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Should the Isreali justification be applied to other nations

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RabidAlpaca said:
If you actually read my initial post you'll see I also criticized Palestine for the exact same reason. I oppose the blood and soil mentality in Germany, France, Israel, Palestine, and everywhere else this mentality is present. If you want to talk about those and hear my criticisms, ask me about them instead of just assuming I don't criticize them. This thread is about Israel, why would I talk about everyone else?

You still haven't explained how my criticism of ethnostates is racist. That makes no sense.



Haha, then by your dumbass logic, if Israel has nothing to do with race, my criticism of Israel can't be racist because it's a vibrant harmony of tons of races with no preference for one or the other. A direct contradiction. Israel can't not be an ethnostate and me a racist, you have to pick one or the other.
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It is racist since racism applies to the hatred of an ethnic group.
Saying all Arabs are this and all Armenians are that and all Jews are this is all examples of racism, and these are all ethnic groups.
Your singling out of the Jewish nation, your opposition to the Jews right to self-determination and above all your constant eagerness to compare Jews with Nazis are all examples of your racism which I oppose and continue to oppose.

Israel is not an ethnostate. Israel is a nation state of the Jewish people, just like Japan is the nation state of the Japanese and the Netherlands is of the Dutch.
There's actually not a single "ethnostate" in this day and age.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I find it racist that they actively sculpt their demographics to be primarily ethnically Jewish, and that they import people from all over the world with no connection to Israel with the explicit intention of displacing the local arabs. Yes, I find that racist.

How can I be racist if Israel isn't based on any race, rather a huge plethora of races?
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You still haven't gotten your head round the fact that your characterization of the Israeli nation-state is inherently false.
 
LeoVlaming said:
You still haven't gotten your head round the fact that your characterization of the Israeli nation-state is inherently false.
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Then why don't you explain it to me and explain to me why I'm racist and how instead of just repeating it over and over with no explanation. If Israel has no racial element to it, how can I possibly be a "racist" for criticizing it? That doesn't follow. I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH.

Apocalypse said:
It is racist since racism applies to the hatred of an ethnic group.
Saying all Arabs are this and all Armenians are that and all Jews are this is all examples of racism, and these are all ethnic groups.
Your singling out of the Jewish nation, your opposition to the Jews right to self-determination and above all your constant eagerness to compare Jews with Nazis are all examples of your racism which I oppose and continue to oppose.

Israel is not an ethnostate. Israel is a nation state of the Jewish people, just like Japan is the nation state of the Japanese and the Netherlands is of the Dutch.
There's actually not a single "ethnostate" in this day and age.
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I oppose all ethnostates. If the thread where about German ethnocentrism or Palestinian ethnocentrism, I would criticize them, and you wouldn't see it because this is literally the only type of thread you go into.

So if Israel has nothing to do with race, how can I be racist for criticizing Israel?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Then why don't you explain it to me and explain to me why I'm racist and how instead of just repeating it over and over with no explanation. If Israel has no racial element to it, how can I possibly be a "racist" for criticizing it? That doesn't follow. I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH.
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I have explained it to you several times now, but your extreme anti-Israel bias is a bit too strong to acknowledge that. Then again, people like you, with an extreme hatred of Israel and of Jews, have been around for a long time and probably will be with us for a long time to come.

You are entitled to your anti-semitic views. I am entitled to point them out. Learn to live with it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Then why don't you explain it to me and explain to me why I'm racist and how instead of just repeating it over and over with no explanation. If Israel has no racial element to it, how can I possibly be a "racist" for criticizing it? That doesn't follow. I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH.



I oppose all ethnostates. If the thread where about German ethnocentrism or Palestinian ethnocentrism, I would criticize them, and you wouldn't see it because this is literally the only type of thread you go into.

So if Israel has nothing to do with race, how can I be racist for criticizing Israel?
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Ethnostate is a term mostly used by twisted White-power groups in the US.
I'm not familiar with the existence of any 'ethnostate' in this day and time.
So if you're saying that your racism is meant to oppose an imaginary ethnostate, you're basically excusing your racism with something that doesn't even exist, and something that you're clearly not really doing.

I already answered your question in the post you were quoting so I don't see the point repeating myself.
 
LeoVlaming said:
I have explained it to you several times now, but your extreme anti-Israel bias is a bit too strong to acknowledge that. Then again, people like you, with an extreme hatred of Israel and of Jews, have been around for a long time and probably will be with us for a long time to come.

