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UN list targets firms linked to Israeli settlements

oneworld2 said:
No it wasn't. You made a few brief words that didn't even come close .
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I don't work for you. Your reference to the UN of the 40s was shown as stupid and laughable.
Your claims regarding the "support" for two-states solution showing some kind of love for Israel was also shown as stupid.
Everything got the amount of attention it deserves. Get with the program.
 
Apocalypse said:
Israel holds the moral high ground and you're not "calling out" anything, you're directly promoting barbarism, evil and backwardness. Your education is lacking when you just made the claim that the hatred of Jews is an hatred of religion. I'd focus more on educating myself on the subject I'm engaging at if I were you, rather than just attacking anyone who doesn't embrace your favorite type of racism.
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Israel lost the moral high ground a bit ago, only the veto support of the USofA stops any real sanctions from being enforced- not very 'high' at all.

About my 'racism'- I have trained Israeli reservist snipers and was very proud to do so. I have ZERO problem with Israelis, a growing problem with a corrupt PM trying to take away attention to his corruption trial with settlement embracing...

Now about your semantics, tell me about the hatred of Jews... why does the world 'hate' Jews by demanding an end to illegal West Bank settlements??? :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Israel lost the moral high ground a bit ago, only the veto support of the USofA stops any real sanctions from being enforced- not very 'high' at all.

About my 'racism'- I have trained Israeli reservist snipers and was very proud to do so. I have ZERO problem with Israelis, a growing problem with a corrupt PM trying to take away attention to his corruption trial with settlement embracing...

Now about your semantics, tell me about the hatred of Jews... why does the world 'hate' Jews by demanding an end to illegal West Bank settlements??? :peace
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The moral high ground becomes clearer with years passing, not the other way around. The "sanctions" you want, pushed by the dictatorships and theocracies of this world, is hardly something to gloat about.

What does this have to do with Netanyahu's legal cases? Nothing. You're drifting and this is quite telling of a position that lacks any real basis to it.

It's also not true that the antisemites being addressed here just want to end the existence of settlements, and this isn't really what's being discussed or opposed here by those taking a stance against antisemitism.
It's also not the "world" that is being referred to, you're the one who keeps injecting the world into it.

I find it crystal clear you're desperate to try and get your backwards and immoral position some kind of fake legitimacy and approval by referring to it as that of the "world's" or by lying about what is being addressed here trying to divert things towards corruption charges and settlements. It isn't just desperate, it's outright hopeless.
 
Apocalypse said:
The moral high ground becomes clearer with years passing, not the other way around. The "sanctions" you want, pushed by the dictatorships and theocracies of this world, is hardly something to gloat about. What does this have to do with Netanyahu's legal cases? Nothing. You're drifting and this is quite telling of a position that lacks any real basis to it. It's also not true that the antisemites being addressed here just want to end the existence of settlements, and this isn't really what's being discussed or opposed here by those taking a stance against antisemitism. It's also not the "world" that is being referred to, you're the one who keeps injecting the world into it. I find it crystal clear you're desperate to try and get your backwards and immoral position some kind of fake legitimacy and approval by referring to it as that of the "world's" or by lying about what is being addressed here trying to divert things towards corruption charges and settlements. It isn't just desperate, it's outright hopeless.
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A lot of sound and fury signifying dick.... :roll:

The sanctions are for what???? Israel's WEST BANK settlements.... :2wave:

Not being Jewish.

Nutty Yahoo's issues shows how far the Israeli's government has fallen. Nutty isn't of the same moral fiber as Ben Gurion or Golda Meir. Lacks the ability to rally people in times of crisis, like Began, Shamir, Rabin.... Israel no longer holds any moral high ground but is just like every other nation, a bit more dirty than they care to admit.

No he is a rather weak leader who needs to distract from his corruption problems with baiting. Some Israelis are questioning the continued conflict with the Palestinians. His expansion of the illegal West Bank settlements ARE the issue, not being Jewish. The rabid right in Israel are the problem, not being Jewish.

Politics and not anti-Semitism is the issue, land grabs not being Jewish is the issue... :peace
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't work for you. Your reference to the UN of the 40s was shown as stupid and laughable.
Your claims regarding the "support" for two-states solution showing some kind of love for Israel was also shown as stupid.
Everything got the amount of attention it deserves. Get with the program.
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That's right , you don't work for me , but most people who make claims and have them challenged by factual data, logic and reason , provided their claim had some veracity in the first place, usually come back with a detailed response. You never.

