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Soldiers took them in the night

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Soldiers took them in the night. Now Mexico's key drug war strategy is on trial.

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The Mexico military patrolling in Juarez, Mexico

April 25, 2018

The soldiers took them in the night. First they came for Nitza Alvarado Espinoza and Jose Alvarado Herrera. The 31-year-old cousins were sitting in a van outside a family member's house when troops forced them into a military truck.
Minutes later, soldiers arrived at the house of another Alvarado cousin, 18-year-old Rocio Alvarado Reyes. She was carried away screaming at gunpoint in front of her young brothers and baby daughter. It was Dec. 29, 2009 — the last time the cousins were seen alive.

Fairly long article delves into the Mexican government using the national military as a police force. The soldiers are feared almost as much as the drug cartels.
 
Soldiers took them in the night. Now Mexico's key drug war strategy is on trial.

juarez-31.jpg

The Mexico military patrolling in Juarez, Mexico



Fairly long article delves into the Mexican government using the national military as a police force. The soldiers are feared almost as much as the drug cartels.

Does it give you a feel for how the Vietnamese, Indonesians, Iranians, Iraqis, Nicaraguans, Filipinos, Koreans, Guatemalans, Panamanians, ... must have felt when US troops and/or US right wing brutal dictators troops arrived to disappear millions of people?
 
Does it give you a feel for how the Vietnamese, Indonesians, Iranians, Iraqis, Nicaraguans, Filipinos, Koreans, Guatemalans, Panamanians, ... must have felt when US troops and/or US right wing brutal dictators troops arrived to disappear millions of people?

:roll:
 
Does it give you a feel for how the Vietnamese, Indonesians, Iranians, Iraqis, Nicaraguans, Filipinos, Koreans, Guatemalans, Panamanians, ... must have felt when US troops and/or US right wing brutal dictators troops arrived to disappear millions of people?

That’s funny. I wonder how the tens of millions of Russians, Chinese,, North Koreans, Germans, etc felt.....oh wait, I forgot. You approve of mass killings when communists are the ones doing it.
 
That’s funny. I wonder how the tens of millions of Russians, Chinese,, North Koreans, Germans, etc felt.....oh wait, I forgot. You approve of mass killings when communists are the ones doing it.

Republicans don't mind mass killing when done by right wing dictators, just so long as they continue to do Americas bidding.
 
Republicans don't mind mass killing when done by right wing dictators, just so long as they continue to do Americas bidding.

I wish it was limited to Republican presidents but sadly, this has not been the case.
 
I wish it was limited to Republican presidents but sadly, this has not been the case.

I didn't specify presidents, just Republicans in general. Argentina, Guatemala, Philippines, Cuba, Panama, Nicaragua, and those are just a few of the local ones.
 
Republicans don't mind mass killing when done by right wing dictators, just so long as they continue to do Americas bidding.

Democrats don’t care about mass killings at all, they just get upset when America puts a stop to them.

See how idiotic partisan hackery like what you spewed is?
 
I wish it was limited to Republican presidents but sadly, this has not been the case.

How’s it feel knowing the people of Europe overwhelming rejected your ideology?
 
Democrats don’t care about mass killings at all, they just get upset when America puts a stop to them.

See how idiotic partisan hackery like what you spewed is?

What was done by our country to stop the killings in Cuba, Argentina, Nicaragua, Panama, Philippines, Guatemala,Peru just to name a few.
 
What was done by our country to stop the killings in Cuba, Argentina, Nicaragua, Panama, Philippines, Guatemala,Peru just to name a few.

We overthrew multiple dictators who launched mass killings; we attempted to overthrow other dictators, such as the Castro regime in Cuba, which brutally oppress their people to this day; and we placed pressure on various regimes to liberalize, which caused them to moderate over time.
 
We overthrew multiple dictators who launched mass killings; we attempted to overthrow other dictators, such as the Castro regime in Cuba, which brutally oppress their people to this day; and we placed pressure on various regimes to liberalize, which caused them to moderate over time.

The only dictators we overthrow are left wingers, such as Castro. The one exception I can think of is in Panama, but Noreiga made the mistake of drug dealing in too obvious a way.
 
The only dictators we overthrow are left wingers, such as Castro. The one exception I can think of is in Panama, but Noreiga made the mistake of drug dealing in too obvious a way.

Saddam Hussein was certainly not a “left winger” by 2003. The Taliban were not a left wing government. The US put immense pressure on apartheid South Africa(a dictatorship for most of its people) which contributed to the fall of that regime. Rafael Trujillo was overthrown with US support. There are numerous other examples, but those are just off the top of my head.

So no, your argument doesn’t hold water.
 
Saddam Hussein was certainly not a “left winger” by 2003. The Taliban were not a left wing government. The US put immense pressure on apartheid South Africa(a dictatorship for most of its people) which contributed to the fall of that regime. Rafael Trujillo was overthrown with US support. There are numerous other examples, but those are just off the top of my head.

So no, your argument doesn’t hold water.

How many year, decades, was Trujillo in power before we had to do something?I would say that Hussein was an entirely different situation.
 
How many year, decades, was Trujillo in power before we had to do something?I would say that Hussein was an entirely different situation.

Which doesn’t change the fact that we still helped overthrow him.

And Saddam was hardly a “different situation”
 
Which doesn’t change the fact that we still helped overthrow him.

And Saddam was hardly a “different situation”

Was not Saddam overthrown for Iraqi oil reserves?
 
Was not Saddam overthrown for Iraqi oil reserves?

Nope. We get most of our non domestic oil from places like Canada, Nigeria and Venezuela. The meme that Iraq was “for the oil” is the result of conspiracy theorists being too lazy to do basic research. But then again, if they did basic research they wouldn’t be conspiracy theorists
 
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