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Hamas being Hamas... Killing teens... Cheering the terrorist murderer.

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Tigerace117 said:
Isolationism at this point is just folly. The oceans weren’t big enough to keep the outside world out in 1941, much less today; like it or not the US is involved in the wider world and expected to have a stance on important issues. “Meddling” isn’t the right word
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Fledermaus said:
So... And we have what is likely to have been an accidental death of a "medic" in the midst of a crowd....

What does it have to do with the INTENTIONAL death at the hands of a terrorist Bomber and a Hamas bigwig cheering about it?

And... Opening an investigation is done to determine whether or not it was intentional... Not because it was "decided" it was intentional.

What WAS decided BY the investigation was : Israeli soldiers did not fire directly at Razan al-Najjar.
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Only if one totally ignores the fact that B’Tselem said it was likely not accidentally, or that the IDF likewise rejected that theory at one point; oh and lied about the medic being affiliated with Hamas.

If it was an “accident” there wouldn’t be any reason to smear the person killed.

If it was clearly an accident, like you seem to think, there wouldn’t be an investigation in the first place; after all, the IDF did initially try and make that case. The argument was rejected....which was why the investigation was therefore opened.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Only if one totally ignores the fact that B’Tselem said it was likely not accidentally, or that the IDF likewise rejected that theory at one point; oh and lied about the medic being affiliated with Hamas.

If it was an “accident” there wouldn’t be any reason to smear the person killed.

If it was clearly an accident, like you seem to think, there wouldn’t be an investigation in the first place; after all, the IDF did initially try and make that case. The argument was rejected....which was why the investigation was therefore opened.
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B’Tselem can say what they want. It doesn't make it true.

What does it have to do with the INTENTIONAL death at the hands of a terrorist Bomber and a Hamas bigwig cheering about it?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The US certainly backed domestic groups in those countries which seized power, often via coups, but there is an important difference between that and “installing a government”.
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lol no wonder you are able to fool yourself so easily

We did overthrow Noriega, who was a brutal thug involved in drug trafficking, and we did support a coup in Guatemala actively, but the rest of your argument is literally bull****.
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Most of his drug running career was carried out when he was a CIA lackie and they only dumped him when he became a liability to their interests,
 
Fledermaus said:
Not much of an answer... You yelled and screamed when I stated Israel owned Gaza.

Well?

Who owns it?
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You don't deserve any answers and I didn't " scream " about anything , I said you were wrong about it
 
oneworld2 said:
lol no wonder you are able to fool yourself so easily



Most of his drug running career was carried out when he was a CIA lackie and they only dumped him when he became a liability to their interests,
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Coming from a guy that fawns over ever terrorist group and anti American thug to come down the pipe that’s totally meaningless.

No, actually, Noriega actually only stepped up his activities as the years went on.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Coming from a guy that fawns over ever terrorist group and anti American thug to come down the pipe that’s totally meaningless.

No, actually, Noriega actually only stepped up his activities as the years went on.
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Ignoring again the childish slurs

Yes actually, the US drug people knew he was involved as far back as the early 1970's and after he had been trained in the US and used to smash unionization in the US firm United Fruit Company

wiki said:
Noriega's relationship with the U.S. intelligence services was regularized during the 1970s, when he was on the CIA payroll;[32] the CIA made its first regular payment to him in 1971.[1][10][12] Previously he had been paid on a case-by-case basis.[23] The CIA had valued him as an asset since the 1970s because he was willing to provide information (((...))) Dinges wrote that in the early 1970s the U.S. Justice Department had enough evidence to bring an indictment of Noriega on drug charges in a U.S. court, but chose not to do so because of the diplomatic consequences involved.

Beginning in 1972, however, Dinges writes that the U.S. relaxed its efforts at trapping individuals involved with smuggling within the Panama government, possibly as a result of an agreement between Torrijos and U.S. president Richard Nixon.
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Manuel Noriega - Wikipedia
 
NO1 said:
And whose fault is that?
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NO1:

Whose to blame? Both sides, Palestinian Arabs and Israeli citizens, since the turn of the last century. Blaming is irrelevant however as blame does not solve any problems. Finding a fair and just future for both peoples in a/two shared homeland(s) is the important thing now. But idiots and bigots on both sides stand in the way of this. Thus new leadership is needed in both Israel and in Arab Palestine to make a better future for all involved. That way fewer terns will have to die from Hamas IEDs or Israeli artillery/air strikes.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
oneworld2 said:
Ignoring again the childish slurs

Yes actually, the US drug people knew he was involved as far back as the early 1970's and after he had been trained in the US and used to smash unionization in the US firm United Fruit Company



Manuel Noriega - Wikipedia
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So in other words the Panamanians wanted him protected. Then he continued his drug related activities long after he wasn’t a “CUA flukie” anymore.