Obviously it just a bridge too far for you to actually address the points properly so your claim must be completely flimsy.
 
notquiteright said:
A lot of sound and fury signifying dick.... :roll:

The sanctions are for what???? Israel's WEST BANK settlements.... :2wave:

Not being Jewish.

Nutty Yahoo's issues shows how far the Israeli's government has fallen. Nutty isn't of the same moral fiber as Ben Gurion or Golda Meir. Lacks the ability to rally people in times of crisis, like Began, Shamir, Rabin.... Israel no longer holds any moral high ground but is just like every other nation, a bit more dirty than they care to admit.

No he is a rather weak leader who needs to distract from his corruption problems with baiting. Some Israelis are questioning the continued conflict with the Palestinians. His expansion of the illegal West Bank settlements ARE the issue, not being Jewish. The rabid right in Israel are the problem, not being Jewish.

Politics and not anti-Semitism is the issue, land grabs not being Jewish is the issue... :peace
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The charges of antisemitism here are, as they are in most other cases today , an actual misuse of the term so as to derail legitimate criticism of Israeli state policies towards the Palestinians by people/states who think the Palestinians should have , finally , authentic self determination in a state of their own as is their right.
 
oneworld2 said:
The charges of antisemitism here are, as they are in most other cases today , an actual misuse of the term so as to derail legitimate criticism of Israeli state policies towards the Palestinians by people/states who think the Palestinians should have , finally , authentic self determination in a state of their own as is their right.
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Except when the charges are accurate.
 
oneworld2 said:
:roll:
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Anti-Semitism is as Anti-Semitism does.

Quacks like a duck and all that jazz.

It is merely wrapped in a new skin. A sheep's skin.

It's the same old wolf that gave us the Protocols, the Blood Libels, the pogroms, the Jews burnings, the Inquisition and finally the Holocaust.

But, please.... Keep pretending that has nothing to do with the way Israel is treated.
 
Fledermaus said:
Anti-Semitism is as Anti-Semitism does.

Quacks like a duck and all that jazz.

It is merely wrapped in a new skin. A sheep's skin.

It's the same old wolf that gave us the Protocols, the Blood Libels, the pogroms, the Jews burnings, the Inquisition and finally the Holocaust.

But, please.... Keep pretending that has nothing to do with the way Israel is treated.
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:roll:

Says the person who constantly puts up threads about the negative actions of some Palestinians and demands that the same or similar actions if carried out by Israelis should be off limits ! And then tries to hide the obvious conclusion by adding a very obvious token thread about Amazon not treating them like it treats Jews in the OPTs.

It's actually funny to watch how you defend/deny the mass murder of Palestinians in their own territory, the mass HRs violations millions of them suffer everyday for over half a century, support to the hilt their tormentors and abusers BUT criticize Amazons delivery policy in the OPTs :roll:

All's i will say is that it never fooled me.

If you want to take on what Apocalypse chose not to in post 60 here feel free but it rubbished his claim that the UN was antisemitic to the point it couldn't stand the thought of Jews living in a land they could protect themselves in , or some such nonsense
 
oneworld2 said:
:roll:

Says the person who constantly puts up threads about the negative actions of some Palestinians and demands that the same or similar actions if carried out by Israelis should be off limits ! And then tries to hide the obvious conclusion by adding a very obvious token thread about Amazon not treating them like it treats Jews in the OPTs.

It's actually funny to watch how you defend/deny the mass murder of Palestinians in their own territory, the mass HRs violations millions of them suffer everyday for over half a century, support to the hilt their tormentors and abusers BUT criticize Amazons delivery policy in the OPTs :roll:

All's i will say is that it never fooled me.

If you want to take on what Apocalypse chose not to in post 60 here feel free but it rubbished his claim that the UN was antisemitic to the point it couldn't stand the thought of Jews living in a land they could protect themselves in , or some such nonsense
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You cry that I post about the various terrorist groups associated with Palestinians.

Note. Terrorist groups.

I would not be able to do so if it weren't a target rich environment.

Think about that.

Hamas is a gift that keeps giving. They steal from the poor to continue a war of terror against an adversary they cannot militarily defeat. Hell. Their "military" strikes are pebbles compared to the mountain that is their civilian targeted terror attacks. You can lie about their intentions even as they themselves describe their acts as one would describe terrorism.

Hamas et al are sowing the wind. And when they reap the whirlwind you go into overdrive in your wailing and gnashing of teeth.

As to the UN. You appear completely confused as to the changes that have occured post 1948.

