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Hamas being Hamas... Killing teens... Cheering the terrorist murderer.

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Hamas leader praises 'heroic' murder of Israeli teen

And then the irony....

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh sent Israel a warning in light of the serious injury to the terrorist who murdered Rina Shnerb, sustained while he was interrogated by Israeli security forces.

Murder of Rina Shnerb - Wikipedia
 
Fledermaus said:
Hamas leader praises 'heroic' murder of Israeli teen

And then the irony....

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh sent Israel a warning in light of the serious injury to the terrorist who murdered Rina Shnerb, sustained while he was interrogated by Israeli security forces.

Murder of Rina Shnerb - Wikipedia
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Qur'an 9:29, "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled".

The title could read, "HAMAS obeying the command of God".
 
Best way of solving the annoyance of a needle stuck in the vinyl lies in getting rid of the vinyl altogether.
 
Another innocent person dies of terrorism with two more injured as a result of the ongoing conflict .

You would think with every death on either side it would push people into wanting to support a just resolution of the situation altogether because these acts just ensure that the extremists on both sides are sure to have a steady supply of followers. Violence begets more violence and so the cycle continues. So sad and moving in the wrong direction for so long
 
Chagos said:
Best way of solving the annoyance of a needle stuck in the vinyl lies in getting rid of the vinyl altogether.
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How do you suppose that might be achieved ?

And , are not both needle and vinyl responsible for the problem ?
 
oneworld2 said:
How do you suppose that might be achieved ?

And , are not both needle and vinyl responsible for the problem ?
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I could have used the example of Tibetan prayer mill instead of vinyl but let's just call it all a reference to a personal obsession (not mine nor yours) that apparently no forum here is safe from.
 
Chagos said:
I could have used the example of Tibetan prayer mill instead of vinyl but let's just call it all a reference to a personal obsession (not mine nor yours) that apparently no forum here is safe from.
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You appear to know the solution but decided not to answer the questions as to what it is.

So , again......

How do you suppose that might be achieved ?

And , are not both needle and vinyl responsible for the problem ?
 
oneworld2 said:
You appear to know the solution but decided not to answer the questions as to what it is.

So , again......

How do you suppose that might be achieved ?

And , are not both needle and vinyl responsible for the problem ?
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Bye.:2wave:
 
oneworld2 said:
How do you suppose that might be achieved ?

And , are not both needle and vinyl responsible for the problem ?
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I do believe he was talking about me and the fact that I blame verses in the Qur'an that tell Muslims to fight infidels for the fact that some Muslims do indeed fight infidels.
 
stevecanuck said:
I do believe he was talking about me and the fact that I blame verses in the Qur'an that tell Muslims to fight infidels for the fact that some Muslims do indeed fight infidels.
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Okay

Do you think that there are other problems here besides the Quran ?


The First nation Americans didn't have a religious book to refer to that saw them resist their own displacement and possession did they ? This is a nationalist struggle between two groups of people for the same strip of land , does that actually need invocation of God ?

If you were overrun by the Chinese would people resist because of the Bible or because they are fearing subjugation/displacement/occupation ?
 
oneworld2 said:
Okay

Do you think that there are other problems here besides the Quran ?


The First nation Americans didn't have a religious book to refer to that saw them resist their own displacement and possession did they ? This is a nationalist struggle between two groups of people for the same strip of land , does that actually need invocation of God ?

If you were overrun by the Chinese would people resist because of the Bible or because they are fearing subjugation/displacement/occupation ?
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Yes, of course there's that context to it, but then we get into the whole "true ownership" debate, and that's one giant tar baby.

But, back to the killing of a civilian, there is no justification for that regardless of centuries-old squabbles and hatreds. If you go back 1400 years, you'll see that the only reason Muslims are there is that they invaded the holy land and took it from the previous conquerors. Where does it end?
 
stevecanuck said:
Yes, of course there's that context to it, but then we get into the whole "true ownership" debate, and that's one giant tar baby.

But, back to the killing of a civilian, there is no justification for that regardless of centuries-old squabbles and hatreds. If you go back 1400 years, you'll see that the only reason Muslims are there is that they invaded the holy land and took it from the previous conquerors. Where does it end?
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The true ownership thing is not really valid imo. Would you say the white settlers from Europe claims to be settling the Americas in the name of God and country had a real/valid claim ? Was the resistance to it a result of any religious belief ? These are nationalist struggles where religion is used as a useful call to arms.

AFAIR nobody has tried to justify any terrorist activity . I know I haven't and don't recall anyone having done so either

Nah , to me things are just more simple , you try to take someones homeland , they resist and it's the same the world over and regardless of religious denominations
 
oneworld2 said:
The true ownership thing is not really valid imo. Would you say the white settlers from Europe claims to be settling the Americas in the name of God and country had a real/valid claim ? Was the resistance to it a result of any religious belief ? These are nationalist struggles where religion is used as a useful call to arms.

AFAIR nobody has tried to justify any terrorist activity . I know I haven't and don't recall anyone having done so either

Nah , to me things are just more simple , you try to take someones homeland , they resist and it's the same the world over and regardless of religious denominations
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Clearly.

Look at how violent the Sudeten Germans have been lately. Let alone descendants of Hindu refugees in India who were forcibly displaced from Pakistan.

And those Serbs who were forcibly displaced from Croatia are certainly racking up the teenage murders too...


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oneworld2 said:
Okay

Do you think that there are other problems here besides the Quran ?


