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Palestinian shot in back says Israelis abused him for hours

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oneworld2 said:
That famous Jewish supremacism is on display again for the millionth time here.

The stats say otherwise.

You drop leaflets that say people should leave this or that area and it looks good but the reality is they don't say where they should go that would be safe and move to other areas only to get killed there because they too are under fire . It's not like this has never been done before either and I have seen examples of their use from WW2.
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Israel builds bunkers for its population.

Had Hamas cared for Palestinians it would build the same out of the tons of building materials they waste on terror tunnels.
 
Apocalypse said:
You're far more than welcome to refer us to any military in the history of humanity that sent alarms to citizens & enemy combatants alike before striking, that sent leaflets warning of incoming attacks and that spent 40 minutes with a single person on the phone just to convince him to evacuate a building before an incoming strike.
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and what has your answer to do with my question?
 
Apocalypse said:
Doesn't seem like he's making excuses for anyone, just confronting you for your words.
Do you attack other people's right to exist or just Israelis?
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There was no argument against israelis having a right to exist.
 
Apocalypse said:
Doesn't seem like he's making excuses for anyone, just confronting you for your words.
Do you attack other people's right to exist or just Israelis?
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Draw answered your question then you say it doesnt matter. The ****?
 
Drawdown said:
Do you make excuses for other countries' human rights violations or just Israel's?
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Dodge.

Do you usually support political movements who have as their core goal the destruction of another state and the liquidation of its people, or just the Palestinians?
 
snakestretcher said:
Nobody wants to destroy Israel. This is emotive nonsense. Those who are averse to Israel's foreign policy vis-a-vis Palestine want the current far-right regime gone and replaced with more moderate and reasonable people who actually want a lasting peace, unlike Netanyahu and his cabal who have done everything in their power to ensure conflict continues until all remaining Arab enclaves have been removed.
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Well that's complete BS if I've ever seen it. The central goal of the Palestinian national movement has always been Israel's destruction. Either you are being dishonest or you are not paying attention.
 
bomberfox said:
There was no argument against israelis having a right to exist.
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People who claim that terrorists who target Israelis for murder should not be targeted, that Israelis should be murdered with the Israeli state that is meant to defend them stadning idle by, that is an argument for Israelis not having a right to exist. So spare me the nonsense.

There are people here who claim that Islamic terror groups that call for the genocide of all Jewish people should be armed with better weapons.
Who do you think they're fooling? Who do you think you're fooling?
 
german hick said:
and what has your answer to do with my question?
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A direct answer to your question.
Reality completely destroyed your attempt at an argument it seems, it usually happens to you doesn't it.
 
oneworld2 said:
That famous Jewish supremacism is on display again for the millionth time here.
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Saying that Israel does something better (evidently) than all of others is Jewish supremacism?
Sweden makes the best furnitures - is that Swedish supremacism?

To you anyone that even remotely suggests Jews are human beings is a "Jewish supremacist" which is itself a made-up term not describing anything real.
Funny.

The stats say otherwise.

You drop leaflets that say people should leave this or that area and it looks good but the reality is they don't say where they should go that would be safe and move to other areas only to get killed there because they too are under fire . It's not like this has never been done before either and I have seen examples of their use from WW2.

To another PR dupe.

They fire small missiles at homes of people alleged to play some part , evidence for it doesn't appear necessary , with a view to striking it with a massive bomb to level it minutes later. We are supposed to ignore thee fact that these are peoples homes that are being destroyed btw. Then ,in such densely populated areas as Gaza urban centres , with the sound of conflict all around investigations confirm that people inside don't even know if it is their roof that has been hit or not , or that the sound was from a more distant explosion altogether.

If they think it might be their building they might run outside and down the street only to find that they are running towards the very buiding that is targeted at the very time the flattening missile is on its way. The UN did and investigation and found , along with many HR groups investigations that the policy wasn't an efficient/effective warning mechanism and actually only served to confuse and terrorize Palestinian civilians.

The fact that the IDF has often fired a secondary missile at those attempting to respond to a first strike makes a complete mockery of your claim too. Along with a one time official policy of using Palestinian civilians to perform risky tasks , often at gun point , that endangered their lives.

Thinking around how many calories should be allowed in for the Palestinians of Gaza to keep them alive , just , rather than have the PR debacle of mass starvations there.he lists go no and your claim is farcical to any that have spent any time actually studying the conflict.
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Oh yes more of the 'expert' stuff we came to know.

Warning Leaflets | Atomic Heritage Foundation


U.N.: Israeli ‘Roof-Knocks’ Did Not Provide Effective Warning to Gaza Civilians – Foreign Policy

Israel/Palestine: Unlawful Israeli Airstrikes Kill Civilians | Human Rights Watch
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I don't happen to care for what any of these three organizations have to say on anything, let alone on the subject they're most keen on demonizing.
 
Apocalypse said:
People who claim that terrorists who target Israelis for murder should not be targeted, that Israelis should be murdered with the Israeli state that is meant to defend them stadning idle by, that is an argument for Israelis not having a right to exist. So spare me the nonsense.

There are people here who claim that Islamic terror groups that call for the genocide of all Jewish people should be armed with better weapons.
Who do you think they're fooling? Who do you think you're fooling?
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Thats not what was being argued. Nobody in this thread is arguing for better armament of hezbollah. You are just whining.
 
Fledermaus said:
Israel builds bunkers for its population.

