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[W:58] US says Israeli settlements no longer considered illegal in dramatic shift

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US now stating that they decide International law and not the UN with this statement ... i hope the EU and others treat this statement with the contempt and condemnation that it deserves



US says Israeli settlements no longer considered illegal in dramatic shift | World news | The Guardian



US declaration marks rejection of 2016 UN resolution that settlements on the West Bank are a ‘flagrant violation’ of international law

The US has declared that Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian land are not necessarily illegal, in a dramatic break with decades of international law, US policy and the established position of most US allies.



“Calling the establishment of civilian settlements inconsistent with international law has not advanced the cause of peace,” said Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state. “The hard truth is that there will never be a judicial resolution to the conflict, and arguments about who is right and who is wrong as a matter of international law will not bring peace.”



He said the legality of individual settlements should be decided by the Israeli courts, and claimed that the US declaration would not prejudice an ultimate comprehensive settlement between Israelis and Palestinians.



etc etc etc
 
This should get the Dem House Anti-Semites good and riled.
 
Pompeo announces Israeli settlements do not violate international law

Pompeo announces Israeli settlements do not violate international law | TheHill

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday announced that the U.S. will not consider Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal under international law, putting the Trump administration in opposition with widely held views and reversing previous administrations that sought to reign in settlement activity to advance peace between Israelis and Palestinians.

Pompeo said that the decision helps strengthen the U.S.'s position ahead of the expected release of its Mideast peace plan, authored by Trump's son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner. The secretary didn't give an update on any expected date for the reveal of the peace plan but that the U.S. will release the plan "when the conditions are right."
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Well, there goes the 'two-state solution.' What the Palestinians feared when Israel was formed in the late 1940s is coming true despite all the Israeli lies to the contrary.

Pompeo - sounds Italian-American to me, not Jewish.
 
This should get the Dem House Anti-Semites good and riled.

Criticizing Israeli policies doesn’t make somebody an automatic anti Semite
 
US now stating that they decide International law and not the UN with this statement ... i hope the EU and others treat this statement with the contempt and condemnation that it deserves



US says Israeli settlements no longer considered illegal in dramatic shift | World news | The Guardian

I am not sure the American right wing base respects international law or the UN. I started questioning this when GWB was in office. If every country goes rouge and suggests there are no international laws, we will have WWIII.
 
Re: Pompeo announces Israeli settlements do not violate international law

Explaining what's behind that announcement.

Whatever the reason behind the move, the result is the same: the US is providing support for the most radical factions of Israel’s right and making the already-monumental task of negotiating a peace agreement even harder.

On Monday afternoon, Pompeo essentially took Israel’s side, announcing a formal repudiation of the Hansell Memorandum. He billed this as both the result of a review of the law and an important step towards a peace agreement.

“Calling the establishment of civilian settlements inconsistent with international law has not advanced the cause of peace,” he said. “The hard truth is that there will never be a judicial resolution to the conflict, and arguments about who is right and who is wrong as a matter of international law will not bring peace.”

This argument is exceedingly strange. No one seriously believes in a “judicial resolution” to the Israeli-Palestinian situation, that the simple act of declaring the settlements “illegal” would magically get rid of them and bring peace. Rather, the argument is that the settlements are major barriers to peace — a fact which every US administration has recognized at one point or another — and that the US ought to put diplomatic pressure on Israel to limit their growth.

If you spend significant time in the West Bank, it’s easy to understand the reasoning here. The security bubble Israel maintains around settlements cuts off Palestinian communities from each other and makes a meaningful, economically viable existence for some of them impossible. The very existence of settlements creates an Israeli constituency that opposes any peace deal that involves creating a viable Palestinian state, as this would require the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of settlers from their homes.

