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Gazans Suffer Life-Shattering Injuries by Israeli Snipers When Border Protests Turn Violent

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Gazans suffer life-shattering injuries when border protests turn violent

For months, Palestinians in Gaza have protested their conditions along the border fence with Israel. The demonstrations have often turned violent -- even deadly. Doctors and international observers say they're disturbed by the devastating sniper injuries that further limit the young protesters’ prospects.

The Gaza Strip has been under blockade by Israel since June 2007, when Hamas took control of the territory, violently evicting the Palestinian Authority. It is one of the most densely populated places in the world, nearly two million people packed into a sliver of land 25 miles long and five miles wide.

Unemployment is at a staggering 52 percent, leaving young men like this feeling they have nothing to lose. The day Ahmed was shot, the Trump administration formally moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Palestinians have long declared that Jerusalem would one day be the capital of their future state.

Until that point, official U.S. policy on claims to the city had always been neutral and a subject for final negotiations.

We were there on that day as tens of thousands marched towards the border fence; 73 Palestinians were killed and over 2,500 injured. In the makeshift field hospitals, the wounded arrived at an alarming rate, almost all shot in the leg by snipers. Israeli sharpshooters hit so many, the hospitals couldn't cope.
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Gazans suffer life-shattering injuries when border protests turn violent | PBS NewsHour
 
Old 'N Chill said:
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Gazans suffer life-shattering injuries when border protests turn violent | PBS NewsHour
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And here is the other side of the story ...

August 16, 2019 - "... In a span of 10 days, six armed Palestinian terrorists — many of them current and former Hamas members — got through the security fence surrounding the Gaza Strip before being killed by Israeli troops. In one case on August 1, the gunman opened fire at IDF soldiers, injuring three of them, before he was shot dead.

Last Saturday, a group of four heavily armed terrorists, carrying assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and rations, attempted to infiltrate into Israeli territory before they were spotted and shot dead by troops on the border. ..."

Thousands of Palestinians protest on Gaza border | The Times of Israel
 
"almost all shot in the leg by snipers."

Sounds to me like those snipers exercised restraint. They could have been head shots.
 
Mycroft said:
"almost all shot in the leg by snipers."

Sounds to me like those snipers exercised restraint. They could have been head shots.
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Most of the legs had to be amputated because of the kind of bullets the Israeli's used.

You might not be so glib if you really understood the situation.
 
The State of Israel is committing war-crimes against Palestinian civillians at these protests and in the West Bank plus it is also abrogating its duty to protect civilians under its military occupation. The political and military decision-makers for these criminal policies should be investigated, indicted and if ever possible arrested and prosecuted by an international court, if the State of Israel won't try them itself promptly. If the US interferes, then it should be sanctioned, boycotted and isolated as a pariah state until it stops protecting these Israeli decision-makers from prosecution.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
Moot said:
Most of the legs had to be amputated because of the kind of bullets the Israeli's used.

You might not be so glib if you really understood the situation.
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It could have been worse. They might have needed to have their heads amputated.

Look. A good way to prevent a catastrophic injury is to not engage in dangerous activity...like trying to invade a country.
 
Evilroddy said:
The State of Israel is committing war-crimes against Palestinian civillians at these protests and in the West Bank plus it is also abrogating its duty to protect civilians under its military occupation. The political and military decision-makers for these criminal policies should be investigated, indicted and if ever possible arrested and prosecuted by an international court, if the State of Israel won't try them itself promptly. If the US interferes, then it should be sanctioned, boycotted and isolated as a pariah state until it stops protecting these Israeli decision-makers from prosecution.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
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Feel free to suggest what Israel an do to stop the Gaza Palestinians from storming the fences....
 
Fledermaus said:
Feel free to suggest what Israel an do to stop the Gaza Palestinians from storming the fences....
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He doesn’t want Israel to do anything, as do all of those who justify these “protests” as “peaceful”.