The First nation Americans didn't have a religious book to refer to that saw them resist their own displacement and possession did they ? This is a nationalist struggle between two groups of people for the same strip of land , does that actually need invocation of God ?

If you were overrun by the Chinese would people resist because of the Bible or because they are fearing subjugation/displacement/occupation ?
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Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

-Hamas
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Clearly.

Look at how violent the Sudeten Germans have been lately. Let alone descendants of Hindu refugees in India who were forcibly displaced from Pakistan.

And those Serbs who were forcibly displaced from Croatia are certainly racking up the teenage murders too...


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Ah, so your solution is ethnic cleansing. In that case there’s no reason for the US to continue providing Israel with aid if that’s the route they choose to take.
 
stevecanuck said:
Qur'an 9:29, "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled".

The title could read, "HAMAS obeying the command of God".
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There will never be peace in that region. Never

I’m surprised no one blamed Trump yet.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, so your solution is ethnic cleansing. In that case there’s no reason for the US to continue providing Israel with aid if that’s the route they choose to take.
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Sorry what? I am just pointing out that the “natural reaction” that some posters find the Palestinian embrace of violence, murder and rejectionism is not really borne out by the data.

Because unlike the countless other displacements in the 1940s or even the 1990s, only the Palestinians are acting the way they do.

Which means that the “natural reaction” ain’t that natural.

But nice try...
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Sorry what? I am just pointing out that the “natural reaction” that some posters find the Palestinian embrace of violence, murder and rejectionism is not really borne out by the data.

Because unlike the countless other displacements in the 1940s or even the 1990s, only the Palestinians are acting the way they do.

Which means that the “natural reaction” ain’t that natural.

But nice try...
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All of those groups were ethnically cleansed.

Patting yourself on the back for not committing ethnic cleansing is rather pathetic, by the way.

And like I said before.....if Israel thinks the solution, they can kiss all that juicy US aid adios.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Clearly.

Look at how violent the Sudeten Germans have been lately. Let alone descendants of Hindu refugees in India who were forcibly displaced from Pakistan.

And those Serbs who were forcibly displaced from Croatia are certainly racking up the teenage murders too...


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Actually it is clear and your bid to paint Palestinians as somehow wildely different from other groups that have resisted foreign domination and/or mass rights abuses is doomed to failure. Every group you have mentioned , regardless of how and why what happened to them happened to them , is now part of a national group that has it's defined borders and is enjoying authentic autonomy. The rights or wrongs of what preceded that are open to question but the fact remains they are , as I said , living in their own state as a people with self determination in which they are participants.

The case of the Palestinains sees the continuing Israel and other powerful groups indifference to the mass rights abuses served upon the Palestinian peoples by both neighbours and the state of Israel and the continuing denial of their right to self determination in a sovereign state of their own on lands that continue to see illegal settlers and brutal repression as part of their every day life.

Struggles for national liberation are violent by design in the vast majority of cases with occupiers/rulers violently trying to suppress the liberation movement and the people involved in them and those same people using violence to free themselves from their overlords

Your comparisons are , imo , completely illegitmate and only serve to muddy the waters further so that the status quo will remain. Why people would want that is beyond me
 
Fledermaus said:
Hamas leader praises 'heroic' murder of Israeli teen

And then the irony....

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh sent Israel a warning in light of the serious injury to the terrorist who murdered Rina Shnerb, sustained while he was interrogated by Israeli security forces.

Murder of Rina Shnerb - Wikipedia
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Terrible what people do when they are abused by the Israeli state.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Sorry what? I am just pointing out that the “natural reaction” that some posters find the Palestinian embrace of violence, murder and rejectionism is not really borne out by the data.

Because unlike the countless other displacements in the 1940s or even the 1990s, only the Palestinians are acting the way they do.

Which means that the “natural reaction” ain’t that natural.

But nice try...
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What is the history of people who have undergone a mass dispossession and displacement from their homelands by foreign invaders bent on the two pillars mentioned ? The data , overwhelmingly , supports the notion that it is violently resisted by them. You can cross the globe , forget religious convictions or colour differences , studying this stuff and the data actually completey undermines your claim
 
oneworld2 said:
What is the history of people who have undergone a mass dispossession and displacement from their homelands by foreign invaders bent on the two pillars mentioned ? The data , overwhelmingly , supports the notion that it is violently resisted by them. You can cross the globe , forget religious convictions or colour differences , studying this stuff and the data actually completey undermines your claim
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It's certainly no longer a surprise to see you jumping through hoops to justify the brutal murder of young girls and treat violence in general as something natural that should be expected and accepted and even called for.
 
Tigerace117 said:
All of those groups were ethnically cleansed.

Patting yourself on the back for not committing ethnic cleansing is rather pathetic, by the way.

And like I said before.....if Israel thinks the solution, they can kiss all that juicy US aid adios.
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And I believe that Israel would not support the US had it engaged in ethnic cleansing as well. The two nations have shared values. I don't see what this kind of imaginary scenarios has to do with anything really, looks to me as if you just feel again like pretending to be the President of the US and ordering policies around. You represent only yourself with your opinions, I already told you that once, talk about 'rather pathetic'.
 
noonereal said:
Terrible what people do when they are abused by the Israeli state.
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Yeah I bet you said the same when 9/11 happened.
When you justify one murder you justify all of them, do you appreciate murder in general or is it specifically when Jews are involved that you find it enjoyable?
 
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