Not surprising.

Many of the nations who drive the continued sanctioning did not exist in the 1940s. Numbers count. A number of anti Israel states joined the UN in the 1950-1960. Others joined before the 1950s but were pro-west. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.
 
notquiteright said:
A lot of sound and fury signifying dick.... :roll:

The sanctions are for what???? Israel's WEST BANK settlements.... :2wave:

Not being Jewish.

Nutty Yahoo's issues shows how far the Israeli's government has fallen. Nutty isn't of the same moral fiber as Ben Gurion or Golda Meir. Lacks the ability to rally people in times of crisis, like Began, Shamir, Rabin.... Israel no longer holds any moral high ground but is just like every other nation, a bit more dirty than they care to admit.

No he is a rather weak leader who needs to distract from his corruption problems with baiting. Some Israelis are questioning the continued conflict with the Palestinians. His expansion of the illegal West Bank settlements ARE the issue, not being Jewish. The rabid right in Israel are the problem, not being Jewish.

Politics and not anti-Semitism is the issue, land grabs not being Jewish is the issue... :peace
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I don't care what the antisemites say their meetings and statements are about. I'm confronting the antisemitic motivation for those fake meetings and declarations.

See post #122 in this thread, you can begin educating yourself there.
 
Fledermaus said:
You cry that I post about the various terrorist groups associated with Palestinians.

Note. Terrorist groups.

I would not be able to do so if it weren't a target rich environment.

Think about that.

Hamas is a gift that keeps giving. They steal from the poor to continue a war of terror against an adversary they cannot militarily defeat. Hell. Their "military" strikes are pebbles compared to the mountain that is their civilian targeted terror attacks. You can lie about their intentions even as they themselves describe their acts as one would describe terrorism.

Hamas et al are sowing the wind. And when they reap the whirlwind you go into overdrive in your wailing and gnashing of teeth.

As to the UN. You appear completely confused as to the changes that have occured post 1948.

Not surprising.

Many of the nations who drive the continued sanctioning did not exist in the 1940s. Numbers count. A number of anti Israel states joined the UN in the 1950-1960. Others joined before the 1950s but were pro-west. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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There are terrorists on both sides, so focusing on the terrorists on only the one side , as you admit in the above btw , just underscores further what I claim about your antagonism to Palestinians. Recall , I asked you for the debate on terrorism and you declined only to resurface later on making the same one sided claims

The only person here who has proven to be lacking in knowledge and objectivity is yourself , in thread after thread after thread.

Bring on ther debate about the UN being antisemitic and even stoop so low as Apocalypse did in his ridiculously worded claim before you try to suggest other are " confused ". I'm happy to discuss " numbers " too, so whenever you are ready to initiate why the UN hates Jews or some such nonsense fire away.
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't care what the antisemites say their meetings and statements are about. I'm confronting the antisemitic motivation for those fake meetings and declarations. See post #122 in this thread, you can begin educating yourself there.
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Translation- I don't care about the reality most of the world lives in, I have my own spin on truth and refuse to see any other POV. Getting Israel out of it's illegal settlements isn't anti-Semitic. All the puffery you present doesn't change that... :peace
 
oneworld2 said:
There are terrorists on both sides, so focusing on the terrorists on only the one side , as you admit in the above btw , just underscores further what I claim about your antagonism to Palestinians. Recall , I asked you for the debate on terrorism and you declined only to resurface later on making the same one sided claims

The only person here who has proven to be lacking in knowledge and objectivity is yourself , in thread after thread after thread.

Bring on ther debate about the UN being antisemitic and even stoop so low as Apocalypse did in his ridiculously worded claim before you try to suggest other are " confused ". I'm happy to discuss " numbers " too, so whenever you are ready to initiate why the UN hates Jews or some such nonsense fire away.
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First paragraph.... Whataboutism.

Second paragraph.... Projection

Third paragraph..... Intentionally ignorant about the shift in the UN since the 1940s.
 
Fledermaus said:
First paragraph.... Whataboutism.

