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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    None of that made any sense.
    You don't understand that the decent people of the world see the old " might is right " justification for war and plunderering of people with all of the atrocities that go with that as abhorrent ? That they don't support it and think that the laws states have signed up to should be used to try to stop the outdated concepts that defined the age of empire/colonial rule ?

    Wow.


    The Americas were stolen. Every inch of them. I am living on stolen land. What do I do about that? I can't "go back to where I came from" because I was born here. Ownership has NEVER been static. We have to deal with reality, and Israel is as real as every country in the Americas. If its neighbors were to acknowledge that, things would start to improve for EVERYBODY immediately.
    Correct wrt the Americas, so you appear to be against land acquisition through warfare in the above but then support it when it is Jews taking land off Arabs and denying them their right to self determination.

    The age you speak of is precisely why decent people are opposed to might being right and work to stop what was accepted in the age of empires and colonial rule. The time you are referring to btw. And yet here you are in the modern age supporting settler colonialism that is illegal under international law. Have you any idea how ridiculous a position that is to hold ?
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    ... war and plundering of people with all of the atrocities that go with that ...
    This in a nutshell is how you represent Israel, and you always will. Bye now.
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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    This in a nutshell is how you represent Israel, and you always will. Bye now.
    Nope , that's how Israel represents itself and worse still that reflects badly on world Jewry imo , many of whom are against it's actions/policies themselves but are wrongly associated with the crimes it commits.

    Israel isn't on it's own though, there are also many other state terrorists committing barbarous acts of violence

    BTW..... "And yet here you are in the modern age supporting settler colonialism that is illegal under international law. Have you any idea how ridiculous a position that is to hold ? ".... was just too difficult for you to respond to ?
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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Nope , that's how Israel represents itself and worse still that reflects badly on world Jewry imo , many of whom are against it's actions/policies themselves but are wrongly associated with the crimes it commits.

    Israel isn't on it's own though, there are also many other state terrorists committing barbarous acts of violence

    BTW..... "And yet here you are in the modern age supporting settler colonialism that is illegal under international law. Have you any idea how ridiculous a position that is to hold ? ".... was just too difficult for you to respond to ?
    Reflects badly on world jewry?.... care to rephrase that one? Mayhaps a freudian slip?
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    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Reflects badly on world jewry?.... care to rephrase that one? Mayhaps a freudian slip?
    No problem, what Israel does wrt crimes/terrorism/HRs abuses , atrocities reflects badly on the entire Jewish population of the world . It is the reason why more and more US progressive Jews are trying to distance themselves from the gross actions committed by the Jewish state in their name. If some political movement in Latin America took power somewhere and announced they represented the Catholic people of the world, a nation state of Catholicism their actions would be used to judge Catholics everywhere , rightly or wrongly that's how these things play out.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    No problem, what Israel does wrt crimes/terrorism/HRs abuses , atrocities reflects badly on the entire Jewish population of the world . It is the reason why more and more US progressive Jews are trying to distance themselves from the gross actions committed by the Jewish state in their name. If some political movement in Latin America took power somewhere and announced they represented the Catholic people of the world, a nation state of Catholicism their actions would be used to judge Catholics everywhere , rightly or wrongly that's how these things play out.
    No no. World jewry doesnt exist, that is specifically a nazi term.


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    No no. World jewry doesnt exist, that is specifically a nazi term.
    I don't accept that it is and used the term to refer to the global Jewish population. If you want to think I am typing this in a SS uniform that's your choice
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I don't accept that it is and used the term to refer to the global Jewish population. If you want to think I am typing this in a SS uniform that's your choice
    Hey if ya want to double down not my problem but thats what it is.


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Hey if ya want to double down not my problem but thats what it is.
    So to you there is no such thing as a world Jewish population and/or to refer to one as world Jewry makes you a Nazi ?

    As I said, you can think or believe what you want to but if what you are inferring is true you will have thousands of posts of mine here to refer to with which to make the case or not.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Re: Why Fatah and Hamas have lost the right to speak for the Palestinians

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I don't see anyone here advocating an arms embargo on the state terrorist on the Israeli side.

    You seem to think that a virtually defenceless people should be slaughtered and abused , year in year out , by the state terrorists of a vastly superior hitech military machine that is replenished and updated every year so as to be able to inflict more and more death and destruction on that defencless and trapped population around half of which are kids.

    So don't have the temerity to try to lecture me on who should and who shouldn't be armed as though you have some kind of moral argument backing you up because you haven't.
    You just proved my point .
    As I said no one else here came anywhere close to your radical view about arming terror organization.
    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    As for arming the Palestinians , including Hamas , well yep.

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