Pompeo’s substantive arguments are not serious. It’s better to understand this is part of a broader set of diplomatic policies, ranging from the administration’s pick of a hardline anti-Palestinian ideologue as ambassador to its decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, that seem designed to boost Netanyahu’s political fortunes and encourage the expansion of the settlement project with a wink and a nudge. It’s an approach that indulges Israel’s worst instincts, pushing it to cement the worst elements of the occupation and undermine its long-term prospects for survival

Trump Israel settlements: Mike Pompeo’s big move, briefly explained - Vox
 
I am not sure the American right wing base respects international law or the UN. I started questioning this when GWB was in office. If every country goes rouge and suggests there are no international laws, we will have WWIII.

when countries went rogue WW2 started not long after ... the protagonists were Imperial Japan followed by Facist Italy and then Nazi Germany .... Israel and America is going down the same route ...

does Israel have the right to exist ... of course it does but not at the cost of Palestinians and the Golan ... America seems to believe that everyone should abide by it's sanctions yet flout sanctions imposed by other countries ... America is acting like rogue state ... i don't blame the people of America i blame Washington and the American Military Industrial Complex and in Israel i blame the Israelis governments and especially bibi ... America pulled out of the INF and cited Russia's Iskandar but test launched it's own new system a couple of months later .. these systems take nearly 2 decades to develop ... America is not interested in peace anymore
 
Come on. Let's give this administration credit for knowing exactly the right racial and religious buttons to push. It's brilliant.
 
I am not sure the American right wing base respects international law or the UN. I started questioning this when GWB was in office. If every country goes rouge and suggests there are no international laws, we will have WWIII.

I didn't see you whining about Obama blowing up 7 different countries.

Did I miss some thing?
 
when countries went rogue WW2 started not long after ... the protagonists were Imperial Japan followed by Facist Italy and then Nazi Germany .... Israel and America is going down the same route ...

does Israel have the right to exist ... of course it does but not at the cost of Palestinians and the Golan ... America seems to believe that everyone should abide by it's sanctions yet flout sanctions imposed by other countries ... America is acting like rogue state ... i don't blame the people of America i blame Washington and the American Military Industrial Complex and in Israel i blame the Israelis governments and especially bibi ... America pulled out of the INF and cited Russia's Iskandar but test launched it's own new system a couple of months later .. these systems take nearly 2 decades to develop ... America is not interested in peace anymore

Great post. I agree with a lot of what you said. I especially agree that many Americans don’t seem to value peace, or global stability anymore. Most of those Americans are right wing Trump supporters.

I am very concerned about peace, Trump’s policies towards Russia and the UN, and Putin’s goals. We are doing very little to prevent war. Nationalism and Fascism leads to war.
 
Great post. I agree with a lot of what you said. I especially agree that many Americans don’t seem to value peace, or global stability anymore. Most of those Americans are right wing Trump supporters.

I am very concerned about peace, Trump’s policies towards Russia and the UN, and Putin’s goals. We are doing very little to prevent war. Nationalism and Fascism leads to war.

Yep................Them Trump supporters are marching in the streets wanting wars.

What a crock, but so typical from you.
 
I didn't see you whining about Obama blowing up 7 different countries.

Did I miss some thing?

Obama has been criticized for dropping bombs and not dropping bombs, but Obama was never accused of ignoring international law and arguing they didn’t apply to America or apply, period, and Obama didn’t make such arguments whilst also arguing American sanctions and global views are superior. In other words, Obama never acted like a rouge American nationalist on the global stage. He also valued the existence of the UN.

Yes, Obama’s decisions involving drones and bombings can be criticized. However, what GWB did by invading Iraq against the international community, was different, and it puts right wing voters in a unique situation where America is allowed to act like a rouge nation and the UN and our allies are in the way of America’s self interest and America’s goals. That’s continuing under Trump.

I consider it a serious issue
 
Yep................Them Trump supporters are marching in the streets wanting wars.

What a crock, but so typical from you.


I believe a lot of Trump supporters are tired of endless wars. But there is a problem in logical consistency... if we don’t want more wars, then we need to respect international laws designed to prevent world wars, and that means, we cannot accept America acting like a rogue self interested nationalist actor, nor can we accept other nations acting likewise. We need to strength and protect democracy and human rights around the world, and we need to combat growing influence from nations like Russia and China. Pulling out of Syria doesn’t help. Acting like international human rights and international law only applies when we feel it, doesn’t help either.
 
