at the right time. Of course, I married the one that was the most subservient and horny even by Brazilian standards. Rent a car and go ***** hunting in small towns especially in the North & Northeast. You won't be able to keep up.

I have taken many Brazilian chicks to a nice dinner. Every damn one of them put out.
 
Damn, I must have just been in the right places at the right time. Of course, I married the one that was the most subservient and horny even by Brazilian standards. Rent a car and go ***** hunting in small towns especially in the North & Northeast. You won't be able to keep up.

We seem to have very different standards regarding this topic. Whatever rocks your boat, mate. But me, my wife is very assertive, strong, and my equal in every single way (including, she makes as much money as I do, to the dime (and believe me, it's a lot) - we do the same work for the same organization and we have exactly the same pay, unlike Bolsonaro would preach). I find my wife beautiful and sexy, and I don't need to rent a car and go ***** hunting. I'm quite content with my wife.
 
SDET, tell me, why exactly would the TSE allow fraud in favor of the Workers Party? The current government, the current Supreme Court, and the Current TSE have consistently voted against the PT, and against Lula. The current president couldn't hate the PT more, and the same applies to all the higher courts.

Then, they'd suddenly engage in fraud to support Haddad? It makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Many, if not most Brazilians are saying that at least he is not a socialist. Who cares about his crazy talk?

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face!!', sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
 
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