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Hamas hemmed in - Egypt

Fledermaus

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Egypt begins building concrete wall along Gaza border

GAZA CITY — Egypt has begun building a concrete wall along its border with the Gaza Strip, AFP journalists and a Palestinian security official from the Hamas terror group said Wednesday.

Dozens of workers aided by cranes could be seen erecting the structure, which will stretch some three kilometers (two miles) from Gaza’s southeastern tip at Karem Shalom to the Rafah crossing with Egypt, the only gateway out of Gaza that does not lead into Israel.

The wall is being built along the lines of an old, lower barrier that includes an underground structure designed to curb smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt.

Egypt begins building concrete wall along Gaza border | The Times of Israel
 
Fledermaus:

Finishing the walls of the world's largest open air prison, perhaps? It's a bitter irony that most of the people enclosed in there have done nothing wrong. However with The State of Israel planning to annex parts of the West Bank Occupied Territories and with the discussion in Israel of dumping non-cooperative West Bank Palestinians into Gaza, I can see why the Egyptian Regime is walling off the frontier with bigger walls.

Humanity is in short supply among the el-Sisi Egyptian, Gaza-Hamas Palestinian and Likud-Israeli political leaderships. A pox on all three governments. I hope they all fall and that their leaders suffer grevious consequences.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus:

Finishing the walls of the world's largest open air prison, perhaps? It's a bitter irony that most of the people enclosed in there have done nothing wrong. However with The State of Israel planning to annex parts of the West Bank Occupied Territories and with the discussion in Israel of dumping non-cooperative West Bank Palestinians into Gaza, I can see why the Egyptian Regime is walling off the frontier with bigger walls.

Humanity is in short supply among the el-Sisi Egyptian, Gaza-Hamas Palestinian and Likud-Israeli political leaderships. A pox on all three governments. I hope they all fall and that their leaders suffer grevious consequences.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

The vast majority of (enter name of any nation at war or other struggle in through the centuries) tend to pay for the acts of their government/leaders/dictator.

Last time I checked the crossings were closed on the Egyptian side for the same reasons the Israeli side have been closed in the past. To keep Hamas in and prevent the smuggling of weapons and other contraband into Gaza.
 
The vast majority of (enter name of any nation at war or other struggle in through the centuries) tend to pay for the acts of their government/leaders/dictator.

Last time I checked the crossings were closed on the Egyptian side for the same reasons the Israeli side have been closed in the past. To keep Hamas in and prevent the smuggling of weapons and other contraband into Gaza.

Fledermaus:

So what? Cynicism should not be used to excuse atrocity, ever. Man kinds inhumanity to man is no excuse for perpetuating the inhumanity. Better to figure out humane ways to improve the situation rather than excuses to perpetuate it.

Sorry. That statement is toxic to too many innocent souls to go unchallenged.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus:

So what? Cynicism should not be used to excuse atrocity, ever. Man kinds inhumanity to man is no excuse for perpetuating the inhumanity. Better to figure out humane ways to improve the situation rather than excuses to perpetuate it.

Sorry. That statement is toxic to too many innocent souls to go unchallenged.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Stopping the flow of terror weapons is an "atrocity" ?

Really?
 
Stopping the flow of terror weapons is an "atrocity" ?

Really?

No. Perpetuating the conditions and desperation which create the need for terror is the atrocity. The el-Sisi Regime is killing thousands in Sinai on its side of the fence, Hamas is killing inside the walls and the State of Israel is killing Palestinians on and from its side of the wall. Cut off the flow of all weapons to all three bad actors and squeeze them hard to make a peace that all can live with without killing their neighbours. Don't just punish one felon, punish them all.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
No. Perpetuating the conditions and desperation which create the need for terror is the atrocity. The el-Sisi Regime is killing thousands in Sinai on its side of the fence, Hamas is killing inside the walls and the State of Israel is killing Palestinians on its side of the wall. Cut off the flow of all weapons to all three bad actors and squeeze them hard to make a peace that all can live with. Don't just punish one felon, punish them all.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I say to you now the lion's share of the "conditions and desperation" in Gaza is of Palestinian making.

They legitimately and through smuggling bring building materials into Gaza. Much is siphoned off by Hamas to make tunnels.

They legitimately brought irrigation materials into Gaza. Until Israel realized it was used to make rockets.

Foreign aid was rolling in to Gaza. Until Hamas took their "share" and aid dried up because it was used for terror attacks.

The Grad and other military rockets, mortars and guns cost money. Hamas bleeds the aid even more.