In other words, the reverse of the fairy tale you invented....as usual.
 
Tigerace117 said:
We did not “install governments in Argentina, Brazil, or Chile(or Costa Rica, or El Salvador, for that matter); nor did we invade Paraguay(where the hell are you getting this crap? Peru, or Uruguay, and unless you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claims of “US involvement in Venezuela” it is nothing more than you repeating a silly conspiracy theory.

The US certainly backed domestic groups in those countries which seized power, often via coups, but there is an important difference between that and “installing a government”.

We did overthrow Noriega, who was a brutal thug involved in drug trafficking, and we did support a coup in Guatemala actively, but the rest of your argument is literally bull****.

Now, isn’t there a “social fascist” you have to go try to brain with a bike lock?
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:lamo i thought you might just feign ignorance. Apocalypse is still 100% right about your bias.
 
Tigerace117 said:
We did not “install governments in Argentina, Brazil, or Chile(or Costa Rica, or El Salvador, for that matter); nor did we invade Paraguay(where the hell are you getting this crap? Peru, or Uruguay, and unless you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claims of “US involvement in Venezuela” it is nothing more than you repeating a silly conspiracy theory.

The US certainly backed domestic groups in those countries which seized power, often via coups, but there is an important difference between that and “installing a government”.

We did overthrow Noriega, who was a brutal thug involved in drug trafficking, and we did support a coup in Guatemala actively, but the rest of your argument is literally bull****.

Now, isn’t there a “social fascist” you have to go try to brain with a bike lock?
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As for “social fascist...” its just fascist.
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Excellent praxis
 
Tigerace117 said:
Coming from a guy that fawns over ever terrorist group and anti American thug to come down the pipe that’s totally meaningless.

No, actually, Noriega actually only stepped up his activities as the years went on.
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:lamo
 
Fledermaus said:
Hamas leader praises 'heroic' murder of Israeli teen

And then the irony....

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh sent Israel a warning in light of the serious injury to the terrorist who murdered Rina Shnerb, sustained while he was interrogated by Israeli security forces.

Murder of Rina Shnerb - Wikipedia
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Israel spanked the bottoms of their unjustly hateful squatting enemies in 1967. Hamas had better hope and pray Israel does not have to do it again.
 
bomberfox said:
:lamo i thought you might just feign ignorance. Apocalypse is still 100% right about your bias.
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I see you have no proof that we invaded any of those countries. Thought so.

Half baked conspiracy theories is all you have.
 
Fledermaus said:
B’Tselem can say what they want. It doesn't make it true.

What does it have to do with the INTENTIONAL death at the hands of a terrorist Bomber and a Hamas bigwig cheering about it?
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The IDF can say it was accidental all it wants(or change it’s mind, as it so happened) but that doesn’t make it true either.

As I’ve throughly demonstrated, there’s lots of cheering about death on all sides
 
Evilroddy said:
NO1:

Whose to blame? Both sides, Palestinian Arabs and Israeli citizens, since the turn of the last century. Blaming is irrelevant however as blame does not solve any problems. Finding a fair and just future for both peoples in a/two shared homeland(s) is the important thing now. But idiots and bigots on both sides stand in the way of this. Thus new leadership is needed in both Israel and in Arab Palestine to make a better future for all involved. That way fewer terns will have to die from Hamas IEDs or Israeli artillery/air strikes.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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No, the blockade on Gaza is Hamas fault. Israel withdraw from Gaza and got thousands of rockets in return. It’s solely on Hamas.

And as for new leadership, who is exectly the current leader of the palestinians?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The IDF can say it was accidental all it wants(or change it’s mind, as it so happened) but that doesn’t make it true either.

As I’ve throughly demonstrated, there’s lots of cheering about death on all sides
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Yea we get it, only when the US saying that it's true. Matter of fact, if Israel were air bombing the so called "protests" and killing hundreds of unarmed civilians it would be ok for you right? Because the US is doing it too...
That is straightforward hypocracy.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The IDF can say it was accidental all it wants(or change it’s mind, as it so happened) but that doesn’t make it true either.

As I’ve throughly demonstrated, there’s lots of cheering about death on all sides
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Please show a major player in the Israeli government who cheered the death of medics.
 
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