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**Breaking news from Israel

The Jews who moved into the area known as Palestine were content to buy land... Only to be thwarted by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.... A man who later conspired with Hitler for his own version of the Final Solution and helped recruit Muslims to the Nazi cause.

It is believed that it was the Grand Mufti, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, who convinced the Germans to create the Final Solution. He was educated in French Catholic schools in Syria, commissioned as an officer during WWI for the Ottoman Empire forces. The British Mandate appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position invented by the Ottomans, replacing his brother who refused cooperation with the British. At this point he had no religious education of significance, but understood post WWI Arab politics demanded religious leaders to counter the Ottoman legacy of governmental secularism. He initially saw himself as liberator for Arabs from Ottoman rule. Almost immediately running into conflict with Chaim Weizman's Zionist movement. He was the main political force promising the lands of Israel as prizes of war for the Arab leaders who united for the 1948-49 war, reserving only rule of Jerusalem for himself, with no plans for a muslim nation. In Syria where he found protection from British Mandate imprisonment for fomenting riots, he was known as the betrayer of Syria, supporting the Allawite usurpation of King Faisal's throne, betraying his fellow Sunni. For that betrayal the Egyptians who then controlled Gaza, tried him in absentia, sentenced him to death. Many believed his preachings led to the assassination of Sadat. He was one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood. The first and still the most dangerous muslim terrorist group now outlawed in Egypt, functioning in the background in Syria today.

Hamas, was founded under his written guidance, on the basis of humanitarianism, but as a subterfuge for islamic terrorism, because lying to the infidel was expected as a tool of jihad. He was best known among islamic scholars for perverting Jihad from a personal battle for moral debate to a war cry for Arabs against all infidels. Before he fled the mandate, he personally was known to have led a group who assassinated Hindi servants, administrators and soldiers of the British forces, responsible for the torture and murder of more than 200 Hindi serving in the mandate.

During WWII he raised muslim troops for the Nazis, claiming unlike Britain or Russia, Germans had never gone to war with muslims, conveniently neglecting the role of the Tuetonic Knights who as crusaders conquered Jerusalem and other lands in Syria, Egypt and Israel, establishing a Christian kingdom in Jerusalem after slaying all of Jerusalem's inhabitants with no mercy.
 
No, I don’t. You don’t get to pretend lying ideological hacks are anything other than lying hacks unless others drop everything to explain it to you.

I’m not really fussed that you cite to him. It only reinforces what I know about those who take a reflexive anti-Israel position on everything.


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You have provided absolutely zilch in the way of support for your claim about Fisk and are still trying to wangle out of it lol whilst thinking you have some sort of credibility yourself

BTW I never cited him which only reinforces the view that you haven't a clue yourself about what youy are talking about. Hilarious!!
 
You have provided absolutely zilch in the way of support for your claim about Fisk and are still trying to wangle out of it lol whilst thinking you have some sort of credibility yourself

BTW I never cited him which only reinforces the view that you haven't a clue yourself about what youy are talking about. Hilarious!!

I don’t have to. That’s what’s so liberating about being prepared to dismiss propagandists out of hand. Enough people have dealt with him enough times, I don’t need to rehash it. And I don’t need to support it to you or anyone else the same way I don’t need to establish the force of gravity or that Jews do not secretly conspire to control the world.


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I don’t have to. That’s what’s so liberating about being prepared to dismiss propagandists out of hand. Enough people have dealt with him enough times, I don’t need to rehash it. And I don’t need to support it to you or anyone else the same way I don’t need to establish the force of gravity or that Jews do not secretly conspire to control the world.


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As I said earlier , hollow and baseless but now we can also add to the mix , lazy on your behalf.

I'm happy with that too
 
It is believed that it was the Grand Mufti, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, who convinced the Germans to create the Final Solution. .

Only by idiots who listen to propagadists imo

They are the other cheek on the same bum of the idiots that believe that Jews kill kids to make bread out of them.

Knock yourself out
 
Only by idiots who listen to propagadists imo

They are the other cheek on the same bum of the idiots that believe that Jews kill kids to make bread out of them.

Knock yourself out

The truth hurts, huh? Your hero was a murdering piece of trash. Another self serving false prophet, seeking power for his own aggrandizement, as he espoused his hate and bigotry. Whether or not he was one true author of the Final Solution, is irrelevant. It was his desire.
 
