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UN list targets firms linked to Israeli settlements

oneworld2 said:
It's a broad brush smear, no more no less
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A smear is what you're doing with Israel and Jews.

Calling antisemites by the right name and opposing their actions on this planet isn't "smearing", it's the opposition to racism pure and simple.
 
Evilroddy said:
The UN is just providing information about what firms are connected to commercial and manufacturing activities in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. The State of Israel is angry because such information allows global consumers and investors to make informed decisions about whether or not to buy or invest in these Israeli companies. The State of Israel is concerned that such information could be used by consumers and investors sympathetic to a global BDS movement to punish Israeli and foreign firms for doing business with firms operating out of illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories.

I support such a policy of transparency in the service of a free market where its players are free to make fully informed decisions. So, is support for freedom of information and a free market an act of anti-Semitism? The State of Israel makes decisions but does not want to live with the consequences of those decisions, so it brands releasing information as anti-Semitism. I say that on this claim the State of Israel and its supporters who likewise claim this are full of "it". Actions have consequences and the State of Israel cannot sweep its actions under the rug of anti-Semitism in order to relieve itself of the consequences for what it does to its neighbours and those it occupies.

Criticism of the State of Israel based on that state's policies or its agents' actions is not in itself anti-Semitism. It hasn't been since 1948 and in my opinion it will never be so.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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True. And by the same token, it will allow those of us who seek good-value companies to invest in for our pensions and personal portfolios which are also trade with Israel to put our money into those companies. I hope the U.N. also does a study of those companies which are pro-BDS so I can adjust my investments accordingly.
 
Apocalypse said:
A smear is what you're doing with Israel and Jews.

Calling antisemites by the right name and opposing their actions on this planet isn't "smearing", it's the opposition to racism pure and simple.
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You people use the smear to derail the discussion everytime. Instead of talking about the merits or not of the UN decidion to release the names of the firms involved in the occupied territories they are talking about alleged racism
 
oneworld2 said:
You people use the smear to derail the discussion everytime. Instead of talking about the merits or not of the UN decidion to release the names of the firms involved in the occupied territories they are talking about alleged racism
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Wrong, 'we people' oppose racism.
There are no merits when it comes to the antisemitic agenda dominating the UN.
 
oneworld2 said:
You people use the smear to derail the discussion everytime. Instead of talking about the merits or not of the UN decidion to release the names of the firms involved in the occupied territories they are talking about alleged racism
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I am curious as to how this list compares to others published by the Un’s human rights commission. Do you have details on the ones relating to:

Turkey
Russia
Venezuela
China
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Egypt
Yemen

Or any others?
 
CJ 2.0 said:
I am curious as to how this list compares to others published by the Un’s human rights commission. Do you have details on the ones relating to:

Turkey
Russia
Venezuela
China
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Egypt
Yemen

Or any others?
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UN obsessed with Israel take number 9987.
 
JacksinPA said:
UN list targets firms linked to Israeli settlements

JERUSALEM (AP) — The U.N. human rights office on Wednesday released a list of more than 100 companies it said are complicit in violating Palestinian human rights by operating in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank — a first-ever international attempt to name and shame businesses that has drawn fierce Israeli condemnation.

The list’s publication after repeated delays escalated a looming showdown between Israel and the international community over its more than half-century policy of building settlements in the West Bank. Emboldened by a new U.S. Mideast initiative, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to annex Israel’s more than 100 settlements, while the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague has indicated she will soon launch a war-crimes investigation into settlement policies.
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The whip was in the other hand during the Holocaust but now it rests easily in Israeli hands. Despite their promises to the Palestinians when Israel was founded by the UN in the late 1940s, the Israelis are now the abusers & thieves, stealing from the Palestinians as if it is their right to do so.
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Meanwhile, the UN "Human Rights" office has no comment about Uighurs being treated like **** by the Chinese.