Just recently Israel has opened the border to thousands of Gaza workers... There used to be 100,000+ Gaza workers... Then Hamas.

Yeah... Them Evil Israelis....
 
I say to you now the lion's share of the "conditions and desperation" in Gaza is of Palestinian making.

They legitimately and through smuggling bring building materials into Gaza. Much is siphoned off by Hamas to make tunnels.

They legitimately brought irrigation materials into Gaza. Until Israel realized it was used to make rockets.

Foreign aid was rolling in to Gaza. Until Hamas took their "share" and aid dried up because it was used for terror attacks.

The Grad and other military rockets, mortars and guns cost money. Hamas bleeds the aid even more.

Just recently Israel has opened the border to thousands of Gaza workers... There used to be 100,000+ Gaza workers... Then Hamas.

Yeah... Them Evil Israelis....

Fledermaus:

Are the Palestinians killing thousands of Egyptians in Sinai? No, that's on the el-Sisi Regime which is doing it with American weapon systems bought from the USA.

Who blew up so much infrastructure and so many buildings in Gaza in 2008-9 and again in 2014 using weapon systems purchased from America? Who continues to wreck infrastructure since 2014? Is it not a waste to rebuild things which the State of Israel will simply blow up again? From a Palestinian militant's point of view it makes more sense to build weapons for resistance/terrorism than it does to rebuild more targets for the Israeli military to destroy repeatedly. The Palestinians militants are not the only bad actors in this three-way tragedy, but they are certainly one of them. And America is stirring this cauldron for its own interests.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus:

Are the Palestinians killing thousands of Egyptians in Sinai? No, that's on the el-Sisi Regime which is doing it with American weapon systems bought from the USA.

Who blew up so much infrastructure and so many buildings in Gaza in 2008-9 and again in 2014 using weapon systems purchased from America? Who continues to wreck infrastructure since 2014? Is it not a waste to rebuild things which the State of Israel will simply blow up again? From a Palestinian militant's point of view it makes more sense to build weapons for resistance/terrorism than it does to rebuild more targets for the Israeli military to destroy repeatedly. The Palestinians militants are not the only bad actors in this three-way tragedy, but they are certainly one of them. And America is stirring this cauldron for its own interests.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Nice try. American made weapons.

Hmmmmm

The Egyptian army (as with most in the area) is armed primarily with Soviet small arms, artillery, etc. The only thing made by the US that in large supply are tanks. The rest of the non Soviet arms were European, local manufacture and even North Korean....

It does not bode well when you start with something so incorrect.

As to what got blown up over a decade ago there has been a decade of not repairing… And what was destroyed in 2014 has seen almost six years of not repairing.

Blame their intransigence on the Israelis...? It doesn't fly.
 
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Nice try. American made weapons.

Hmmmmm

The Egyptian army (as with most in the area) is armed primarily with Soviet small arms, artillery, etc. The only thing made by the US that in large supply are tanks. The rest of the non Soviet arms were European, local manufacture and even North Korean....

It does not bode well when you start with something so incorrect.

As to what got blown up over a decade ago there has been a decade of not repairing… And what was destroyed in 2014 has seen almost six years of not repairing.

Blame their intransigence on the Israelis...? It doesn't fly.

Your wrong about the Egyptian military. American tanks, SP Arty, APCs, mobile MRLS systems, Armoured Cars, Destroyers, Helicopters, Attack Helicopters, Multi-role Aircraft, etc. All predominantly American Kit and much of it is subsidised by the US Government.

Egypt - Army Navy Air Force | budget, equipment, personnel

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Your wrong about the Egyptian military. American tanks, SP Arty, APCs, mobile MRLS systems, Armoured Cars, Destroyers, Helicopters, Attack Helicopters, Multi-role Aircraft, etc. All predominantly American Kit and much of it is subsidised by the US Government.

Egypt - Army Navy Air Force | budget, equipment, personnel

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

They have handfuls and bits...

And Russian weapons (except for tanks) are the majority.

Aircraft are a mish-mash of Russian, Chinese, American, Euro aircraft and helicopters....

The Navy? A few frigates and missile boats. The rest Russian and French primarily.
 
They have handfuls and bits...

And Russian weapons (except for tanks) are the majority.

Aircraft are a mish-mash of Russian, Chinese, American, Euro aircraft and helicopters....

The Navy? A few frigates and missile boats. The rest Russian and French primarily.

