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8 Atrocities Committed Against Puerto Rico by the US

TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo So now we are moving on to the world is literally "black and white and you have to pick one" :lamo
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Ain't that Utopianism in a nutshell. And isn't your political philosophy based on Utopianism?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo No......




Whats your next excuse?
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No excuse. Just pointing out the fact that no matter how many "OMG youse guys America is evul" threads you make it's, thankfully, not going to change things one iota.

Puerto Rico has been part of the United States for many years and will continue to be part of the US for years to come.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No excuse. Just pointing out the fact that no matter how many "OMG youse guys America is evul" threads you make it's, thankfully, not going to change things one iota.

Puerto Rico has been part of the United States for many years and will continue to be part of the US for years to come.
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So your point is that the US will own still own Puerto Rico? :lamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So your point is that the US will own still own Puerto Rico? :lamo
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Well, no ****. And posting a bunch of random, unconnected **** which has happened over the years doesn't change that fact.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Citizenship :lamo If only they could actually vote and if they actually had congressional representation..... What was that thing the original 13 colonies rebelled against? "No taxation without representation"
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Territories have NEVER had congressional representation. The people of Puerto Rico would have such representation if they were a state, something they have rejected at referendum several times.

Puerto Ricans can in fact vote, Puerto Rico elects a Governor, Resident Commissioner, and a territorial legislature.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more and videos at: [/FONT][/COLOR]8 Atrocities Committed Against Puerto Rico by the US

Here are some more crimes committed by our country that has been committed by us.... More imperialism that our government would like to erase from our history.
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so lets cut to the chase, what do you want done about it?

Btw The number 1 is bogus, the majority of Puerto Rico doesn't even know what status they want, how is that our fault?

And calling the Merchant Marine (Jones Act) a travesty? So what now you want us to outsource domestic freight traffic to low payed foreign mariners instead of American unionized mariners in safey regulated ships? sounds very socialist of you.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They are "getting things for free"?
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Well they have the rights that go with US Citizen, however they are also Puerto Rican Citizens.. and they have the ability to renounce their US citizenship and remain Puerto Rican Citizens if they want to.. hardly any of them have done this.
Also they do pay social security/medicare taxes but they do not have to pay individual federal income tax. this is probably why they don't want to be a state.
Now they cant vote for congressional elections as they aren't a state so they don't have senators or reps.
They still get section 8 housing, headstart, food stamps, wic and other social welfare program benefits.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, no ****. And posting a bunch of random, unconnected **** which has happened over the years doesn't change that fact.
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And where did I say this would "change that fact"?

EMNofSeattle said:
Territories have NEVER had congressional representation. The people of Puerto Rico would have such representation if they were a state,
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And I never said otherwise.....

something they have rejected at referendum several times.
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Wrong. See the 2012 referendum. 62% of voters favored statehood. However as I pointed out earlier it takes an act of Congress to actually start the process of granting statehood, as of 2014 a bill introduced that would star this process didnt even get out of committee.


Puerto Ricans can in fact vote, Puerto Rico elects a Governor, Resident Commissioner, and a territorial legislature.
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Which is extremely limited in power... Essentially a "state government".

SocialD said:
this is probably why they don't want to be a state.
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TheDemSocialist said:
And where did I say this would "change that fact"?


And I never said otherwise.....


Wrong. See the 2012 referendum. 62% of voters favored statehood. However as I pointed out earlier it takes an act of Congress to actually start the process of granting statehood, as of 2014 a bill introduced that would star this process didnt even get out of committee.



Which is extremely limited in power... Essentially a "state government".


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Actually 62% of 54% favor statehood. Which means not a majority support statehood since a strong minority didn't want to change in the first place
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And where did I say this would "change that fact"?


And I never said otherwise.....


Wrong. See the 2012 referendum. 62% of voters favored statehood. However as I pointed out earlier it takes an act of Congress to actually start the process of granting statehood, as of 2014 a bill introduced that would star this process didnt even get out of committee.



Which is extremely limited in power... Essentially a "state government".


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62% of the 54% who favored changing Puerto Rico's Territorial status to begin with supported Statehood. That's only around 33% of the original whole.

A plurality, perhaps, but certainly not a majority.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Actually 62% of 54% favor statehood. Which means not a majority support statehood since a strong minority didn't want to change in the first place
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:doh The majority of the electorate (54%) voted for a change in the territorial status of Puerto Rico in the first question, and for statehood (61%) in the second question. That is a MAJORITY (50+1%)....
 
