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Thousands of immigrants pass through the Southern border. Why are they fleeing their home countries?

Stop playing ignorant. It's been talked enough about here that your attempt to play ignorant is pathetic.

I don't care in the least what has been "talked" about. if you have a link or a specific fact, post it. No other President in our time, has separated children from their parents.
 
maybe you can direct me to the law that requires the separation of children from their parents.

Finally, respondents claim that the regulation is an abuse of discretion because it permits the INS, once having determined that an alien juvenile lacks an available relative or legal guardian, to hold the juvenile in detention indefinitely. That is not so. The period of custody is inherently limited by the pending deportation hearing, which must be concluded with “reasonable dispatch” to avoid habeas corpus. (noting time limits placed on pretrial detention by the Speedy Trial Act). It is expected that alien juveniles will remain in INS custody an average of only 30 days. See Juvenile Care Agreement 178a.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/507/292/case.pdf page 314

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I don't care in the least what has been "talked" about. if you have a link or a specific fact, post it. No other President in our time, has separated children from their parents.

In other words you don't care about facts. Gotcha. :2wave:
 
The elephant in the room has been there since the beginning, our so called "War on Drugs" created this mess.

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Because of how we have tried to police this to date (which is basically control the Gulf of Mexico and try to control the border with Mexico) we have forced the flow of drugs up from South America through a choke point of Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador (and others) on their way up through Mexico and ultimately into the US anyway.

Gangs in these nations have done what organized crime always does when something is illegal but has a demand, fulfill and control the supply. Which means violence and/or interaction with governments in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, some in Costa Rica, some in Panama, plenty all over Mexico, in plenty of US cities coast to coast, etc.

The US is still the primary consumer of these drugs and as such there will be continued interest in trying to control the supply of those drugs until we wake up and realize that like so many times before we created our own fiasco. Our spending on the so called War on Drugs crosses swim lanes with our Foreign Aid policy to these very nations which crosses swim lanes with our military spending (the list goes on) all in a futile effort to deal with the economic and social implications of this stupid war not just here in the US but in nations all over the Americas.

So now we have an immigration mess from these very nations where local conditions in these nations have devolved to utter ****, and we wonder why we see all these implications.

The solution is obvious. Change the very reason why MS-13, Barrio 18, and so many others exist in the first place by ending this stupidity that has been going on since the 1970's that has seen no measurable success yet plenty of fall out impacting everything from local law enforcement to immigration to foreign policy to our own fiscal condition and to our own social and economic climate.

This was failed, what we see today is a direct cause of it.
Oh FFS...

Thats such a tired whiny lie. Wah...its our fault.

Thats such bull****. Those countries are ****holes. We didnt create those ****holes. Their governments suck...ALL of them including our immediate neighbors to the south. They have squandered labor, agriculture, manufacturing, and especially tourism opportunities to embrace failed and corrupt socialist policies that do not work. They sized a cash crop and exploited it...looking for and finding a market. And they ignored ALL ELSE.

MS13 was not created as part of the drug trade. MS13 nothing more than a bunch of ****s in prison that created a gang to fight against the black gangs and the white gangs. 30 years later, they are involved in SO MUCH more than the drug trade...they are involved in "racketeering, extortion, prostitution, kidnapping, illegal immigration, money laundering, murder, people smuggling, arms trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking."
 
Simple question.

Is the USA the worlds police and care givers?

We're the drug lords' biggest customer. Not nice to wash our hands when we made theirs dirty.
 
In other words you don't care about facts. Gotcha. :2wave:

lets see here, bro. I ask you to post facts, and you say I don't care about facts. In reality you have no idea of what you are talking about. I still wait to see some law that allows children to be taken from their parents, a law that no other President seems to have known about.
 
Oh FFS...

Thats such a tired whiny lie. Wah...its our fault.

Thats such bull****. Those countries are ****holes. We didnt create those ****holes. Their governments suck...ALL of them including our immediate neighbors to the south. They have squandered labor, agriculture, manufacturing, and especially tourism opportunities to embrace failed and corrupt socialist policies that do not work. They sized a cash crop and exploited it...looking for and finding a market. And they ignored ALL ELSE.

MS13 was not created as part of the drug trade. MS13 nothing more than a bunch of ****s in prison that created a gang to fight against the black gangs and the white gangs. 30 years later, they are involved in SO MUCH more than the drug trade...they are involved in "racketeering, extortion, prostitution, kidnapping, illegal immigration, money laundering, murder, people smuggling, arms trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking."

Actually we did create those **** holes. We've been at since the 50's.

Learn your history.
 
Obviously you don't know what you are even talking about. Illegal immigrants are deported after they have gone through our legal system.
Bull****. Thers 20-30 million illegal immigrants living in this country, many for decades, and living with executive protection...thats how ****ing stupid the last administration was.

So I'll ask again...

Do you believe in following the LAWS of this country?
 
Bull****. Thers 20-30 million illegal immigrants living in this country, many for decades, and living with executive protection...thats how ****ing stupid the last administration was.

So I'll ask again...

Do you believe in following the LAWS of this country?

We have gone now from 11 million illegals in this country to 20-30 million. Next month will it be 40-50 million? You just make up whatever shyte you want.
 
Actually we did create those **** holes. We've been at since the 50's.