Second paragraph.... Projection

Third paragraph..... Intentionally ignorant about the shift in the UN since the 1940s.
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It's interesting and revealing that when people talk about the crimes some of the Palestinians commit you view it as legitimate debate and yet when they talk about the crimes the Israelis commit you view it " whataboutism " and/or ( in virtually every case ) defend them. Denial is pretty futile seeing as one need only look at the threads you create here and the mass of posts defending Israeli crimes against the Palestinians

Feel free to state your case about the UN " shift " since the 1940's or why the UN is antisemitic instead of claiming others are ignorant without knowing what they know or not seeing as you are still not naking your case.
 
oneworld2 said:
It's interesting and revealing that when people talk about the crimes some of the Palestinians commit you view it as legitimate debate and yet when they talk about the crimes the Israelis commit you view it " whataboutism " and/or ( in virtually every case ) defend them. Denial is pretty futile seeing as one need only look at the threads you create here and the mass of posts defending Israeli crimes against the Palestinians

Feel free to state your case about the UN " shift " since the 1940's or why the UN is antisemitic instead of claiming others are ignorant without knowing what they know or not seeing as you are still not naking your case.
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More Whataboutism.

And I have stated my case. And you continue your campaign of intentional ignorance.

How many anti-Israel nations have joined the UN since the late 1940s?

How many anti-Israel nations have change governments and have aligned with the USSR and/or Arab Nationalists since the late 1940s?
 
Fledermaus said:
More Whataboutism.

And I have stated my case. And you continue your campaign of intentional ignorance.

How many anti-Israel nations have joined the UN since the late 1940s?

How many anti-Israel nations have change governments and have aligned with the USSR and/or Arab Nationalists since the late 1940s?
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I fully understand why you would seek to minimize or ignore the obvious contradiction in the way you view the actions of both sides with a handwaving " whataboutism " but it does underscore my point everytime you do it.

We can do this logically or we can waste time with you asking questions but not being prepared to answer those put to you.

Your questions can be answered with one simple statement that is found below.

There is not one solitary nation in the UN today that votes against the continuance of the state of Israel , the Jewish state. Not one of nearly 200 nation states. Every November at the UNGA they vote on the two state settlement and the vast majority of the world's countries vote for the two state settlement which is the de facto support for the continuance of the state of Israel.


When the UN decided to partition Palestine to create a Jewish state there in 1947 13 countries voted against it out of 56. Today it's note even on the agenda as being challenged. The debate is for the creation of a Palestinian state only on the 22% of the original partition area ( Jerusalem aside it was given to neither side at the UN PP )

Anyone that reads the above and can process what that information actually means will not , can not , make a case that the UN was somehow less anti Israel in the 1940's than it is now. It's a logical fallacy.

But you seem not to understand that for some reason.
 
notquiteright said:
Translation- I don't care about the reality most of the world lives in, I have my own spin on truth and refuse to see any other POV. Getting Israel out of it's illegal settlements isn't anti-Semitic. All the puffery you present doesn't change that... :peace
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The moral high ground is clear.
The opposition to racism is a must.
You're not representing the world no matter how much you require that approval.
No one said what you're claiming that was being said regarding what is antisemitic, you're basically lying because you can't handle facts.
Reality isn't subjective, it's absolute, and it's clearly not on your side no matter how much you sturggle with this simple fact.
 
oneworld2 said:
I fully understand why you would seek to minimize or ignore the obvious contradiction in the way you view the actions of both sides with a handwaving " whataboutism " but it does underscore my point everytime you do it.

We can do this logically or we can waste time with you asking questions but not being prepared to answer those put to you.

Your questions can be answered with one simple statement that is found below.

There is not one solitary nation in the UN today that votes against the continuance of the state of Israel , the Jewish state. Not one of nearly 200 nation states. Every November at the UNGA they vote on the two state settlement and the vast majority of the world's countries vote for the two state settlement which is the de facto support for the continuance of the state of Israel.


When the UN decided to partition Palestine to create a Jewish state there in 1947 13 countries voted against it out of 56. Today it's note even on the agenda as being challenged. The debate is for the creation of a Palestinian state only on the 22% of the original partition area ( Jerusalem aside it was given to neither side at the UN PP )

Anyone that reads the above and can process what that information actually means will not , can not , make a case that the UN was somehow less anti Israel in the 1940's than it is now. It's a logical fallacy.

But you seem not to understand that for some reason.
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It's funny that you think your so-called 'arguments' have anything logical in them.
You're seriously here arguing that if the UN votes to support a two-states solution it dismisses its antisemitism because that means recognizing Israel's existence.
I don't even need to add anything to the description of that argument to expose its inhumanly stupid basis.
The gap between having human logic and accepting the deduction you've just made is large enough to fill an ocean between.
It's like you're straight from the start aiming at an audience of mindless zombies, I can't think of any other reason why this would be your choice for an argument to make.
Or actually I can judging by your posting history which is filled by illogical nonsense such as that.
 
oneworld2 said:
I fully understand why you would seek to minimize or ignore the obvious contradiction in the way you view the actions of both sides with a handwaving " whataboutism " but it does underscore my point everytime you do it.