Did you look at the source I linked to? 220 F-16s, 4 OH Perry destroyers, many AH-64 Gunships, Hueys and Chinnoks galore, M-113s by the thousands and Dutch variants of same produced under American license in Egypt, M109 and Paladin SPGs, and so much more. This ain't the 1980's anymore.

Look at the numbers in the link I gave you.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Stopping the flow of terror weapons is an "atrocity" ?

Really?

For some who have their entire world revolve around the joy they get from the murder of innocents it certainly is.
 
Did you look at the source I linked to? 220 F-16s, 4 OH Perry destroyers, many AH-64 Gunships, Hueys and Chinnoks galore, M-113s by the thousands and Dutch variants of same produced under American license in Egypt, M109 and Paladin SPGs, and so much more. This ain't the 1980's anymore.

Look at the numbers in the link I gave you.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Please refer to your own source. 4 OHP frigates, a few missile boats and practically every thing else French or Russian.

220 F-16 vs 240+ of other makes and origins.

46 Apache while hundreds of other models to include Kamov 50 and other dual role assault helo such as the Mil series and the 80+ Gazelles

Small arms almost all Russian. Ditto hand held and crew served.

Helicopters.. Kamovs are American? Mi-8s?

From the sounds of it a special strike force of only American equipped military personnel struck the Palestinians.

Have you any evidence it was US equipment only?
 
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Fledermaus:

Are the Palestinians killing thousands of Egyptians in Sinai? No, that's on the el-Sisi Regime which is doing it with American weapon systems bought from the USA.

Who blew up so much infrastructure and so many buildings in Gaza in 2008-9 and again in 2014 using weapon systems purchased from America? Who continues to wreck infrastructure since 2014? Is it not a waste to rebuild things which the State of Israel will simply blow up again? From a Palestinian militant's point of view it makes more sense to build weapons for resistance/terrorism than it does to rebuild more targets for the Israeli military to destroy repeatedly. The Palestinians militants are not the only bad actors in this three-way tragedy, but they are certainly one of them. And America is stirring this cauldron for its own interests.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

This el-Sisi Regime ?

Egypt also criticised the IDF operation in the Gaza Strip as "oppressive policies of mass punishment rejecting 'the irresponsible Israeli escalation' in the occupied Palestinian territory, which comes in the form of 'excessive' and unnecessary use of military force leading to the death of innocent civilians." It also demanded Israel adopt self-restraint and to keep in mind that being an "occupation force", it has a legal and moral duty to protect civilian lives.[145]

After Egypt proposed an initiative for a ceasefire later accepted by Israel and rejected by Hamas, the Sisi administration urged the world to intervene and stop the crisis when it stated that its ceasefire efforts have been met with "obstinacy and stubbornness".[146] Egypt also hosted several meetings with both Israeli and Palestinian officials in Cairo to mediate a ceasefire. President Sisi also ordered the Egyptian Armed Forces to transport 500 tons of aid, consisting of food and medical supplies, to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. A statement was also released by the military saying that Egypt is pursuing its efforts to "stop the Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip" under the president's supervision.[147][148] The conflict ended with an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire on 26 August 2014.



Egypt also hosted the international donor conference in Cairo aiming to raise 4 billion (3.2 billion euros) to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.[149] Sisi described the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict as a great chance to end the 66-year-old conflict calling on Israel to reach a peace deal with the Palestinians and saying "I call on the Israeli people and the government: now is the time to end the conflict ... so that prosperity prevails, so that we all can have peace and security".[149] Sisi mainly blames the Israeli–Palestinian conflict for the extremism in the Middle East describing it as a "fertile environment for the growth and spread of extremism, violence and terrorism".[150] Sisi also promised that Egypt would guarantee Palestine would not violate the peace treaty when reached expressing Egypt's willingness to deploy Egyptian observer forces in the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[151]

Sisi also stipulated that the Palestinian Authority would take power in the Gaza Strip in future peace plans and conditioned an easing of transit restrictions at the Rafah checkpoint on the presence of a force from the Palestinian Authority's Presidential Guard being stationed on the Gaza side of the crossing[152] as the Sisi administration considers Hamas an enemy, blaming them for the killing of 16 Egyptian soldiers in 2012 and over the alleged involvement in the prisons' storming in the wake of Egyptian Revolution of 2011.[153]


Abdel Fattah el-Sisi - Wikipedia
 
Please refer to your own source. 4 OHP frigates, a few missile boats and practically every thing else French or Russian.

220 F-16 vs 240+ of other makes and origins.

46 Apache while hundreds of other models to include Kamov 50 and other dual role assault helo such as the Mil series and the 80+ Gazelles

Small arms almost all Russian. Ditto hand held and crew served.