The UN "Human Rights" org is a contradiction in terms.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
I am curious as to how this list compares to others published by the Un’s human rights commission. Do you have details on the ones relating to:

Turkey
Russia
Venezuela
China
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Egypt
Yemen

Or any others?
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sure

on Russia

OHCHR | UN report details grave human rights violations in Russian-occupied Crimea

on China

China says UN criticism of human rights record is 'politically driven' | World news | The Guardian

on Saudi

OHCHR | Bachelet strongly condemns mass executions in Saudi Arabia

So they do condemn other countries but nobody, for example , claims Islamophobia when they criticize the Saudis over executions.

Israel should be allowed to violate everyone and everything and if people criticize it it's suppose top be because they hate Jews ? Everytime in every instance ?

Nah
 
Roadvirus said:
Meanwhile, the UN "Human Rights" office has no comment about Uighurs being treated like **** by the Chinese.

The UN "Human Rights" org is a contradiction in terms.
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A United Nations human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy.”

SNIP


“We are deeply concerned at the many numerous and credible reports that we have received that in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining social stability (China) has changed the Uighur autonomous region into something that resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy, a sort of ‘no rights zone’,” she told the start of a two-day regular review of China’s record, including Hong Kong and Macao.
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U.N. says it has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps - Reuters
 
oneworld2 said:
sure

on Russia

OHCHR | UN report details grave human rights violations in Russian-occupied Crimea

on China

China says UN criticism of human rights record is 'politically driven' | World news | The Guardian

on Saudi

OHCHR | Bachelet strongly condemns mass executions in Saudi Arabia

So they do condemn other countries but nobody, for example , claims Islamophobia when they criticize the Saudis over executions.

Israel should be allowed to violate everyone and everything and if people criticize it it's suppose top be because they hate Jews ? Everytime in every instance ?

Nah
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Sorry, looking for the links blacklisting companies producing or providing services in places like Tibet, Crimea, and Turkish-occupied Cyprus. Or some blacklists of companies dealing with oppressive regimes that consistently violate human rights like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc.

Since we are saying that the way the UN treats Israel isn’t remotely tied to antisemitism, I figured we could compare the actions taken with other occupations and other instances where human rights records are far worse than the situation in Israel.

Wondering if you could point me to those lists...
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Sorry, looking for the links blacklisting companies producing or providing services in places like Tibet, Crimea, and Turkish-occupied Cyprus. Or some blacklists of companies dealing with oppressive regimes that consistently violate human rights like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc.

Since we are saying that the way the UN treats Israel isn’t remotely tied to antisemitism, I figured we could compare the actions taken with other occupations and other instances where human rights records are far worse than the situation in Israel.

Wondering if you could point me to those lists...
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The links were to show that people within the UN charged with investigating HRs abuses have pointed the finger at every country in the list of countries you gave for HRs abuses.

You and others appear to believe they only do it to Israel because they hate Jews apparently, that's what you said wasn't it ?

The Palestinians are not going away.

The more Israel and Trump push their agenda of flouting the law and allowing criminals to prosper the broader the reaction appears to be as a result . This is what I say about those that class themselves as being proIsrael, they are creating the perfect storm for it to disappear but appear blissfully unaware of it imo.
 
oneworld2 said:
The links were to show that people within the UN charged with investigating HRs abuses have pointed the finger at every country in the list of countries you gave for HRs abuses.

You and others appear to believe they only do it to Israel because they hate Jews apparently, that's what you said wasn't it ?

The Palestinians are not going away.

The more Israel and Trump push their agenda of flouting the law and allowing criminals to prosper the broader the reaction appears to be as a result . This is what I say about those that class themselves as being proIsrael, they are creating the perfect storm for it to disappear but appear blissfully unaware of it imo.
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That’s not relevant to my query. I was asking about the published blacklists. Can you point me to these lists please so that we can compare them? Particularly interested in the Turkish Cypriot one and the Chinese Tibetan one given the massive ethnic cleansing of Greeks out of the territory in the former and the massive settlement of ethnic Han into the latter. Since, you know, Israel is treated the same as other countries in international fora and all.

