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Jewish Voice For Peace Celebrate BDS "Victory"

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“Microsoft’s decision to divest from AnyVision is an important victory for tech justice activists and the international community in solidarity with the Palestinian people,” said MPower Change Campaign Manager Lau Barrios, This decision by Microsoft, a global leader in tech, also reinforces our belief that government, police, and military cannot be trusted with use of surveillance technology like facial recognition, which is increasingly being used in the U.S. and worldwide to monitor, surveil, and further criminalize Black, brown, immigrant, Palestinian, and Muslim communities.”

‘A huge and timely BDS victory’: Microsoft divests from Israeli tech firm AnyVision – Mondoweiss

Well done to the activists at Jewish Voice for Peace along with groups MPower Change and SumofUs ,that put the pressure on Microsoft to ditch its investment in Israeli outfit AnyVision which is involved in facial recognition technology !! :peace
 
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What a croc-o-****.

facial recognition identifies all people, not a specific group.
 
Your source is Mondoweiss which is known as one of the leading sources for antisemitic propaganda.

In every other source, such as this one:
Microsoft divests from Israeli facial-recognition startup | The Times of Israel

They note that Microsoft had an investigation into the way the Israeli government made use of AnyVision and found nothing wrong in it.
Not very convenient so I can see why a site meant for Jew haters and neo-Nazi readers would not mark that, but important to note nonetheless considering the point the OP is trying to make.

The only victory any sensible person should celebrate is that organizations such as Jewish voice for Antisemitism and BDS in general are recognized as the antisemitic KKK-style groups they are by more and more civilized countries, leaving them less and less room to operate and push their hateful agenda at.
 
What a croc-o-****.

facial recognition identifies all people, not a specific group.

It is being used in the OPTs where there are ongoing mass human rights violations and sometimes war crimes and as such the targeting of it by activists is just. Microsoft obviously thought the stigma of being associated with helping the security services that are responsible for those violations and crimes to much to bear.

Good result for the BDS and the other rights groups involved.

It's funny how people like you bemaon both violent and the none violent means to end the Israeli crimes against the Palestinians which just shows that you have a pretty entrenched and extremist position
 
Your source is Mondoweiss which is known as one of the leading sources for antisemitic propaganda.

In every other source, such as this one:
Microsoft divests from Israeli facial-recognition startup | The Times of Israel

They note that Microsoft had an investigation into the way the Israeli government made use of AnyVision and found nothing wrong in it.
Not very convenient so I can see why a site meant for Jew haters and neo-Nazi readers would not mark that, but important to note nonetheless considering the point the OP is trying to make.

The only victory any sensible person should celebrate is that organizations such as Jewish voice for Antisemitism and BDS in general are recognized as the antisemitic KKK-style groups they are by more and more civilized countries, leaving them less and less room to operate and push their hateful agenda at.

So we should only trust pro Zionist sources because they don't have an agenda lol :roll:

And , evidently , you never actually read the article from Mondoweis but just kneejerk reacted to it from a already existing dislike. Had you have read you would have seen the very thing you claim was " not mark ed " was in fact included in the article.

Looks like your claim was false and your invective filled post based on that fact basically just the hot air that accompanied it.
 
Jewish Voice For Peace Celebrate BDS "Victory"

So we should only trust pro Zionist sources because they don't have an agenda lol :roll:

And , evidently , you never actually read the article from Mondoweis but just kneejerk reacted to it from a already existing dislike. Had you have read you would have seen the very thing you claim was " not mark ed " was in fact included in the article.

Looks like your claim was false and your invective filled post based on that fact basically just the hot air that accompanied it.

It is fascinating that one of the practical implications of accurate facial recognition technology is that it actually reduces the burden of disruption on those who are ordinary people and not terrorists.

While this is a meaningless “accomplishment” by those trying to leverage BDS to destroy Israel (which as you know is the purpose of BDS), if it did have an impact on deployment of the underlying technology (which it doesn’t) it would only make things more difficult for regulars Palestinians.

Which actually fits very well into what BDS actually seems to do in practice. Moral preening type “victories” that buttress the self-inflated egos of the participants while harming the people they are purporting to serve.
 
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It is fascinating that one of the practical implications of accurate facial recognition technology is that it actually reduces the burden of disruption on those who are ordinary people and not terrorists.