Other than concede to the demands of the Palestinians (which, as this is the “march of return”, means allowing the Palestinians to take over Israel.

Now of course there is the cop out of saying no, no, I don’t want that, I only want Israel to follow “the law” that isn’t applied anywhere else, but with no tactical or military awareness and no real understanding of what the Israelis are up against, that is a semantic difference without much distinction, although that will be denied.




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Fledermaus said:
Feel free to suggest what Israel an do to stop the Gaza Palestinians from storming the fences....
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Surrender and die.

These so called protests are an event organized and created by Hamas which is an Islamist terror group lest we forget like Hezbollah and ISIS.
The people there are obeying the orders of these terrorists. The majority of those killed are actual terrorists. The attacks aren't "peaceful", they're attempts at invasion to another country from a Hamas-controlled territory which is basically the same as a Hezbollah-controlled or ISIS-controlled territory - again, lest we forget who Hamas are.

The violence from the Gaza Strip is endless in its frequency as well as in its barbarism. Israel has the right to defend its citizens' lives, millions of innocents, against it.
 
Fledermaus said:
Feel free to suggest what Israel an do to stop the Gaza Palestinians from storming the fences....
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Fledermaus.

1) Remove the security fences from Gazan territory to Israeli territory. Keep the security zone in Gazan territory but have the no-go zone (300 meters depth in Israel).

2) Use lethal shooting and live ammo only on persons who have crossed the Israeli frontier or are about to enter Israeli territory with firearms.

3) Stop shooting protesters, medics, reporters, etc. With live ammunition, unless they cross into Israel.

4) Open a few ports in Gaza to allow food, medicine, building material, etc back into the territory from international sources while having UN or NATO peace keepers with Israeli observers board, search and okay such cargoes before they are permitted to land.

5) Allow the world to contribute photovoltaic solar panels to make Gaza energy independent of Israel.

6) Allow international donors to build at least two fully equipped hospitals in Gaza staffed by both Gazans and Medicine Sans Frontier staff.

7) Allow the UN to send in Peace Keepers to guard the Gazan-Israeli demarcation line from both sides in the conflict. UN Peace Ykeepers would also replace Israeli Occupation troops in patrolling the West Bank but could remain in barracks in the Occupied Territories until a peace deal was signed.

8) Stop new settlements in the West Bank and be prepared to eventually withdraw all settlers from the West Bank once a peace deal can be negotiated. A second round of border adjustments might mitigate some settler relocation.

9) Preserve East Jerusalem for the Palestinians when they sign a comprehensive peace deal and then when the new State of Palestine honours the deal for a decade peacefully, return East Jerusalem to the State of Palestine. Then begin a second round of negotiations for border adjustments to clean up the problems with the pre-1967 borders. These adjustments could include East Jerusalem's status being changed again if both sides agree.

10) Make a condition of all of the above, free and internationally monitored elections in both the West Bank (including East Jerusalem voters) and in Gaza. Make a second condition that the Palestinian state cannot have a standing army for a full century after the agreement is signed or until both sides explicitly agree to its formation. In return Israel would guarantee not to violate the borders of Palestine without collapsing the whole agreement. UN troops could enter Palestine either in hot pursuit of suspected terrorists or to act as an aid to the Palestinian authority to keep the peace.

11) Make a condition of signing, not negotiating, a full renunciation of armed resistance/terrorism by the Palestinian authorities and a full renunciation of raids and targetted killings by Israeli forces and settlers in Palestine.

12) Start extensive programmes of student and youth exchanges in third-party countries where Israeli and Palestinian youth can meet, interact and work to solve problems at a grass roots level between the two states. This will slowly foster cooperation and trust between a growing demographic in both states.

How's them apples Fledermaus.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Fledermaus.

1) Remove the security fences from Gazan territory to Israeli territory. Keep the security zone in Gazan territory but have the no-go zone (300 meters depth in Israel).

