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Honduras vs. Venezuela, Silence vs. Outcries at the Derailing of Democracy.

Evilroddy

Evilroddy

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DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Far more likely that no one in the US much cares about Honduras, to be blunt

Not to mention the fact that Honduras is not a "US puppet". .
 
Correction: Not martial law but a ten-day long and nation-wide state of emergency has been declared. Sorry for the error.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Tigerace117:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton publicly admitted that she backed the coup d'etat in Honduras in 2009 to oust the democratically elected president. So yes, a puppet regime.

Hillary Clinton Admits Role in Honduran Coup | Al Jazeera America

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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1) Al Jazeera is rather notorious for having an agenda--- one in which making America out to look as sketchy/evil as possible is a priority

2) So Honduras is a puppet of Hilary Clinton?

3) "Support" is an incredible vague term
 
Evilroddy said:
DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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As we all know, democracy has its risks. Venezuela portrayed one of these with great plasticity and made one of the wealthiest countries a poor house.

Quite true. It should not be the USA that steps up to the plate. Nor probably should it be done on the sly.
It should be a regional or supranational organisation with clear rules. Security of populations is a typical if not the foremost public good. It could be monitored supranationally and enforced.
 
Evilroddy said:
DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Well it’s like asking why American leftists put Pinochet at the level of Hitler while Revering Fidel Castro....
 
Evilroddy said:
DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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This is a wonderful opportunity to observe the USA MSM to see how the narrative will be controlled. We know the election is fraudulent. Will the truth come out? Not likely because the MSM prints the storyline (controlled narrative) of the NEOCONS. I'm sure the truth will be found at consortiumnews.com because it is an investigative news site.
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If you have about 35 minutes to spare, here is a fascinating interview between a former president of Honduoras who was ousted by a US-backed coup d'etat in 2009 and news caster Amy Goodman of Democracy Now. It is a fascinating primer on how the US Miltary's Southern Command operates to thwart the development and spread of participatory democracy in Central and South America. It's a window into a dimension of US foreign policy which all Americans should be aware of.

No Democracy Here: Ousted Honduran Pres. Zelaya Says 2009 U.S.-Backed Coup Led to Election Crisis - YouTube

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
DP commentators have been vocal in their criticism and condemnation of the Maduro government's alleged efforts to thwart democracy in Venezuela but those same commentators have been strangely silent on the efforts of the Hernandez government's attempts to suppress a popular revolt against alleged and widespread electoral fraud committed by the Honduran Election Commitee (Supreme Electoral Tribunal -TSE) in last week's election.

https://www.ft.com/content/68210ec4-d9e0-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

Things became very odd indeed after it looked like the challenger, Nasralla, had a five point lead in the polls, before open vote counting was suspended by the tribunal and the results were rapidly reversed despite more than 60% of the votes having been already counted before the suspension. The in-camera count reversed the vote tallying in two days of questionable behaviour by the TSE. A general protest has triggered martial law and curfews but significant segments of the police and COBRA anti-terrorism paramilitaries are refusing to enforce the president's curfew.

So why the noise about Venezela but silence about Honduras? Could it be that the incumbent in Honduras (who is arguably running illegally in violation of term limits laws which were quickly overturned) is a US puppet placed into power back in 2009 by a US-backed coup and is therefore an acceptable practioner of electoral fraud? I am curious.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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If the White House hasn't tweeted then there's half a nation that is ignorant
 
Fearandloathing:

That statement of yours could be depressingly accurate about matters concerning Central and South America. But I don't blame the American people. An awful lot of money and thought is being expended by the US Federal Government and public relations firms working for it, to make sure Americans stay in the dark about what's going on and the whys operating behind the scenes. An externally administered societal anesthetic is paralysing the US body politic and while some of it is down to the innate apathy of the general public, a considerable amount must be due to the systematic control of the terms of public debate by the state and its powerful allies in the private sector.

Of course I don't have to tell you that for, IIRC, you were in the news business and must have confronted this regularly, from both sides, in the course of doing your research and reporting. I imagine it was less restrictive operating in Canada (I could be wrong and the Canadian Federal Government might be doing it often too - I'm just not aware of it), but you must have encountered stonewalling, obstruction, obfustication and disinformation on matters of interest to the state and its private sector allies in the course of your career. I've long suspected that Canada, suppresses, covers up and deflects stories about Canadian mining companies and their questionable operating procedures abroad. Gold and diamonds are powerful corrupters and their extraction and in the case of gold their concentration are environmentally damaging to ecosystems, people in proximity to the mines and the workers who operate on site.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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A brutal and violent military crackdown against an angry electorate which feels that their democracy has been stolen from them by a corrupt, US-backed incumbent president is now underway by the Honduran military. Death squads and assassins are killing Columbians in a post FARC vacuum. Brazil and Argentina are descending further into corrupt authoritarian rule and crony corporatism. Political upheaval in Peru is threatening that country's stability. But Venezuela and occasionally Cuba are the only stories being followed in any depth by the US MSM. Empire is advancing as those charged with reporting the news wilfully look away and remain silent. Shame on the media.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
Another possible reason is that Honduras's economy isn't sinking like Venezuela's.
 
Masterhawk said:
Another possible reason is that Honduras's economy isn't sinking like Venezuela's.
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OIL is at $64. ergo Venezuela is back in the chips, don't ya' Know? It is a one horse economy, like Houston, Texas. Venezuela is now rising, not sinking.
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DaveFagan said:
OIL is at $64. ergo Venezuela is back in the chips, don't ya' Know? It is a one horse economy, like Houston, Texas. Venezuela is now rising, not sinking.
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Then why don't I hear things improving? The economy shrunk 18% last year and the annual inflation rate is well beyond 100%.
 
Masterhawk said:
Then why don't I hear things improving? The economy shrunk 18% last year and the annual inflation rate is well beyond 100%.
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Probably because you take the USA MSM as gospel instead of a agenda driven narrative. Did anyone mention the USDollar has dropped about 18%?
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DaveFagan said:
Probably because you take the USA MSM as gospel instead of a agenda driven narrative. Did anyone mention the USDollar has dropped about 18%?
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Do you have any proof that Venezuela is improving?
 
Masterhawk said:
Do you have any proof that Venezuela is improving?
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I'm gonna have to go with common sense here. Oil is Venezuela's economic lifeline. 2 years ago Oil was 40 dollars per barrel, down from 100 dollars per barrel. Recently, oil has rebounded to 60+ dollars per barrel substantually enhancing Venezuela's economic lifeling. It may take a few months for the money to filter down to the masses, but it will. They can thank Trump's Big Energy policies to help Big Energy Corporations for this financial boodle. On the other hand, the CIA is still attempting to foment rebellion by supporting Venezuela's oligarchs who want to get the government back in the hands of Corporations, eh? You know, screw a bunch of Venezuelans. S.O.P.
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