But if somehow these folks got missed even though their occupations have far less legitimacy than Israel’s, maybe you can just point to similar blacklists for various bad actor states that engage in systematic repression and have no respect for human rights.

Thanks really appreciate you providing this information to allow us to assess the non-antisemetic causes of the UN publishing a blacklist of companies that employ people or provide services to Israelis.
 
Israel was desperate for citizens and then let way too many people in and now are running out of room and resources.
 
Drawdown said:
Israel was desperate for citizens and then let way too many people in and now are running out of room and resources.
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I feel like you have never actually been there. Accurate?
 
CJ 2.0 said:
That’s not relevant to my query. I was asking about the published blacklists. Can you point me to these lists please so that we can compare them? Particularly interested in the Turkish Cypriot one and the Chinese Tibetan one given the massive ethnic cleansing of Greeks out of the territory in the former and the massive settlement of ethnic Han into the latter. Since, you know, Israel is treated the same as other countries in international fora and all.

But if somehow these folks got missed even though their occupations have far less legitimacy than Israel’s, maybe you can just point to similar blacklists for various bad actor states that engage in systematic repression and have no respect for human rights.

Thanks really appreciate you providing this information to allow us to assess the non-antisemetic causes of the UN publishing a blacklist of companies that employ people or provide services to Israelis.
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THere are certainly some inconsistancies with the UN condemnations/naming and shamings...........for instance they oddly decided to leave the IDF off a name and shame list of armies that violate the rights of children. I suppose you win some and you lose some eh?
 
oneworld2 said:
THere are certainly some inconsistancies with the UN condemnations/naming and shamings...........for instance they oddly decided to leave the IDF off a name and shame list of armies that violate the rights of children. I suppose you win some and you lose some eh?
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I have an idea.

Be fair and have the UN target all of the businesses that contribute to Hamas, Hezbollah and every other terrorist entity in thearea.
 
Fledermaus said:
I have an idea.

Be fair and have the UN target all of the businesses that contribute to Hamas, Hezbollah and every other terrorist entity in thearea.
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They are releasing the names of companies that are profiting from the illegal Israeli settlements not because Israel engages in state terrorism. What illegal settlements do Hamas or Hezbollah have that companies are profiteering from ?

BTW this thread is about Israeli settlements , if you want to discuss the none existant Hamas and Hezbollah ones you can start a thread on it instead of engaging in whataboutisms that don't even exist
 
oneworld2 said:
They are releasing the names of companies that are profiting from the illegal Israeli settlements not because Israel engages in state terrorism. What illegal settlements do Hamas or Hezbollah have that companies are profiteering from ?

BTW this thread is about Israeli settlements , if you want to discuss the none existant Hamas and Hezbollah ones you can start a thread on it instead of engaging in whataboutisms that don't even exist
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So you don't want to be fair?
 
oneworld2 said:
THere are certainly some inconsistancies with the UN condemnations/naming and shamings...........for instance they oddly decided to leave the IDF off a name and shame list of armies that violate the rights of children. I suppose you win some and you lose some eh?
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So there is no such list of blacklisted companies associated with any of the countries I mentioned?

That certainly seems odd. And you ascribe the different treatment to?
 
oneworld2 said:
They are releasing the names of companies that are profiting from the illegal Israeli settlements not because Israel engages in state terrorism. What illegal settlements do Hamas or Hezbollah have that companies are profiteering from ?

BTW this thread is about Israeli settlements , if you want to discuss the none existant Hamas and Hezbollah ones you can start a thread on it instead of engaging in whataboutisms that don't even exist
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What profiting? Was there analysis done to determine whether these firms were earning profit? Can you point me to where the UN “human rights” folks conducted that analysis?

