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Hamas being Hamas... Killing teens... Cheering the terrorist murderer.

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Tigerace117 said:
“Sooner or later” is not today; nor is it a motivation for events occurring in the past. As I said before, if oil control was really the US’ concern we would have gotten rid of Maduro when he started crashing Venezuela into the ground. And the whole little rant about “scarcity” only goes double to prove my point; if that was actually the US’ goal we certainly would have intervened. Instead we stayed out.

Again, which means the US would have intervened when Venezuela started crashing. Hell, if one was to use your lazy conspiracy theory as the motive for Iraq the US certainty would have ensured that an actual puppet state had been set up, rather than allowing the Iraqis to create their own democratic country.

You can complain about the US being allied with Saudi Arabia all you want(though given the kind of regimes, even in the region itself, that get a free pass it’s rather amusing) but they certainly aren’t a US “puppet”, they certainly did request US protection, and part of being allied with someone is giving them protection should they request it. You can blame that psychopath Saddam for that.

Except the US doesn’t control the oil states. Like I said before.

Yes, yes, you’ve made it quite clear you find women voting and middle eastern countries not being ruled by brutal anti American dictators to be “odious”.
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If the Americans were smart and really interested in economic imperialism like the Russians or the Chinese they would do everything they could to disrupt and displace foreign resource production in any area where the Americans could act as alternative suppliers.

You like heat, going to have to get it from the Americans. You like cars, gonna need to get your fuel from the Americans. Economic strangulation of all other economies to create a series of bilateral subservient client states that can be punished by death and darkness for non-cooperation.

But the American approach following WWII was nothing like that. It was about defending and empowering allies, and promoting trade deals to build multilateral integration and prosperity, stability and growth.

Leftists don’t like the American project because it demonstrates the bankruptcy of their ideology and objectives. And so they lie about everything.

All while promoting economic illiteracy and incoherent “big pictures” of what is “really” going on.


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Tigerace117 said:
The tactic doesn’t work. That was the whole goddamn point! Even when the US used it a women ran back inside the ****ing building! Aside from confusing the hell out of civilians it doesn’t do jack ****!
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I'm sure you know better than actual US military advisors, being... what, exactly, again?
 
Tigerace117 said:
She was killed, not murdered. You're clearly using her death here to promote your pro-murder propaganda, who do you think you're fooling here?



A lie as usual, and again, don't put me with the likes of you.



No. Is flat out lying the best you can do to promote your pro-murder agenda? Absolutely.



What's hysterical is how you're twisting and losing it now trying to deny the words of Hamas itself that are used against it. Hamas has no interest to lie, they routinely exaggerate civilian casualties for the backing of your kind. It's really the most pathetic thing you've done so far to try and promote the terrorists' propaganda better than they do.



I don't think your opinion matters as much as you believe it does, I also don't find it surprising that someone who inserts a lie literally in every one of his comments because it's crystal clear to him he's with the bad people would reject reality.

Your pathetic attempt was destroyed from several different directions and the best you could do is provide nothing of substance.
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Yes, she volunteered to perform medical care at events where people were often hurt.....like protests. Like I said before there’s nothing sinister—or even out of the ordinary—about that.

Yes, she was murdered, and the IDF attempted to smear her after her death to justify her murder via deceptive editing and outright lies.

“Pro murder propaganda”

:lamo

What? I’ve been pretty explicitly anti-murder; it’d be amusing to see what kind of deranged load of bull**** you come up with to justify that particular whopper.

Oh look, more delusional hysteria from you. “Pro murder propaganda”, calling me a Nazi, literally contradicting yourself within words up above(Hamas has no interest in lying, but they lie all the time. Do you even read the kind of crap you post?).....it’s all rather amusing.

You are nothing more than a petulant five year old throwing a temper tantrum.[/QUOTE]

Was she intentionally targeted?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The tactic doesn’t work. That was the whole goddamn point! Even when the US used it a women ran back inside the ****ing building! Aside from confusing the hell out of civilians it doesn’t do jack ****!
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Says who? You? A UN committee struck to find that Israel is in the wrong and only for that purpose.

This line of argument is laughable. You can do better.


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bomberfox said:
We get it nothing will convince you otherwise so you need to project.
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Ahahhahahahaha.

Yeah, you got me.

Too funny


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Apocalypse said:
And here I thought Gaza was a prison.

You guys should just have a meeting and make a decision on what route to take because it's getting really confusing.
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No, they like it this way.

Remember that “academic” article on how racist Israelis were because they don’t rape Palestinians?


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Fledermaus said:
Israel is happy to HELP those wishing to leave Gaza....

Weren't the Palestinians of Gaza complaining they could not leave?
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Fledermaus:

Read the article and see the agenda behind the help. They must agree to never return. create conditions so bad that desperate people will do anything to leave and then "help" them in exchange for a solemn promise to never return. Forum rules prevent me from calling this what it is, but I think we all understand my meaning.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
bomberfox said:
Lol wikipedia if wikipedia says it it must be truuuue :lamo. The only one projecting 19th century imperialism and deflecting to satisfy your jingoism is you. Yes we have aided and abetted in the spread of fascism. Not to mention the geopolitical situation in the ME is largely the fault of the US
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The geopolitical situation in the ME predates US intervention. Hell, it predates the Crusades. Absent a strongman/dictatorship like the Ottoman Empire or the Romans or the Sassanids the area has been fractured and fractious.
 