Well at least there is no need for it to be used on the vast majority of Jewish terrorists suppressing rights of millions of people in the OPTs seeing as they are instantly recognizable from their military uniforms
While this is a meaningless “accomplishment” by those trying to leverage BDS to destroy Israel (which as you know is the purpose of BDS), if it did have an impact on deployment of the underlying technology (which it doesn’t) it would only make things more difficult for regulars Palestinians.

Same again. You bemoan the violent methods often engaged in by some Palestinians to free themselves from Israeli domination and subjugation but crucially the none violent means as well. Revealing.

The members of the BDS movement are both two staters and one staters concerned with stopping the mass Israeli violations of the rights of the Palestinians by employing none violent means. That's what they share in common , support for the rights of Palestinians . If Israel disappears due to it's expansionist agenda it only has itself to blame imo
Which actually fits very well into what BDS actually seems to do in practice. Moral preening type “victories” that buttress the self-inflated egos of the participants while harming the people they are purporting to serve.

Like most people here even care for the treatment of Palestinians by the state of Israel , yourself included which makes their views any better/different.
 
So we should only trust pro Zionist sources because they don't have an agenda lol :roll:

And , evidently , you never actually read the article from Mondoweis but just kneejerk reacted to it from a already existing dislike. Had you have read you would have seen the very thing you claim was " not mark ed " was in fact included in the article.

Looks like your claim was false and your invective filled post based on that fact basically just the hot air that accompanied it.

We should trust mainstream sources, not hatesites created by antisemites to spread antisemitic propaganda.

Your antisemitic source does mention the investigation of Microsoft but does not point the fact that there was no wrongdoing found in Israel's usage of the product.
Furthermore you do not mention it in your OP as well, from exactly the same reasons of propaganda and denial of reality.
 
Jewish Voice For Peace Celebrate BDS "Victory"

Well at least there is no need for it to be used on the vast majority of Jewish terrorists suppressing rights of millions of people in the OPTs seeing as they are instantly recognizable from their military uniforms


Same again. You bemoan the violent methods often engaged in by some Palestinians to free themselves from Israeli domination and subjugation but crucially the none violent means as well. Revealing.

The members of the BDS movement are both two staters and one staters concerned with stopping the mass Israeli violations of the rights of the Palestinians by employing none violent means. That's what they share in common , support for the rights of Palestinians . If Israel disappears due to it's expansionist agenda it only has itself to blame imo


Like most people here even care for the treatment of Palestinians by the state of Israel , yourself included which makes their views any better/different.

So you are saying that BDS’s views are no better than mine? Quite an endorsement of their entire operation, given what you think of me.

It’s also wrong. I’ve supported Palestinian sovereignty for a long time but recognize what needs to happen first, what isn’t actually necessary for it at all but has been tied to the cause for additional benefit, and care about Israel’s security and the safety of its people. These movements and “pro-Palestinians” generally care more about what has been tied to sovereignty (the “right of return”, which has nothing to do with sovereignty, control over all territories that were illegally occupied by Jordan and Egypt, which has nothing to do with sovereignty, and of course arming Palestinian terrorist groups, which ... speaks for itself) than they do in actually leading the Palestinians to the civil and political institutions needed for sovereignty that doesn’t immediately devolve into violent repression and outward aggression and getting them what they genuinely need to implement a peaceful vision of national sovereignty.

Who has it worse? The Palestinians or Syrians? How do you think the Palestinians are preparing not to be another Syria? Do you think that’s necessary? What are you doing in your advocacy work to help the Palestinians develop their civil, cultural and political institutions for sovereignty and to demonstrate that Israeli risks for peace won’t literally blow up in their faces like the Oslo process did?

But sure, feel morally superior for BDS efforts that cause boatload of job losses for Palestinians in real need of the work and meaningless divestitures like this which, even if they did “work”, would only reduce the success of counter terror efforts and therefore necessitate more intrusive measures to maintain security.
 
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Jewish Voice For Peace Celebrate BDS "Victory"

Same again. You bemoan the violent methods often engaged in by some Palestinians to free themselves from Israeli domination and subjugation but crucially the none violent means as well. Revealing.


I replied to the whole thing above but wanted to highlight this point.