Helicopters.. Kamovs are American? Mi-8s?

From the sounds of it a special strike force of only American equipped military personnel struck the Palestinians.

Have you any evidence it was US equipment only?

Fledermaus, you've lost me here, bolded. I said the el-Sisi Regime was attacking Egyptians in Sinai, not Palestinians in Gaza. That having been said, the Egyptians are using Gage Commando armoured cars and M-113s in large numbers in Sinai. This from the newsreel footage I have watched.

As to the degree of US kit in the Egyptian Armed Forces, the numbers have been presented and that should be enough.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus, you've lost me here, bolded. I said the el-Sisi Regime was attacking Egyptians in Sinai, not Palestinians in Gaza. That having been said, the Egyptians are using Gage Commando armoured cars and M-113s in large numbers in Sinai. This from the newsreel footage I have watched.

As to the degree of US kit in the Egyptian Armed Forces, the numbers have been presented and that should be enough.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

It appears you do not understand the numbers.

If X bits of "US kit" is outnumbered by Y bits from around the world then "US kit" is not a majority.

OK, I stand corrected corrected. Egyptians in Egypt killing other Egyptian.

So.... These thousands of Egyptians.... Are you speaking of the Sinai insurgency?

They were killed by special US ONLY units... Eh?

BTW - M-113s are essentially taxis on the battlefield. They must be mentioned because..... US?

Not the thousands of other actual weapons.
 
Fledermaus:

I understand the numbers. However I don't want to hijack your thread further than I already have. So I'll let you be on American kit unless you give me permission to present the numbers fully, which will take quite a few posts.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus:

I understand the numbers. However I don't want to hijack your thread further than I already have. So I'll let you be on American kit unless you give me permission to present the numbers fully, which will take quite a few posts.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I asked a question.

Are you speaking of the Sinai insurgency?

And why is it so important for you to tie US aid to fighting the insurgents?
 
I asked a question.

Are you speaking of the Sinai insurgency?

And why is it so important for you to tie US aid to fighting the insurgents?

Fledermaus:

Yes I am taking about the Sinai Insurrgency. It is not just a straight up ISIL inspired Insurrgency. The Egyptian State it forcibly removing (and often killing) Palestinians who fled to Egypt long ago, from land they have owned since the late 1950's and 1960's. Since Egyptian law was changed in the 1970's, (1976 IIRC) Palestinians are barred from owning or buying any new land and thus the Sinai Palestinians have their backs against the wall, quite literally. More land is being expropriated from Palestinians along the frontier for the purposes of expanding the walls and the security zones.

Furthermore the Egyptian Armed forces in their struggle with militants are using both ground and air attacks against entire villages and small towns to great destructive and lethal effect where they suspect some locals might be aiding the insurgents. That's collective punishment which is a war crime since the late 1940's.

US and other foreign military aid to Egypt, Israel and Palestinian militants is the fuel keeping the violence going. So that is the aid which needs to be cut along with financial aid for military expenditures too. The US is the biggest supplier of military aid to the State of Israel and has become the biggest supplier of military aid to Egypt over the last 20+ years. Arab states and Iran are the biggest contributors of arms and money to buy arms for Palestinian militants. Therefore if you are going to stop this process of arming and killing you have to interdict American and Arab/Iranian arms supplies to the region. Arab/Iranian military and financial aid is fuelling non-state actor terrorism and US military and financial aid is the biggest slice of military aid fuelling state-terrorism. That's the tie in.

All these lines of supply must be severed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus:

Yes I am taking about the Sinai Insurrgency. It is not just a straight up ISIL inspired Insurrgency. The Egyptian State it forcibly removing (and often killing) Palestinians who fled to Egypt long ago, from land they have owned since the late 1950's and 1960's. Since Egyptian law was changed in the 1970's, (1976 IIRC) Palestinians are barred from owning or buying any new land and thus the Sinai Palestinians have their backs against the wall, quite literally. More land is being expropriated from Palestinians along the frontier for the purposes of expanding the walls and the security zones.

Furthermore the Egyptian Armed forces in their struggle with militants are using both ground and air attacks against entire villages and small towns to great destructive and lethal effect where they suspect some locals might be aiding the insurgents. That's collective punishment which is a war crime since the late 1940's.