2) Use lethal shooting and live ammo only on persons who have crossed the Israeli frontier or are about to enter Israeli territory with firearms.

3) Stop shooting protesters, medics, reporters, etc. With live ammunition, unless they cross into Israel.

4) Open a few ports in Gaza to allow food, medicine, building material, etc back into the territory from international sources while having UN or NATO peace keepers with Israeli observers board, search and okay such cargoes before they are permitted to land.

5) Allow the world to contribute photovoltaic solar panels to make Gaza energy independent of Israel.

6) Allow international donors to build at least two fully equipped hospitals in Gaza staffed by both Gazans and Medicine Sans Frontier staff.

7) Allow the UN to send in Peace Keepers to guard the Gazan-Israeli demarcation line from both sides in the conflict. UN Peace Ykeepers would also replace Israeli Occupation troops in patrolling the West Bank but could remain in barracks in the Occupied Territories until a peace deal was signed.

8) Stop new settlements in the West Bank and be prepared to eventually withdraw all settlers from the West Bank once a peace deal can be negotiated. A second round of border adjustments might mitigate some settler relocation.

9) Preserve East Jerusalem for the Palestinians when they sign a comprehensive peace deal and then when the new State of Palestine honours the deal for a decade peacefully, return East Jerusalem to the State of Palestine. Then begin a second round of negotiations for border adjustments to clean up the problems with the pre-1967 borders. These adjustments could include East Jerusalem's status being changed again if both sides agree.

10) Make a condition of all of the above, free and internationally monitored elections in both the West Bank (including East Jerusalem voters) and in Gaza. Make a second condition that the Palestinian state cannot have a standing army for a full century after the agreement is signed or until both sides explicitly agree to its formation. In return Israel would guarantee not to violate the borders of Palestine without collapsing the whole agreement. UN troops could enter Palestine either in hot pursuit of suspected terrorists or to act as an aid to the Palestinian authority to keep the peace.

11) Make a condition of signing, not negotiating, a full renunciation of armed resistance/terrorism by the Palestinian authorities and a full renunciation of raids and targetted killings by Israeli forces and settlers in Palestine.

12) Start extensive programmes of student and youth exchanges in third-party countries where Israeli and Palestinian youth can meet, interact and work to solve problems at a grass roots level between the two states. This will slowly foster cooperation and trust between a growing demographic in both states.

How's them apples Fledermaus.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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East Jerusalem was never part of a state of Palestine hence cannot be returned to such entity.
Nor do I understand what it has to do with Gazans choosing to engage in terrorism in the Hamas border clashes.

Another weird request by you here is that Israel will "announce a full renunciation of raids and targeted killings by Isaeli forces".
When Israel engages in such actions it is to defend its civilians from terrorists. Clearly you should be aware enough to at least understand that there's no chance in hell a sovereign nation dealing with terrorism in such level will announce that it's going to stop defending itself and stop targeting terrorists just because it's something that you'd like to see happen. Extremely weird demand even among such load of nonsesne.

A counter demand would be: stop the terrorism, enter peace talks.
Fairly simple. Seems like the opposing side in your discussion is by far the more sensible one than the side demanding to cease self defense and "give back" something to someone who never had it and never had a legitimate claim to it.
 
Fledermaus said:
And what damage would have been done if hit center mass?

And please share... What is special about the rounds?
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If you had read the article you wouldn't have to ask such ignorant, uniformed questions.
 
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Mycroft said:
It could have been worse. They might have needed to have their heads amputated.

Look. A good way to prevent a catastrophic injury is to not engage in dangerous activity...like trying to invade a country.
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Don't Gazans have a right to protest the inhumane occupation and theft of their lands?

Perhaps, a better way to stop the senseless violence is for the US to stop funding Israel and Palestinians until both sides come to peaceful resolution.
 
Evilroddy said:
Fledermaus.

1) Remove the security fences from Gazan territory to Israeli territory. Keep the security zone in Gazan territory but have the no-go zone (300 meters depth in Israel).