Because it is fundamentally wrong. If I was someone working for Palestinian independence what I would do is act like it. Even with constraints from the occupation, I would do my best to mirror the steps taken by the Yishuv in light of (illegal) opposition from the British Mandate. Develop a strong, robust, political system. Invest in political, social and cultural institutions. Invest in a narrative with the people of hard work and perseverance for a better future, not in the death cult indoctrination of children. Invest in works, invest in communities, don’t syphon a massive chunk of the budget to corruption and supporting terrorists.

In other words, keep building the civil society necessary to do 3 things - 1 ensure that once independence is achieved the fate of literally every single other Arab country can be avoided and a stable, robust, open, trading democracy can be born and survive to serve the needs of the people. 2 demonstrate to the Israelis that they have nothing at all to fear from the Palestinians and that, in spite of the past, the Palestinians look forward to good relations and collaboration with Israelis in the future as equals (like India and the British, Israel and the British, etc) and 3 the demonstrate to the rest of the world that the Palestinians are actually ready for statehood and to be a positive contributor to the community of nations.

It is interesting because in certain areas they are ahead of the game as a result of the occupation (that is easily demonstrated where they perform better than the Jordanians). On education they are among the top in the Arab world. Their infrastructure is generally better than other Arab countries. And their close proximity to Israel would allow for the efficient and effective development of additional common infrastructure to relieve any bottlenecks to expansion (eg desalination).

The guy who built that Palestinian city had the right idea. Act as if you are a country engaged in good planning and responsible governance and everything else will follow. Replace all of the “refugee camps” with new cities funded by the Europeans, who love throwing money at those things. Have a real talk with the population about the causes of their situation and a real, functional, responsible plan go move forward, including deconstructing these camps, turning towards building, civil and personal growth over protesting and terrorism and conflict, and tell them what the government will do even without independence while continuing to make their case that independence on that path is inevitable.

That, more than anything, would have made the Oslo process a success, but Arafat was completely unsuited to the task. Current Palestinian political culture and institutions all act against this approach, by contrast to the Yishuv which had all of its institutions moving towards the inevitability of statehood (and a successful one, as demonstrated by history).

So all you guys who seem to really care about the Palestinians and their future, here is your path. Take it, or don’t. But don’t mistake opposing BDS nonsense, the “peaceful protests”, etc as bemoaning both violent and non-violent means of seeking independence.
 
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We should trust mainstream sources, not hatesites created by antisemites to spread antisemitic propaganda.

Your antisemitic source does mention the investigation of Microsoft but does not point the fact that there was no wrongdoing found in Israel's usage of the product.
Furthermore you do not mention it in your OP as well, from exactly the same reasons of propaganda and denial of reality.

MSM sites have their own agendas too and usually support the state/power circles seeing as their owners come from that section of society

And your claim that the article didn't " mark it " ( the investigation ) was clearly false wasn't it? Proving you hadn't in fact read it , correct ?

from the article

In November 2019, Microsoft hired former United States Attorney General Eric Holder (and his team at Covington & Burling) to conduct an audit on AnyVision to determine whether the company practices were in line with Microsoft’s ethical principles. The findings concluded that the technology is used at border crossing checkpoints, but that the company “does not currently power a mass surveillance program in the West Bank that has been alleged in media reports.”

Not only does it mention it , it also gives the name of the guy charged with carrying out the investigation and the company name and a conclusion quote from the actual report , correct ?

Virtually the exact same information that you claim only MSM sources give. In fact the same information and quotes were found in both. Weird no ?

Obviously your claims and charges are to be treated with , at the very least , caution.
 
MSM sites have their own agendas too and usually support the state/power circles seeing as their owners come from that section of society

And your claim that the article didn't " mark it " ( the investigation ) was clearly false wasn't it? Proving you hadn't in fact read it , correct ?

from the article



Not only does it mention it , it also gives the name of the guy charged with carrying out the investigation and the company name and a conclusion quote from the actual report , correct ?

Virtually the exact same information that you claim only MSM sources give. In fact the same information and quotes were found in both. Weird no ?

Obviously your claims and charges are to be treated with , at the very least , caution.

MSM news outlets are considerably less biased than outright hatesites designed entirely to spread racism.