Had Hamas cared for Palestinians it would build the same out of the tons of building materials they waste on terror tunnels.
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Comparing the options open to the state of Israel to that of Hamas is ridiculous and only confirmst your limited level of understanding imo
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Well that's complete BS if I've ever seen it. The central goal of the Palestinian national movement has always been Israel's destruction. Either you are being dishonest or you are not paying attention.
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Nyeeeh its not like they are having to deal with a vicious campaign of ethno nationalism so vitriolic that Netanyahu went so far as to blame them for the holocaust while he promotes further settlements beyond israeli territory nosireee.
 
Apocalypse said:
People who claim that terrorists who target Israelis for murder should not be targeted, that Israelis should be murdered with the Israeli state that is meant to defend them stadning idle by, that is an argument for Israelis not having a right to exist. So spare me the nonsense.

There are people here who claim that Islamic terror groups that call for the genocide of all Jewish people should be armed with better weapons.
Who do you think they're fooling? Who do you think you're fooling?
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Ive only seen one post denying a people’s right to exist and it wasnt about israelis.
 
Apocalypse said:
Saying that Israel does something better (evidently) than all of others is Jewish supremacism?
Sweden makes the best furnitures - is that Swedish supremacism?

To you anyone that even remotely suggests Jews are human beings is a "Jewish supremacist" which is itself a made-up term not describing anything real.
Funny.



Oh yes more of the 'expert' stuff we came to know.




I don't happen to care for what any of these three organizations have to say on anything, let alone on the subject they're most keen on demonizing.
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This shows your rampant dishonesty. You hand wave any source that disagrees with you. I ask you. Who do you think you are fooling with playing this victim game?
 
Apocalypse said:
People who claim that terrorists who target Israelis for murder should not be targeted, that Israelis should be murdered with the Israeli state that is meant to defend them stadning idle by, that is an argument for Israelis not having a right to exist. So spare me the nonsense.
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The state of Israel has every right to defend its people and nobody claims otherwise. What they do differently from people like yourself , is they apply that standard to all other peoples too. So when Israel decides to attack people in Lebanon the same people invoke the right of Lebanese to defend themselves. Or when they violate the rights ,en masse , of the Palestinians and/or attack them the same people invoke the right of Palestinians to defend themselves as best they can and fight for their freedoms currently be denied them by the state of Israel and it's enablers the IDF in which most Israelis will serve.

But the context is and this is crucial............Israel is defending itself the way every other occupying power has to defend itself , from the people they are abusing , violating , subjugating

There are people here who claim that Islamic terror groups that call for the genocide of all Jewish people should be armed with better weapons.
Who do you think they're fooling? Who do you think you're fooling?
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The person ( not people ) you are talking about is me and you are deliberately misrepresenting it because that's what you are good at , misrepresentations.

I called for the better arming of the Palestinians generally acknowledging that that would include groups that have carried out terrorist attacks as well a legitimate acts of resistance to a mass rights violating foreign occupier state.

The context was that , in my view , the better the balance of military power the less likely the constant spikes in violence might be and the more parity in the combatants abilities to engage with eachother the less likely the resort to war crimes and/or terrorism. In short the comment was aimed at trying to STOP the cycles of violence and the illegal actions that occur in them every time on both sides. Something you have been a vocal opponent of , no doubt , precisely because of the lack of parity. The guy with the bat who doesn't want the fight they are having with the child to be brought to a stop

Of course you will misrepresent that in a bid to sully me , it's completely expected seeing as you hold that everyone who disagrees with Israeli foreign policy or the ongoing repression and violations of the Palestinians must be a raging antisemite that wishes for the murder of all Jews and the death of the state itself.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
You mean the Palestinians?
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The human right violations commited by the state of Israel and it's enablers against the Palestinians far outweigh anything the Palestinians dish out in the opposite direction. Correct ?
 
bomberfox said:
Thats not what was being argued. Nobody in this thread is arguing for better armament of hezbollah. You are just whining.
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Whining about what? Your whining?
 
bomberfox said:
This shows your rampant dishonesty. You hand wave any source that disagrees with you. I ask you. Who do you think you are fooling with playing this victim game?
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Who is playing a victim game?
Where did I say I have issue with any source that disagrees with me?
I don't find your opinion relevant, I don't find you honest. I don't think you're fooling anyone, I already said so, I know what you're about and what is your radical agenda. I even know how you've been radicalized.
 
bomberfox said:
Ive only seen one post denying a people’s right to exist and it wasnt about israelis.
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You're wearing your radical glasses, I don't find it relevant what you chose to see.
 
bomberfox said:
This shows your rampant dishonesty. You hand wave any source that disagrees with you. I ask you. Who do you think you are fooling with playing this victim game?
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He doesn't just " hand wave " he claims they are all vile Jew haters. To him the entire world and most of the people in it are also vile Jew haters.

It serves as a good way of not having to answer evidence/facts that run counter to his preferred narrative and has the added bonus of making posters defend themselves from the racist slurs instead of carrying on with their arguments and points
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Well that's complete BS if I've ever seen it. The central goal of the Palestinian national movement has always been Israel's destruction. Either you are being dishonest or you are not paying attention.
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It is just as easily argued that the national goal of the Zionist movement was to acquire as much territory as it could whilst ridding itself of the burden of having the remaining Arabs living there , or as many as it could get away with
 
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