US and other foreign military aid to Egypt, Israel and Palestinian militants is the fuel keeping the violence going. So that is the aid which needs to be cut along with financial aid for military expenditures too. The US is the biggest supplier of military aid to the State of Israel and has become the biggest supplier of military aid to Egypt over the last 20+ years. Arab states and Iran are the biggest contributors of arms and money to buy arms for Palestinian militants. Therefore if you are going to stop this process of arming and killing you have to interdict American and Arab/Iranian arms supplies to the region. Arab/Iranian military and financial aid is fuelling non-state actor terrorism and US military and financial aid is the biggest slice of military aid fuelling state-terrorism. That's the tie in.

All these lines of supply must be severed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Now you are pinballing. I spoke about the Palestinians and you tell me you were referring to Egyptians. I ask about Egyptians and now you want to talk about Palestinians....

Unless the Egyptians suddenly began their oppression of the Palestinians in recent years the fact the US trades armaments with Egypt is pretty much irrelevant.

In fact it is irrelevant.

It matters zero whether the bullet striking down a Palestinian is 5.56mm or 7.62x39.

It is the government ordering and sanctioning the act of shooting the Palestinian.

You simply want another bully pulpit from which to malign the US for the actions of others. You don't even care that the lion's share of weapons are not US made. It is shifting, but still Soviet surplus and French.

Now as to the Insurgency. Like Syria there were a wide range of players. Like Syria Soviet tactics are used.

Like it or not the majority of North Africa and the Middle East military care far less than the US, Israel or you do about civilian casualties.

But please.... Blame the US for what the EGYPTIAN pilot does.

.
 
Now you are pinballing. I spoke about the Palestinians and you tell me you were referring to Egyptians. I ask about Egyptians and now you want to talk about Palestinians....

Unless the Egyptians suddenly began their oppression of the Palestinians in recent years the fact the US trades armaments with Egypt is pretty much irrelevant.

In fact it is irrelevant.

It matters zero whether the bullet striking down a Palestinian is 5.56mm or 7.62x39.

It is the government ordering and sanctioning the act of shooting the Palestinian.

You simply want another bully pulpit from which to malign the US for the actions of others. You don't even care that the lion's share of weapons are not US made. It is shifting, but still Soviet surplus and French.

Now as to the Insurgency. Like Syria there were a wide range of players. Like Syria Soviet tactics are used.

Like it or not the majority of North Africa and the Middle East military care far less than the US, Israel or you do about civilian casualties.

But please.... Blame the US for what the EGYPTIAN pilot does.

.

Fledermaus:

You asked me about whether I was talking about the Sinai insurgency. I said yes and then described what the State of Egypt and its military were doing in Sinai. The Palestinian diaspora settlers in Sinai are some of the people being attacked by the Egyptian Armed Forces, along with Egyptian militants and Egyptians caught in the middle. I described all three groups in response to your question. There was no pin-balling.

If it "matters zero" whether the bullet striking down a Palestinian is of American origin or not, then why does it matter that an IED set by Iraqi militants in Iraq which kills or wounds American servicemen is of Iranian origin or not? It does matter in both cases.

The Egyptians are killing innocent people with arms supplied from your country. That should be a concern for you since it affects your country's foreign policy.

The Egyptian Armed Forces are using American multi-role strike aircraft and American made attack helicopters against their own population. They're not wheeling up lines of Soviet era D-30 122 mm guns to do this killing. They're using M-113s, YPR's, EICVs made in Egypt under US license, Gage Commando armoured cars/APCs and US supplied tanks plus uS supplied air power to kill their own citizens and residents.

The Syrians and the Russians are under international sanctions for their military tactics and strategies. Egypt (and the State of Israel) are not and Egypt is receiving hundreds of millions of dollars of US military aid per year instead. Do you not see the difference here?

The majority of North African and Middle Eastern regimes will not change that brutal behaviour unless it costs them too much to continue it. So start I'm posing costs along with the states which are doing it already.

If you don't blame the American Government and American Arms Industries for what Egyptian leaders and pilots do with American arms and munitions, then why blame Iran or Saudi Arabia for the aid they give state and non-state actors who use that aid to attack American interests and American personnel? Is an Egyptian or a Palestinian fundamentally less human than an American and thus imbued with less natural rights to live and prosper?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Fledermaus:

You asked me about whether I was talking about the Sinai insurgency. I said yes and then described what the State of Egypt and its military were doing in Sinai. The Palestinian diaspora settlers in Sinai are some of the people being attacked by the Egyptian Armed Forces, along with Egyptian militants and Egyptians caught in the middle. I described all three groups in response to your question. There was no pin-balling.