It was already noted; the antisemitic source notes the investigation taking place but did not state that there was no wrongdoing found.
"Does not currently power a mass surveillance program" is not quite the same as "no wrongdoing found".
Your OP was missing that part too, for the obvious reasons.
 
Well done Microsoft and I hope more companies and individuals follow Microsoft's lead. BDS should not be about destroying the State of Israel, which like any country should be allowed to exist. BDS should be about stopping the Israeli State and some Israelis from destroying the possibility of a full and sovereign Palestinian state on the pre-1967 borders with mutually agreed to and limited land swaps excluding illegally settled Israeli settlements in the Palestinian Occupied Territories which must be abandoned by the squatting settlers. If the State of Israel had a right to be formed in 1948 and to exist then, now and into the future, then so does a Palestinian State have a right to form and exist in the Levant on the Occupied Territories without Israeli interference.

Change the ultimate goals of BDS from destruction to creation but keep and grow the movement until the State of Israel is compelled by economic isolation to stop preventing the Palestinians from self-determination in what's left (pre-1967 lines) of their pre-1948 homeland.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
MSM news outlets are considerably less biased than outright hatesites designed entirely to spread racism.

It was already noted; the antisemitic source notes the investigation taking place but did not state that there was no wrongdoing found.
"Does not currently power a mass surveillance program" is not quite the same as "no wrongdoing found".
Your OP was missing that part too, for the obvious reasons.

Well, let's put this ongoing nonsense to bed.

Nowhere in the link YOU supplied and told everyone to follow because of its supposed reliability is there any link to the summary of the investigation in the joint statement released by the two companies. And there's very good reason for that.................. it doesn't actually say " no wrongdoing was found " :roll:

The link I supplied gives a link to the the joint statement so people can verify any quotes taken from it and your source is the one that has been caught out inventing one :roll:

Here is the link provided by Mondoweis to the joint release about the results of the audit commissioned by Microsoft and nowhere is that quote to be seen

M12 News | Portfolio & Microsoft's Venture Fund Stories

Interesting points are made in the text but nothing you or your ( reliable ? ) source claims. like.." limited review"....." legal restrictions "....." sensitive information " blah blah

Out of the two sources I would say , based on the above evidence, that the Mondowies article has way more credibility than the Israeli propaganda rag you chose to cite. A source that has , it seems , invented it's own quote and provides the reader no means to verify it.
 
Well, let's put this ongoing nonsense to bed.

Nowhere in the link YOU supplied and told everyone to follow because of its supposed reliability is there any link to the summary of the investigation in the joint statement released by the two companies. And there's very good reason for that.................. it doesn't actually say " no wrongdoing was found " :roll:

The link I supplied gives a link to the the joint statement so people can verify any quotes taken from it and your source is the one that has been caught out inventing one :roll:

Here is the link provided by Mondoweis to the joint release about the results of the audit commissioned by Microsoft and nowhere is that quote to be seen

M12 News | Portfolio & Microsoft's Venture Fund Stories

Interesting points are made in the text but nothing you or your ( reliable ? ) source claims. like.." limited review"....." legal restrictions "....." sensitive information " blah blah

Out of the two sources I would say , based on the above evidence, that the Mondowies article has way more credibility than the Israeli propaganda rag you chose to cite. A source that has , it seems , invented it's own quote and provides the reader no means to verify it.


You didn't even read that did you.

Facial recognition is used all over,, in stores, in hotspots where crime is rampant.
and yes for terrorist activity.
 
Well, let's put this ongoing nonsense to bed.

Nowhere in the link YOU supplied and told everyone to follow because of its supposed reliability is there any link to the summary of the investigation in the joint statement released by the two companies. And there's very good reason for that.................. it doesn't actually say " no wrongdoing was found " :roll:

The link I supplied gives a link to the the joint statement so people can verify any quotes taken from it and your source is the one that has been caught out inventing one :roll:

Here is the link provided by Mondoweis to the joint release about the results of the audit commissioned by Microsoft and nowhere is that quote to be seen

M12 News | Portfolio & Microsoft's Venture Fund Stories

Interesting points are made in the text but nothing you or your ( reliable ? ) source claims. like.." limited review"....." legal restrictions "....." sensitive information " blah blah

Out of the two sources I would say , based on the above evidence, that the Mondowies article has way more credibility than the Israeli propaganda rag you chose to cite. A source that has , it seems , invented it's own quote and provides the reader no means to verify it.