Evilroddy said:
Fledermaus:

Read the article and see the agenda behind the help. They must agree to never return. create conditions so bad that desperate people will do anything to leave and then "help" them in exchange for a solemn promise to never return. Forum rules prevent me from calling this what it is, but I think we all understand my meaning.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Yes we certainly do. You think that Israel is planning to, what, pay for 2 million Palestinians to empty out Gaza? Or than maybe Israel doesn’t want to pay for terrorists to go train and smuggle weapons back into Gaza?

Please try to keep your anti-Israel rantings reality-based.


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Evilroddy said:
Fledermaus:

Read the article and see the agenda behind the help. They must agree to never return. create conditions so bad that desperate people will do anything to leave and then "help" them in exchange for a solemn promise to never return. Forum rules prevent me from calling this what it is, but I think we all understand my meaning.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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And if the Palestinians don't agree they don't get Israeli help....
 
Fledermaus said:
And if the Palestinians don't agree they don't get Israeli help....
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Weird. I mean, usually when I set as my objective the destruction of another country and the expulsion of the bulk of its population I also would be upset that they don’t agree to help me...


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CJ 2.0 said:
Yup. Here we have it. Unless I can somehow “prove” the things the basket case of brutal dictatorships and illiberal regimes have said, we should take them to be true. Which of course applies to no other nations, but we are talking about Israel, the only country for which “when did you stop beating your wife” is viewed as being a legitimate question.

Your bias is showing.


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Except the vast majority of the states on the council were not either “basket cases” or “brutal regimes”. In fact, the only two which really fit the bill were Eriteria and Burkina Faso.
 
Apocalypse said:
I'm sure you know better than actual US military advisors, being... what, exactly, again?
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Rather upset that the woman ran back inside the building.....they said it was “very difficult to watch”.

But that’s why the UN pointed out the tactic was ineffective.....it confuses the hell out of civilians.
 
Fledermaus said:
Yes, she volunteered to perform medical care at events where people were often hurt.....like protests. Like I said before there’s nothing sinister—or even out of the ordinary—about that.

Yes, she was murdered, and the IDF attempted to smear her after her death to justify her murder via deceptive editing and outright lies.

“Pro murder propaganda”

:lamo

What? I’ve been pretty explicitly anti-murder; it’d be amusing to see what kind of deranged load of bull**** you come up with to justify that particular whopper.

Oh look, more delusional hysteria from you. “Pro murder propaganda”, calling me a Nazi, literally contradicting yourself within words up above(Hamas has no interest in lying, but they lie all the time. Do you even read the kind of crap you post?).....it’s all rather amusing.

You are nothing more than a petulant five year old throwing a temper tantrum.
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Was she intentionally targeted?[/QUOTE]

Given that Israel has repeatedly killed medics, and that they went to the trouble of lying about her....seems quite possible, but there’s no way to tell for sure short of an admission
 
Apocalypse said:
Then prove it. Prove she was murdered and not killed by a mistake. Prove there was intent to kill her.
Either do so or admit that you're using the death of a young woman just for the sake of promoting the murder of another young woman - and this is essentially all you've been doing here.



Oh stop it you.

Seriously you're losing it.
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If it was a “mistake” why attempt to smear her as affiliated with terrorists? Why lie about “hordes of terrorists”? Why justify the killings of unarmed protestors? Why try and call me a Nazi? Yeah, your line doesn’t add up.

Shrieking about “pro murder propaganda” makes it pretty clear you have no room to talk about, well, anyone
 
Apocalypse said:
Then why is it that you failed to base any of this hypocritical propaganda nonsense? Why is it that you only provide lies as arguments? Because none of that is true. And yes obviously you do think we're supposed to ignore your comments for their content and pretend you aren't completely lying your way through and through just for the sake of standing with murderers and vicious Islamist jihadists against the bad bad j00z.
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I’ve provided numerous sources. You’ve responded by circling up in the fetal position and shrieking “lies all lies” and dancing around calling me a Nazi.

:lamo

Please provide any evidence whatsoever of me supporting jihadists. I’ll wait.
 
Apocalypse said:
What's so funny about a factual statement? I find it rather boring to point out the obvious nature of your comments.
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Please provide any evidence of me supporting jihadists.....or being an “ultranationalist” for that matter.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Ooooh. A UN COMMISSION. Wow. Well that settles it.

Who struck the commission, and what were the pre-existing views of the people on it?

And how does that procedure compare against the western approach of just bombing those places without warning? Is it still better than that? Or do we have no standards for Israel’s enemies, a low standard for other western countries, and a standard of absolute perfection for Israel? Cause that’s what it looks like from your positions.
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“Warning”—- yeah, such a great warning that people go racing back into the blast radius. That’s like the literal exact opposite of what a warning is supposed to do.

Considering that “apocalypse” was posturing about what great lengths Israel supposedly goes to to prevent collateral damage(I believe the exact wording was “the most in history”) then yes, the tactic should actually produce the desired results.
 
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