If it "matters zero" whether the bullet striking down a Palestinian is of American origin or not, then why does it matter that an IED set by Iraqi militants in Iraq which kills or wounds American servicemen is of Iranian origin or not? It does matter in both cases.

The Egyptians are killing innocent people with arms supplied from your country. That should be a concern for you since it affects your country's foreign policy.

The Egyptian Armed Forces are using American multi-role strike aircraft and American made attack helicopters against their own population. They're not wheeling up lines of Soviet era D-30 122 mm guns to do this killing. They're using M-113s, YPR's, EICVs made in Egypt under US license, Gage Commando armoured cars/APCs and US supplied tanks plus uS supplied air power to kill their own citizens and residents.

The Syrians and the Russians are under international sanctions for their military tactics and strategies. Egypt (and the State of Israel) are not and Egypt is receiving hundreds of millions of dollars of US military aid per year instead. Do you not see the difference here?

The majority of North African and Middle Eastern regimes will not change that brutal behaviour unless it costs them too much to continue it. So start I'm posing costs along with the states which are doing it already.

If you don't blame the American Government and American Arms Industries for what Egyptian leaders and pilots do with American arms and munitions, then why blame Iran or Saudi Arabia for the aid they give state and non-state actors who use that aid to attack American interests and American personnel? Is an Egyptian or a Palestinian fundamentally less human than an American and thus imbued with less natural rights to live and prosper?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Let's get one thing straight.

Egypt is killing people with weapons from around the world and all you appear to focus on is what the US has exported relatively recently.

If a bullet is fired from a rifle the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

If a shell is fired from a towed artillery the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

If a rocket is fired from a launcher the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

The list goes on.

And on and on and on...

Now that Egyptians are armed with newer toys you believe their tactics will evolve in kind?

How did that work out for Iraq after they purchased their Soviet bloc, French, Chinese and English weapons of war?

Or after the fall of Iraq and they were rearmed with newer gear. How did they fare against ISIS?

New Toys =/= New tactics as applied to many nations.

BTW -

For the most part. M113s get your soldiers with their Soviet weapons is place.

YPR - Dutch. Not American.

EICV? If you mean EIFV it is an M113 derivative Box-O-Troops with local add ons. Egyptian manufacture.

All those are outnumbered by Panthera/T6 and other Soviet sourced or locally manufactured units.

And the Gage Cadillac you keep going on about? A few hundred. Outnumbered by BTR-50s and others.

So, tell me.

You want the US to control the Egyptian Army now?
 
Let's get one thing straight.

Egypt is killing people with weapons from around the world and all you appear to focus on is what the US has exported relatively recently.

If a bullet is fired from a rifle the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

If a shell is fired from a towed artillery the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

If a rocket is fired from a launcher the chances are huge that it was a Soviet bloc weapon.

The list goes on.

And on and on and on...

Now that Egyptians are armed with newer toys you believe their tactics will evolve in kind?

How did that work out for Iraq after they purchased their Soviet bloc, French, Chinese and English weapons of war?

Or after the fall of Iraq and they were rearmed with newer gear. How did they fare against ISIS?

New Toys =/= New tactics as applied to many nations.

BTW -

For the most part. M113s get your soldiers with their Soviet weapons is place.

YPR - Dutch. Not American.

EICV? If you mean EIFV it is an M113 derivative Box-O-Troops with local add ons. Egyptian manufacture.

All those are outnumbered by Panthera/T6 and other Soviet sourced or locally manufactured units.

And the Gage Cadillac you keep going on about? A few hundred. Outnumbered by BTR-50s and others.

So, tell me.

You want the US to control the Egyptian Army now?

Fledermaus:

Are Russia, France, China or any other states other than the USA sending large amounts of military and military-financial aid to Egypt right NOW? No. The major supplier of arms and money for arms to Egypt is the USA right now. The "now" is why I am singling out the USA now. If we were having this discussion in 1970, then I would be all up the butt of the USSR. If it was 1980, then I'd be demanding France stop. But it's not 1970 and it's not 1980. It's 2020 and the number-one supplier of weapons and military financial aid to both the State of Egypt and to the State of Israel is not Russia, nor France. In 2020 it's the USA, thus my focus on stopping that supply. I also want Saudi Arabia, some Gulf States and Iran prevented from sending arms and explosives/propellant precursor chemicals to the Palestinian militants. Until all three players are deprived of the resources to make war easily, without real hardship on the general populations of each participant state/nation, the violent conflict will continue and many more will suffer and/or die.

The US is the main problem "now".

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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