"No breach of the Microsoft Global Finance Portfoilio Company Pledge on Facial Recognition found".

Mondoweiss, a website created for the purpose of spreading antisemitism and serving terror supporters and neo-Nazis, is not mentioning this line, only the line before it. MSM news sources mention that line.

Your OP is also missing that line.

The purpose of the OP is to try and portray Israel's actions as wrong and suggest that pressure from antisemitic groups against a global firm stopped its support for actions that were wrong and criminal. That is not the case. The actions were not wrong and criminal.
You were hiding the information that finds no fault in the usage of the AnyVision product by the Israeli government because your agenda requires the denial of reality.

We should always prefer the reliability of MSM news sources over that of hatesites created by antisemites for antisemites.
 
You didn't even read that did you.

Facial recognition is used all over,, in stores, in hotspots where crime is rampant.
and yes for terrorist activity.

If Canada was using facial recognition cameras to watch US citizens and track their movements you would be up in arms about the invasion of your privacy by a neighbouring state.............. you just don't think people should apply that to others they don't like ?.

A shop has it's own space and can record in that space, same with a state but when it comes to the security forces of a neighbouring state tracking people using FRT from a different state/territory altogether , especially when those security forces are engaged in an occuaption and supression of the rights of those people anyway , it should be rejected in the views of any people that respect civil liberties and fear the Orwellian world of the tracking of everyone in the society by state security outfits.


I don't recall you challenging/rejecting the Israeli decision to ban cameras/censor footage when it applied to the filming of Israeli occupation forces currently violating the rights of millions of Palestinians in the OPTs.

The only conclusion is that you apply different standards based on who you like/support and who you don't
 
So we should only trust pro Zionist sources because they don't have an agenda lol :roll:

And , evidently , you never actually read the article from Mondoweis but just kneejerk reacted to it from a already existing dislike. Had you have read you would have seen the very thing you claim was " not mark ed " was in fact included in the article.

Looks like your claim was false and your invective filled post based on that fact basically just the hot air that accompanied it.

Those deluded people who hate Jews are on the wrong side of God.
 
"No breach of the Microsoft Global Finance Portfoilio Company Pledge on Facial Recognition found".

Mondoweiss, a website created for the purpose of spreading antisemitism and serving terror supporters and neo-Nazis, is not mentioning this line, only the line before it. MSM news sources mention that line.

Your OP is also missing that line.

The purpose of the OP is to try and portray Israel's actions as wrong and suggest that pressure from antisemitic groups against a global firm stopped its support for actions that were wrong and criminal. That is not the case. The actions were not wrong and criminal.
You were hiding the information that finds no fault in the usage of the AnyVision product by the Israeli government because your agenda requires the denial of reality.

We should always prefer the reliability of MSM news sources over that of hatesites created by antisemites for antisemites.


Just to carry on with this poor showing from your source............

As to the line.......

"No breach of the Microsoft Global Finance Portfoilio Company Pledge on Facial Recognition found".

the actual line, that only the Mondowies article linked to states this

" could not substantiate " the claims about any actions violating Microsofts ethical standards WITH the qualifiers I have already given that you have chosen to ignore. so here they are again about the review it was carried out within " legal restrictions " and " sensitive information " which " limited the review "...........all quotes courtesy of Mondoweis link to the joint statement that was absent from your preferred link.

In total the Mondoweis article gives 5 links to relevant information, from the NBC site that made some allegations , to the joint statement from Microsoft and AnyVision, to the ethical guidelines of Microsift itself etc etc so people could verify for themselves what was authentic/ relevant , accurate etc etc

You know how many links were in your Times of Israel article ?........NONE. Not a single solitary one. It mentioned NOTHING about the restrictions that limited the review or anything about the other stuff not related to the charge of a mass surveilance project.


So your first claim ,that the Mondoweis article doesn't mention this ,was wrong.

The wording of the article you cited is not exactly accurate and omits the fact that legal restrictions and sensitive information left the audit " limited "

The article you cited contains ZERO links for anyone wishing to verify what is being claimed and the Mondoweis artilce gives FIVE

Thus ,your argument that your source is somehow more credible is laughable
 
Those deluded people who hate Jews are on the wrong side of God.