2) Use lethal shooting and live ammo only on persons who have crossed the Israeli frontier or are about to enter Israeli territory with firearms.

3) Stop shooting protesters, medics, reporters, etc. With live ammunition, unless they cross into Israel.

4) Open a few ports in Gaza to allow food, medicine, building material, etc back into the territory from international sources while having UN or NATO peace keepers with Israeli observers board, search and okay such cargoes before they are permitted to land.

5) Allow the world to contribute photovoltaic solar panels to make Gaza energy independent of Israel.

6) Allow international donors to build at least two fully equipped hospitals in Gaza staffed by both Gazans and Medicine Sans Frontier staff.

7) Allow the UN to send in Peace Keepers to guard the Gazan-Israeli demarcation line from both sides in the conflict. UN Peace Ykeepers would also replace Israeli Occupation troops in patrolling the West Bank but could remain in barracks in the Occupied Territories until a peace deal was signed.

8) Stop new settlements in the West Bank and be prepared to eventually withdraw all settlers from the West Bank once a peace deal can be negotiated. A second round of border adjustments might mitigate some settler relocation.

9) Preserve East Jerusalem for the Palestinians when they sign a comprehensive peace deal and then when the new State of Palestine honours the deal for a decade peacefully, return East Jerusalem to the State of Palestine. Then begin a second round of negotiations for border adjustments to clean up the problems with the pre-1967 borders. These adjustments could include East Jerusalem's status being changed again if both sides agree.

10) Make a condition of all of the above, free and internationally monitored elections in both the West Bank (including East Jerusalem voters) and in Gaza. Make a second condition that the Palestinian state cannot have a standing army for a full century after the agreement is signed or until both sides explicitly agree to its formation. In return Israel would guarantee not to violate the borders of Palestine without collapsing the whole agreement. UN troops could enter Palestine either in hot pursuit of suspected terrorists or to act as an aid to the Palestinian authority to keep the peace.

11) Make a condition of signing, not negotiating, a full renunciation of armed resistance/terrorism by the Palestinian authorities and a full renunciation of raids and targetted killings by Israeli forces and settlers in Palestine.

12) Start extensive programmes of student and youth exchanges in third-party countries where Israeli and Palestinian youth can meet, interact and work to solve problems at a grass roots level between the two states. This will slowly foster cooperation and trust between a growing demographic in both states.

How's them apples Fledermaus.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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How many of those propositions actually stop the Palestinians from forcing the border?
 
Moot said:
Don't Gazans have a right to protest the inhumane occupation and theft of their lands?

Perhaps, a better way to stop the senseless violence is for the US to stop funding Israel and Palestinians until both sides come to peaceful resolution.
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Protesting =/= Attacking the border fence.
 
Fledermaus said:
Protesting =/= Attacking the border fence.
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The conditions inside Gaza must be unbearable for so many to risk their lives to protest at the border fence. The article said over 5,000 people have been shot since the protests began. That's a lot of people with nothing left to live for.
 
Stay away from where you don't belong, then you're in no risk of danger.

Simple.
 
Fledermaus said:
I read the article...

What is super special about the rounds fired?
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No, you didn't read it or you wouldn't still be asking such stupid questions.
 
Moot said:
The conditions inside Gaza must be unbearable for so many to risk their lives to protest at the border fence. The article said over 5,000 people have been shot since the protests began. That's a lot of people with nothing left to live for.
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They would have plenty to live for if Hamas used their monies for infrastructure and rebuilding....

And if they stopped the repeated attacks....
 
Moot said:
Don't Gazans have a right to protest the inhumane occupation and theft of their lands?

Perhaps, a better way to stop the senseless violence is for the US to stop funding Israel and Palestinians until both sides come to peaceful resolution.
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I don't think Gazans who are just "protesting" risk being shot.

I agree about the funding. Neither side should get our money.
 
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