What you mean is that they have been blacklisted because they engage in economic activity with Jews who live in Judea and Samaria.

That was sufficient to be identified by the “human rights” commission in pursuit of a boycott of those businesses because they trade with Jews who live in areas that the “human rights” commission has dictated Jews are not allowed to live.

So it’s fine to engage in economic activity with the Turks occupying Cyprus following a systematic ethnic cleansing or to trade with the Chinese government that occupied Tibet, is engaged in a massive systematic effort to coercively transfer its own population into that territory, and is a massive abuser of human rights that dwarfs the scale of Anything Israel could ever do, but godforbid you sell a bagel to a Jew in Jerusalem.
 
Apocalypse said:
Israel has simply been an excuse for antisemites worldwide and the UN's antisemitic agenda for decades now.
It's all about the antisemitic agenda. Jew hatred became the most important purpose of a clownish organization pretending to be the voice of every nation on Earth.
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The only problem with the "antisemite" angle is it applies to criticism of no other nation.

Criticism of the actions of the leadership of Congo is NOT anti-Congolesism.

Criticism of the actions of the state of China isn't anti-chineseism.

And criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is not anti-semitism.

Unless of course the behavior is inherently Jewish.

It isn't, is it? Jews aren't just naturally oppressive and acquisitive, are they?
 
What if...? said:
The only problem with the "antisemite" angle is it applies to criticism of no other nation.

Criticism of the actions of the leadership of Congo is NOT anti-Congolesism.

Criticism of the actions of the state of China isn't anti-chineseism.

And criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is not anti-semitism.

Unless of course the behavior is inherently Jewish.

It isn't, is it? Jews aren't just naturally oppressive and acquisitive, are they?
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Criticism of Israeli policies is also not antisemitism and no one suggested it is.
The antisemitism I was referring to has nothing to do with the criticism of any specific policy.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
So there is no such list of blacklisted companies associated with any of the countries I mentioned?

That certainly seems odd. And you ascribe the different treatment to?
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The forum rules prevent me from giving you the answer I think your question deserves.

As for different treatments for different countries/peoples it is pretty common. I mean there have been UN monitors all over Irans nuclear sites for quite some time but never a one that I can recall that has gone through the nuclear facilities in Israel or the US , of France , the UK etc etc People will have forgotten that the very UNSC resolutions that paved the way to the preferential treatment given to Iraq under SH also called for the region of the ME to be a WMD free zone unsc 687 for example. Thirty years on how are the inspections of Israeli nuclear sites going ?

As I already stated and you chose not to reply to, Israel was inexplicably left off the list of countries that violate the rights of children. The UN must have forgotten to be antisemitic that day.

You can add the ICCs penchant for prosecuting only black criminals for crimes many whites engage in and many Jewish people .

I would always want things to applied equally but I accept that things aren't always like that and some may win on some things but lose on others. You just remain silent on the wins and shout about the losses claiming you are always the victim.
 
What if...? said:
The only problem with the "antisemite" angle is it applies to criticism of no other nation.

Criticism of the actions of the leadership of Congo is NOT anti-Congolesism.

Criticism of the actions of the state of China isn't anti-chineseism.

And criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is not anti-semitism.

Unless of course the behavior is inherently Jewish.

It isn't, is it? Jews aren't just naturally oppressive and acquisitive, are they?
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I peddle a similar line in logic regarding antisemitism when people talk about how rife it is in the ME. Given how damaging the outside enforcement of Zionism has proven to be for the Arabs of the ME the resentment being deemed as antisemitism also needs another look imo

For example if people were to claim that the native Americans were anti white or anti Christian for hating/resisting their displacers and dispossessors from 1492 onwards it would rightly be laughed at as a farce and yet we are suppossed to believe that the Arab antagonism to Zionism is based on a illogical hatred of Jews and anything/everything Jewish ?

Seems like a farce to me
 
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