People shout Jew hater all the time , it doesn't mean it is true. It might well be that it is just convenient.
 
People shout Jew hater all the time , it doesn't mean it is true. It might well be that it is just convenient.

At least Trump did what no president was able to do for decades. He had the American embassy moved to Jerusalem. Thank God.
 
Just to carry on with this poor showing from your source............

As to the line.......

"No breach of the Microsoft Global Finance Portfoilio Company Pledge on Facial Recognition found".

the actual line, that only the Mondowies article linked to states this

" could not substantiate " the claims about any actions violating Microsofts ethical standards WITH the qualifiers I have already given that you have chosen to ignore. so here they are again about the review it was carried out within " legal restrictions " and " sensitive information " which " limited the review "...........all quotes courtesy of Mondoweis link to the joint statement that was absent from your preferred link.

In total the Mondoweis article gives 5 links to relevant information, from the NBC site that made some allegations , to the joint statement from Microsoft and AnyVision, to the ethical guidelines of Microsift itself etc etc so people could verify for themselves what was authentic/ relevant , accurate etc etc

You know how many links were in your Times of Israel article ?........NONE. Not a single solitary one. It mentioned NOTHING about the restrictions that limited the review or anything about the other stuff not related to the charge of a mass surveilance project.


So your first claim ,that the Mondoweis article doesn't mention this ,was wrong.

The wording of the article you cited is not exactly accurate and omits the fact that legal restrictions and sensitive information left the audit " limited "

The article you cited contains ZERO links for anyone wishing to verify what is being claimed and the Mondoweis artilce gives FIVE

Thus ,your argument that your source is somehow more credible is laughable

Could not substantiate carries the same meaning as could not find, the desperation is clear here.

Why did you not mention that an investigation found nothing wrong with Israel's usage of the product in your OP?
 
At least Trump did what no president was able to do for decades. He had the American embassy moved to Jerusalem. Thank God.

:roll:
 
Could not substantiate carries the same meaning as could not find, the desperation is clear here.

Why did you not mention that an investigation found nothing wrong with Israel's usage of the product in your OP?

Why did you accuse Mondowies of not mentioning what it in fact did mention?

Why don't you acknowledge that the Mondoweis article gives 5 links to relevant information but your own gives, precisely , zero ?

Why didn't I put it in the OP ?

Because the criteria was to find out whether the claims of a mass surveilance operation was in place that would be a breach of microsofts ethical policies in an already acknowledged limited/restricted review. That doesn't equate to confirmation that no other wrong doings where found or suspected.

If nothing was wrong or they didn't suspect anything outside of the allegation of a mass surveilance programme one wonders why they decided to scrap the partnership and shift to " commercial " ones that offered better options for Microsoft overview/accountability ?

AS every sensible person recognizes ,when it comes to state security activities quite often the truth is beyond reach due to " legal reasons "... " sensitive information "...." national security " etc etc and only whistleblowers offer us the chance to see and understand state /corporate wrongdoings
 
If Canada was using facial recognition cameras to watch US citizens and track their movements you would be up in arms about the invasion of your privacy by a neighbouring state.............. you just don't think people should apply that to others they don't like ?.

A shop has it's own space and can record in that space, same with a state but when it comes to the security forces of a neighbouring state tracking people using FRT from a different state/territory altogether , especially when those security forces are engaged in an occuaption and supression of the rights of those people anyway , it should be rejected in the views of any people that respect civil liberties and fear the Orwellian world of the tracking of everyone in the society by state security outfits.


I don't recall you challenging/rejecting the Israeli decision to ban cameras/censor footage when it applied to the filming of Israeli occupation forces currently violating the rights of millions of Palestinians in the OPTs.

The only conclusion is that you apply different standards based on who you like/support and who you don't

Well that’s not true. The Americans should be using facial recognition at airports. If it could make things faster and less intrusive, there would be zero downside for people who have nothing to worry about, and safer for the rest of us if those with something to worry about stay away.

But yes, there should be different standards for the Israelis and the Palestinians. The Palestinians launched and lost a terror war against Israel’s civilian population because they didn’t want to accept a peace deal offered to them that they didn’t think was good enough.
 
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