Only by idiots who listen to propagadists imo

They are the other cheek on the same bum of the idiots that believe that Jews kill kids to make bread out of them.

Knock yourself out

You do know the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler and did discuss eliminating Jews from the Holy Lands....

He signed a Nazi German Government agreement that recognized the right for Arabs to solve the question of the "Jewish Element" as the "Jewish Question" was being solved in Germany...

And that he did indeed recruit Muslims into the Waffen SS....

He worked with the Axis Powers in propaganda...

And that he was instrumental in anti Jewish riots such as the 1929 riot..

And that he worked to prevent Jewish immigration both before and after WWII...
 
The truth hurts, huh? Your hero was a murdering piece of trash. Another self serving false prophet, seeking power for his own aggrandizement, as he espoused his hate and bigotry. Whether or not he was one true author of the Final Solution, is irrelevant. It was his desire.

The truth ? From you ? lol
 
You do know the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler and did discuss eliminating Jews from the Holy Lands....

He signed a Nazi German Government agreement that recognized the right for Arabs to solve the question of the "Jewish Element" as the "Jewish Question" was being solved in Germany...

And that he did indeed recruit Muslims into the Waffen SS....

He worked with the Axis Powers in propaganda...

And that he was instrumental in anti Jewish riots such as the 1929 riot..

And that he worked to prevent Jewish immigration both before and after WWII...

As I said , " idiots and propagandists "

Some Zionists worked with the Nazis , Henry Ford received the highest foreign person award from them

That he was a fierce opponent of the Jewish takover of his land isn't in dispute , that he was the author of the Final Solution is propagandist junk imo so I'm not surprised to see you trying to put something together around it
 
As I said earlier , hollow and baseless but now we can also add to the mix , lazy on your behalf.

I'm happy with that too

Not lazy. Content. Lazy is not doing something you should be doing.

Content is happy with how things are. I know I do not need to engage with a conspiracy theorist about a bone-headed conspiracy, and I know I don't need to engage with the credibility of a two-bit propagandist, no matter how many times the same discussion needs to be had over and over again over the years.
I used o be less content so I've had a whole bunch of discussions over the years about lying propagandists like him, Chomsky, Finkelstein and other hacks like Gideon Levy and Ilan Pappe, . Now, I'm just happy to smile and move on.

I could recommend some literature to you if you really want to read into this sort of thing?
 
Only by idiots who listen to propagadists imo

They are the other cheek on the same bum of the idiots that believe that Jews kill kids to make bread out of them.

Knock yourself out

Not quite. One is a matter of degree and responsibility. The other is a bald-faced falsehood that has nothing to do with any aspect of reality.

Odd that you would reactively conflate the two.
 
Not quite. One is a matter of degree and responsibility. The other is a bald-faced falsehood that has nothing to do with any aspect of reality.

Odd that you would reactively conflate the two.

Not quite is okay with me too , not the same thing exactly but the same sentiments behind the commentary imo

You should know this too seeing as you yourself have something of a history for it
 
As I said , " idiots and propagandists "

Some Zionists worked with the Nazis , Henry Ford received the highest foreign person award from them

That he was a fierce opponent of the Jewish takover of his land isn't in dispute , that he was the author of the Final Solution is propagandist junk imo so I'm not surprised to see you trying to put something together around it

He wasn't THE author.... There were plenty of contributiors... He was a contributor.

And yes, Zionists worked with Nazis trying to get them relocated out of Germany and to the Levant.... All the Jews had to do is give everything of value to the German government at pennies on the dollar and receive credit towards German made products once they arrived at their destination....

Kinda beats concentration camps...
 
He wasn't THE author.... There were plenty of contributiors... He was a contributor.

And yes, Zionists worked with Nazis trying to get them relocated out of Germany and to the Levant.... All the Jews had to do is give everything of value to the German government at pennies on the dollar and receive credit towards German made products once they arrived at their destination....

Kinda beats concentration camps...

Read what OFG posted before you try to water it down

There were Jews that also tried to form alliances with Germany with a view to founding their state on the same " nationalist/totalitarian principles " and were involved im massacres of innocent Arab civilians

Your point is what ?

That some people on the Palestinian side flirted with Nazis for their own purposes ? Okay , but so did some Jewish people

The real point ? There are good and bad in all groups , hardly a revelation imo
 
Read what OFG posted before you try to water it down

There were Jews that also tried to form alliances with Germany with a view to founding their state on the same " nationalist/totalitarian principles " and were involved im massacres of innocent Arab civilians

Your point is what ?