Learn your history.
Being involved in a country does not = creating their ****hole. Those countries have resources and opportunities to grow. They dont. They, like idiot leftists in this country...love to blame everyone but the people responsible for their miserable existence.....the pathetic **** that stares back at them from the mirror every day.
 
We have gone now from 11 million illegals in this country to 20-30 million. Next month will it be 40-50 million? You just make up whatever shyte you want.
The 11 million figure was first cited back in 2006. You would have to be a total ****ing idiot to believe it hasnt changed in 12 years. And that was a pretty pathetic dodge. The fact remains....whether you are stupid enough to believe the number is 11 million or the 20-30 million living in this country...many with executive privilege extended by the previous administration...

So I'll ask again...

Do you believe in following the LAWS of this country?
 
The 11 million figure was first cited back in 2006. You would have to be a total ****ing idiot to believe it hasnt changed in 12 years. And that was a pretty pathetic dodge. The fact remains....whether you are stupid enough to believe the number is 11 million or the 20-30 million living in this country...many with executive privilege extended by the previous administration...

So I'll ask again...


Do you believe in following the LAWS of this country?


First of all, the number of illegal in this country hasn't changed much in the past 10 years or so. Secondly what is the "executive privilege" you referred to?
 
"Thousands of immigrants pass through the Southern border. Why are they fleeing their home countries?"

Because they live in s***hole countries ... and by bringing their outhouses to us, they want to turn the US of A into a s***hole.
 
First of all, the number of illegal in this country hasn't changed much in the past 10 years or so. Secondly what is the "executive privilege" you referred to?
The DREAM act is an executive order SPECIFICALLY designed to SUBVERT US immigration law.

Now...you DO believe in following the LAW, dont you?
 
I don't care in the least what has been "talked" about. if you have a link or a specific fact, post it. No other President in our time, has separated children from their parents.

Every President since 1992 has separated children from their parents.
 
The DREAM act is an executive order SPECIFICALLY designed to SUBVERT US immigration law.

Now...you DO believe in following the LAW, dont you?

The Dream Act badly needs to be approved by Congress. Children should not be held liable for the acts of their parents.
 
Every President since 1992 has separated children from their parents.

Of course there have been instances from time to time where that has happened, but no President other than trump has made it policy applying to everyone.
He now knows, too late, that he screwed up badly on this one.
 
Oh FFS...

Thats such a tired whiny lie. Wah...its our fault.

Thats such bull****. Those countries are ****holes. We didnt create those ****holes. Their governments suck...ALL of them including our immediate neighbors to the south. They have squandered labor, agriculture, manufacturing, and especially tourism opportunities to embrace failed and corrupt socialist policies that do not work. They sized a cash crop and exploited it...looking for and finding a market. And they ignored ALL ELSE.

MS13 was not created as part of the drug trade. MS13 nothing more than a bunch of ****s in prison that created a gang to fight against the black gangs and the white gangs. 30 years later, they are involved in SO MUCH more than the drug trade...they are involved in "racketeering, extortion, prostitution, kidnapping, illegal immigration, money laundering, murder, people smuggling, arms trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking."

I'll note how quickly you resorted to the above foolishness.

Learn your history, these nations did not have these same issues until we ensured the drug trade went through these Central American nations. You can blame socialism, gangs that came to be just cause, or whatever else but all the evidence is there in direct contradiction to your notions.
 
Of course there have been instances from time to time where that has happened, but no President other than trump has made it policy applying to everyone.

Irrelevant. Laws either need to apply to everyone equally or applied to no one.

He now knows, too late, that he screwed up badly on this one.

I'm not sure what you mean by "screwed up." Do you mean he screwed when he decided to stop following the law are did he screw up when he started following the law? The courts have ruled children can only remain in INS custody for an average of 30 days. After that, they cannot remain in custody with their parents (if they are traveling with their parents).
 
Irrelevant. Laws either need to apply to everyone equally or applied to no one.




I'm not sure what you mean by "screwed up." Do you mean he screwed when he decided to stop following the law are did he screw up when he started following the law? The courts have ruled children can only remain in INS custody for an average of 30 days. After that, they cannot remain in custody with their parents (they are traveling with their parents).

Trump knows he made a major mistake by taken children away from their parents. The outcry from both sides of the aisle has been deafening. Now how does he clean this mess up. No one really knows just how many children are involved, and no one knows if some of these children will ever see their parents again.
 
Trump knows he made a major mistake by taken children away from their parents.

So you're saying that his mistake is following the law.

The outcry from both sides of the aisle has been deafening. Now how does he clean this mess up. No one really knows just how many children are involved, and no one knows if some of these children will ever see their parents again.

You're not saying anything of value. Either the laws should apply to everyone equally or they shouldn't. If people on both sides are unhappy, they should work to change the laws.
 
So you're saying that his mistake is following the law.





You're not saying anything of value. Either the laws should apply to everyone equally or they shouldn't. If people on both sides are unhappy, they should work to change the laws.

Where does the law specifically say that children should be separated from their parents?
 
Irrelevant. Laws either need to apply to everyone equally or applied to no one.



I'm not sure what you mean by "screwed up." Do you mean he screwed when he decided to stop following the law are did he screw up when he started following the law? The courts have ruled children can only remain in INS custody for an average of 30 days. After that, they cannot remain in custody with their parents (if they are traveling with their parents).

there is this thing called "discretion" that exists in law enforcement
 
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