I believe a lot of Trump supporters are tired of endless wars. But there is a problem in logical consistency... if we don’t want more wars, then we need to respect international laws designed to prevent world wars, and that means, we cannot accept America acting like a rogue self interested nationalist actor, nor can we accept other nations acting likewise. We need to strength and protect democracy and human rights around the world, and we need to combat growing influence from nations like Russia and China. Pulling out of Syria doesn’t help. Acting like international human rights and international law only applies when we feel it, doesn’t help either.

No you don't believe that Trump supporters are tired of wars.

You opened your big fat mouth about your real beliefs earlier in this thread.

Fake much?
 
This should get the Dem House Anti-Semites good and riled.

The Trump administration simply reversed an Obama policy on Israeli settlements.
"Elections have consequences"~ Barack Obama
 
The Trump administration simply reversed an Obama policy on Israeli settlements.
"Elections have consequences"~ Barack Obama
One reason we voted for Trump

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Re: Pompeo announces Israeli settlements do not violate international law

Two-state solution has been dead ever since Palestinians walked away from Oslo.

[h=1]U.S. says Israeli settlements in West Bank do not violate international law[/h]Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the Trump administration, as it did with recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and Israel's sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights, had simply “recognized the reality on the ground.”

 
One reason we voted for Trump

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well you will be isolated even more, the EU has a differing view when it comes to the West Bank and illegal settlements it's more in line with the EU .... Trump and America should just quit the UN as he and Washington has no respect for the international community or the UN and move the UN headquarters to Geneva
 
One reason we voted for Trump

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The left will try and have us believe that the Trump administration's decision to claim Israeli settlements are legal is counterproductive.

In 1978, it was the state department's legal opinion that the settlements were illegal. and against international law. There is no US law that say the settlements are illegal. Again, this was just a 40 year old legal"opinion" coming from the state dept. and a longstanding policy which Trump has the total authority to reverse.
 
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No you don't believe that Trump supporters are tired of wars.

You opened your big fat mouth about your real beliefs earlier in this thread.

Fake much?

We are all tired of endless wars but Trump supporters have shown that they will support ANYTHING Trump says or does so that does not inspire any confidence. Trump is stupid enough to go to war with Iran and you would support him if he did.
 
The left will try and have us believe that the Trump administration's decision to claim Israeli settlements are legal is counterproductive.

In 1978, it was the state department's legal opinion that the settlements were illegal. and against international law. There is no US law that says the settlements are illegal. Again, this was just a 40 year old legal"opinion" coming from the state dept which Trump has the total authority to reverse.

Israel is not in the U.S is it?
 
Israel is not in the U.S is it?

Nope, all the more reason The U.S. should leave the issue of the settlements up to the Israeli courts to settle.
 
No you don't believe that Trump supporters are tired of wars.

You opened your big fat mouth about your real beliefs earlier in this thread.

Fake much?

My big fat mouth... :2razz:

You need to calm down. My position is that I have heard many Trump supporters say they are tired of endless wars. I am not accusing them of lying, but I think they are unwittingly supporting nationalist and self interest driven world order that historically leads to massive wars. Since GWB, many right wing voters think it’s acceptable for America to behave like a rouge nation. Trump talks like every nation should be a nationalist rouge actor. We know historically it leads to massive wars and unstable alliances based on short term interests
 
well you will be isolated even more, the EU has a differing view when it comes to the West Bank and illegal settlements it's more in line with the EU .... Trump and America should just quit the UN as he and Washington has no respect for the international community or the UN and move the UN headquarters to Geneva
The US leads; it doesn't need to follow the EU down a rat hole.

For this to end, peace, one side needs to lose and accept loss. There is no two state solution.

There are many who do not want peace. For many the total annihilation of Israel is paramount.


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