That some people on the Palestinian side flirted with Nazis for their own purposes ? Okay , but so did some Jewish people

The real point ? There are good and bad in all groups , hardly a revelation imo

OMFG....

Jews worked with the Nazi government to prevent Jews from suffering under Nazi rule.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem joined hands with the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews....

Yeah.... Same, same.
 
This is the what? Millionth time you repeat such nonsense?
And it is based on what exactly? The overwhelming majority of Palestinians aren't violent.
It looks like just the same amount of every other Islamist country in conflict out there - Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

You're jumping through hoops to promote murderous violence against completely innocent people.

Completely innocent?

Lol.
 
I recognize Palestinians right to exist and I wish them to have a state of their own and I wish that state to be a functional one unlike the other Arab neighbors around.
I'm also realistic and I don't expect it to happen due to their extreme positions.

I'm hardly an extremist, but I can see why someone as radical in his pro-violence positions as you would think so.
All you seem to argue about is on how we should all allow violence to happen when it is directed against innocents, especially Western ones, and especially Jewish ones.
Sad. See how you're unable to cope with the fact that most Palestinians do not choose violence? Just sad.

Random home searches at gunpoint. Destruction of wells. Denial of all building permits. Denial of movement in the hot sun all day because a settler is driving on the roads. Etc etc etc. Got a new business taking off? Raw materials now banned from importation. Marley said it in a song: "every time I plant a seed, he say kill it before it grows". All this to make life so untenable they'll just leave already.

It simply isn't something anybody who supports Israel would tolerate if they woke up tomorrow Palestinian.
 
They were given land that they turned into a base for terror.

Why would Israel duplicate that mistake?

They were left to their own devices in a prison of Israels construction. They were not granted true self determination at any point.
 
Not quite is okay with me too , not the same thing exactly but the same sentiments behind the commentary imo

You should know this too seeing as you yourself have something of a history for it

Again, not even close.

The Mufti was exactly what the commentator said he was. He did the things the commentator said he did. The only question is how influential he was. Whether he caused the nazis to adopt the final solution or was just a loud cheerleader who tried to have it extended to the middle east while working to implement it in Europe is a matter of degree. I think the seeds were planted in the Germans’ rabid antisemitism and the Germans’ conduct in Africa in WW1, but that’s just me.

Having said that, nothing in the least allows for a blood libel to be an analogous comparison. It is not just embellished (the worst that poster cam be accused of), it is entirely false and malicious. I assume you know this and are just being purposely obtuse, but I’ve been surprised before so figured I would spell it out.


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Random home searches at gunpoint. Destruction of wells. Denial of all building permits. Denial of movement in the hot sun all day because a settler is driving on the roads. Etc etc etc. Got a new business taking off? Raw materials now banned from importation. Marley said it in a song: "every time I plant a seed, he say kill it before it grows". All this to make life so untenable they'll just leave already.

It simply isn't something anybody who supports Israel would tolerate if they woke up tomorrow Palestinian.

There is something insidiously unique about British anti-Israeli propaganda and how it is presented in the media there. Generates a totally warped perspective, such, but it presents itself in such particular ways.


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And yet they do as they wish IN GAZA...

Won’t work. In their world Gaza is still controlled by Israel and only Israel, notwithstanding that Israel does not have people there, does not control all of its borders, and quite clearly has no control over their government.

The web of lies and distortions that permeates their discourse on Israel is so pervasive and so pathological that they genuinely cannot see reality even when it is right in front of them.


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Random home searches at gunpoint. Destruction of wells. Denial of all building permits. Denial of movement in the hot sun all day because a settler is driving on the roads. Etc etc etc. Got a new business taking off? Raw materials now banned from importation. Marley said it in a song: "every time I plant a seed, he say kill it before it grows". All this to make life so untenable they'll just leave already.

It simply isn't something anybody who supports Israel would tolerate if they woke up tomorrow Palestinian.

I'm sorry that fighting terrorism upsets you. Random home searches at gunpoint? Try saving lives, and no one is pointing guns at people unless it's necessary.

If you were an Israeli you wouldn't tolerate rockets launched at your house. The point is that all this violence is pretty one sided and nearly always that's been the case.
 
Completely innocent?

Lol.

I get it, Jews aren't human beings to you and thus aren't innocent.
It's your radical opinion though, so I don't give much of a flying crap about it.
 
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