Gathomas88 said:
62% of the 54% who favored changing Puerto Rico's Territorial status to begin with supported Statehood. That's only around 33% of the original whole.

A plurality, perhaps, but certainly not a majority.
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:doh Again. False. The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854 valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:doh Again. False. The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority.
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Says who? :roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:doh The majority of the electorate (54%) voted for a change in the territorial status of Puerto Rico in the first question, and for statehood (61%) in the second question. That is a MAJORITY (50+1%)....
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A change, not statehood. In fact no political status recieved a majority.

Because 46 percent said status quo is preferred, and the second question presupposes that a change is nessecary even though a very sizable minority just said it was not.

It is impossible for 62% to support statehood if 46% oppose it, that would be 108% total of the turnout which is impossible.

Yet the second question was presented as a hypothetical and allowed even no voters to vote for a new status.

It was 1)rigged for a statehood answer
2) the numbers do not support that a majority want statehood. 62 cannot support statehood if 46% do not support changing the current status
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:doh Again. False. The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854 valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority.
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And anyone who answered the second question after answering no on the first was picking a hypothetical if change was nessecary. If they never wanted to change status in the first place thry do not favor statehood
 
Gathomas88 said:
Says who? :roll:
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The ballots casted......................

EMNofSeattle said:
A change, not statehood. In fact no political status recieved a majority.

Because 46 percent said status quo is preferred, and the second question presupposes that a change is nessecary even though a very sizable minority just said it was not.

It is impossible for 62% to support statehood if 46% oppose it, that would be 108% total of the turnout which is impossible.

Yet the second question was presented as a hypothetical and allowed even no voters to vote for a new status.

It was 1)rigged for a statehood answer
2) the numbers do not support that a majority want statehood. 62 cannot support statehood if 46% do not support changing the current status
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The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority. Of those who answered "yes" to the first question, which would mean they want Puerto Rico to continue to be a US Territory, this received 828,077 votes. Now we can imply that this is the anti-state hood vote. 834,191 answered in favor of statehood to question 2. Those in favor of statehood is still more than all of those who voted against changing Puerto Rico's territorial status...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The ballots casted......................


The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority. Of those who answered "yes" to the first question, which would mean they want Puerto Rico to continue to be a US Territory, this received 828,077 votes. Now we can imply that this is the anti-state hood vote. 834,191 answered in favor of statehood to question 2. Those in favor of statehood is still more than all of those who voted against changing Puerto Rico's territorial status...
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In other words, you think they voted for statehood after explicitly voting against it. Surely, even you can see what's wrong with this picture. :roll:

This would be akin to asking someone to vote for a Democrat or Republican, and then requiring that they vote for whichever Democrat they happen to prefer after the fact, claiming that this means that the Democrats won even if they did not carry the original vote. That's simply not how democracy works.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
The ballots casted......................


The referendum asked two questions. Regardless of how they answered the first question they still were to answer the second question. Out of the 1,363,854valid votes casted for the second question, 834,191 favored statehood. That is a majority. Of those who answered "yes" to the first question, which would mean they want Puerto Rico to continue to be a US Territory, this received 828,077 votes. Now we can imply that this is the anti-state hood vote. 834,191 answered in favor of statehood to question 2. Those in favor of statehood is still more than all of those who voted against changing Puerto Rico's territorial status...
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no, because anyone who voted yes on both cannot be said to prefer statehood, and maintaining territorial status was not an option on question 2. each of the questions on 2 overlaps with people who never wanted a question 2 option as evidenced by the answer to number 1
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And where did I say this would "change that fact"?


And I never said otherwise.....


Wrong. See the 2012 referendum. 62% of voters favored statehood. However as I pointed out earlier it takes an act of Congress to actually start the process of granting statehood, as of 2014 a bill introduced that would star this process didnt even get out of committee.



Which is extremely limited in power... Essentially a "state government".


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And where was that graphic you have compiled from? because from evertyi8ng I have read they have repeatedly voted against it.
 
It is not clear to me that Congress would allow PR to become a state right now. What do they bring to the table? I am more leaning towards cutting them off.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yeah......

They tried to shoot the president, and congress back in the late forties and early fifties.

But it's not a huge deal anymore for most people. Unlike certain individuals, they know when the past is the past.
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Who's "they"?
 
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