We can do this logically or we can waste time with you asking questions but not being prepared to answer those put to you.

Your questions can be answered with one simple statement that is found below.

There is not one solitary nation in the UN today that votes against the continuance of the state of Israel , the Jewish state. Not one of nearly 200 nation states. Every November at the UNGA they vote on the two state settlement and the vast majority of the world's countries vote for the two state settlement which is the de facto support for the continuance of the state of Israel.


When the UN decided to partition Palestine to create a Jewish state there in 1947 13 countries voted against it out of 56. Today it's note even on the agenda as being challenged. The debate is for the creation of a Palestinian state only on the 22% of the original partition area ( Jerusalem aside it was given to neither side at the UN PP )

Anyone that reads the above and can process what that information actually means will not , can not , make a case that the UN was somehow less anti Israel in the 1940's than it is now. It's a logical fallacy.

But you seem not to understand that for some reason.
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Just look at all that typing.... All to avoid the very real fact that the face of the UN has changed drastically since Israel came into being.

The fact is the UN is fixated on the perceived evils of Israel while they ignore evil world wide. They will not condemn the terrosim wrought by nations/NGOs. They will happily fire off on Israel though.

And that is fine with you.
 
Fledermaus said:
Just look at all that typing.... All to avoid the very real fact that the face of the UN has changed drastically since Israel came into being.
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All that typing was wasted on you as I knew it would be. It actually addressed the change of numbers in the UN that you referred to and just showed how you were wrong. So your claim that it " avoided " it as bizarre as it is just plain false.
The fact is the UN is fixated on the perceived evils of Israel while they ignore evil world wide. They will not condemn the terrosim wrought by nations/NGOs. They will happily fire off on Israel though.

And that is fine with you.
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"Perceived evils " ?? Once again you underscore my point about your defending of the crimes of one side only. That's about the third time is as many posts.

The UN regularly denounce " the evils " of many state and none state actors and have done so since the off. Your claim that they " ignore evil world wide " is just another bizarre and easily refuted claim

You had your chance to discuss terrorism you declined.

You have had your chance to discuss the UN here and its alleged antisemitism and you are not making any coherent counter arguments. Just vague/blanket/tangent accusations with only bizarre and inaccurate claims with which to back them.

Want to try again ?

How many nations voted against the Israeli state in the 1940's and how many do now ? It's a simple enough question to answer but if you answer it honestly it supports my argument. So are you going to comment on this or not ?
 
oneworld2 said:
All that typing was wasted on you as I knew it would be. It actually addressed the change of numbers in the UN that you referred to and just showed how you were wrong. So your claim that it " avoided " it as bizarre as it is just plain false.


"Perceived evils " ?? Once again you underscore my point about your defending of the crimes of one side only. That's about the third time is as many posts.

The UN regularly denounce " the evils " of many state and none state actors and have done so since the off. Your claim that they " ignore evil world wide " is just another bizarre and easily refuted claim

You had your chance to discuss terrorism you declined.

You have had your chance to discuss the UN here and its alleged antisemitism and you are not making any coherent counter arguments. Just vague/blanket/tangent accusations with only bizarre and inaccurate claims with which to back them.

Want to try again ?

How many nations voted against the Israeli state in the 1940's and how many do now ? It's a simple enough question to answer but if you answer it honestly it supports my argument. So are you going to comment on this or not ?
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Your question to me is clearly a strawman is it not?
 
Fledermaus said:
Your question to me is clearly a strawman is it not?
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Seeing as you have no real intention of either backing your claims or coming clean about the serious and obvious double standards you apply to the sides with the additional avoiding of questions put to you here, I will resume with the responses ( below ) that level of participation merits .

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oneworld2 said:
Seeing as you have no real intention of either backing your claims or coming clean about the serious and obvious double standards you apply to the sides with the additional avoiding of questions put to you here, I will resume with the responses ( below ) that level of participation merits .

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Is it or is it not a strawman question?

Have I stated, inferred or implied any nations voted against the against the continuance of the state of Israel , the Jewish state?

No.

Have the member nations ever voted for non-continuance of ANY state to include Israel , the Jewish state?

Can the member nations even vote for the non-continuance of ANY state to include Israel , the Jewish state?

What has been shown are sanction after sanction after sanction targeting Israel....

Mr. Scarecrow wants his straw back.
 
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