You are entitled to your anti-semitic views. I am entitled to point them out. Learn to live with it.
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Apocalypse said:
Ethnostate is a term mostly used by twisted White-power groups in the US.
I'm not familiar with the existence of any 'ethnostate' in this day and time.
So if you're saying that your racism is meant to oppose an imaginary ethnostate, you're basically excusing your racism with something that doesn't even exist, and something that you're clearly not really doing.

I already answered your question in the post you were quoting so I don't see the point repeating myself.
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I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING. And I will criticize any nation that supports that, especially ones who actively import people with the explicit intention of displacing people of other races. Sorry, clowns, either Israel has no racial element to it and thus my criticism of Israel can't be racist, or it has a racial element to it and my criticism stands. Opposing race-based demographic structuring by governments is not racist and none of you have been able to explain how it could be. Carry on.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING. And I will criticize any nation that supports that, especially ones who actively import people with the explicit intention of displacing people of other races. Sorry, clowns, either Israel has no racial element to it and thus my criticism of Israel can't be racist, or it has a racial element to it and my criticism stands. Opposing race-based demographic structuring by governments is not racist and none of you have been able to explain how it could be. Carry on.
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Your hate-based self-delusion is really pretty hilarious.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, I hate people who try to put one race over another. The monster I am.
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"monster" is the sort a term that would be used by someone who is "rabid" with hatred. i don't find your hatred monstrous, more pityfull.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I believe there should be ZERO racial element to nations. NONE, NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING. And I will criticize any nation that supports that, especially ones who actively import people with the explicit intention of displacing people of other races. Sorry, clowns, either Israel has no racial element to it and thus my criticism of Israel can't be racist, or it has a racial element to it and my criticism stands. Opposing race-based demographic structuring by governments is not racist and none of you have been able to explain how it could be. Carry on.
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What nation has a "racial element"?
How is this "racial element" of that nation coming into expression?
So far you just claim Israel is wrong to grant citizenship to people with Jewish ancestors. (Of all ethnic groups)
I've seen no other discussion by you on any racial element of anything.

You seek to excuse your racism with an imaginary, non-existing reasoning. It's ridiculous.
 
Apocalypse said:
What nation has a "racial element"?
How is this "racial element" of that nation coming into expression?
So far you just claim Israel is wrong to grant citizenship to people with Jewish ancestors. (Of all ethnic groups)
I've seen no other discussion by you on any racial element of anything.

You seek to excuse your racism with an imaginary, non-existing reasoning. It's ridiculous.
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If Israel had no racial element to it you wouldn't care what the arab population is, yet you do.

And yes I don't think ancestry should grant anyone anything. People are individuals, not their race and not their ancestry.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If Israel had no racial element to it you wouldn't care what the arab population is, yet you do.

And yes I don't think ancestry should grant anyone anything. People are individuals, not their race and not their ancestry.
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I think you've got that backwards. You are the one who "cares" about how many Jews live in Israel.
 
LeoVlaming said:
I think you've got that backwards. You are the one who "cares" about how many Jews live in Israel.
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So you're claiming that the Israeli government and Israelis absolutely do not care about demographics or the percentage of Jews in Israel? Really? How wildly uninformed can one person be?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So you're claiming that the Israeli government and Israelis absolutely do not care about demographics or the percentage of Jews in Israel? Really? How wildly uninformed can one person be?
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No, I am claiming - based on your postings in this thread - that you "care" a whole lot about how many Jews get to live in Israel. How blinded by hate can a person be?
 
LeoVlaming said:
No, I am claiming - based on your postings in this thread - that you "care" a whole lot about how many Jews get to live in Israel. How blinded by hate can a person be?
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I don't care what the numbers are. I don't care if Israel is 99% Jewish, 99% arab, or any other combination. What I care about is opposing race based demographic structuring by governments. Race is a meaningless construct that bigots use to fuel their own hate.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If Israel had no racial element to it you wouldn't care what the arab population is, yet you do.

And yes I don't think ancestry should grant anyone anything. People are individuals, not their race and not their ancestry.
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I don't "care what the Arab population is". I care that Israel will continue to be Jewish and democratic. That's how it was formed and how it was recognized, as the nation state of the Jewish people, just like every other nation state out there was formed by a nation to be the national home of those people. The Jewish people aren't an ethnicity, they're a nation. That's not ethnocenric that's nationalism and that's something that exists in every single nation-state out there where a nation has practiced their right to self-determination. It doesn't hurt the rights of anyone living in it who are all equal citizens of the country whether they are Jewish or not.

The entire world operates on the basis that ancestry does grant something to the individual.
If you die without a will your assets will probably go to your relatives, by law of the state.
A person with a French grandfather may gain a French citizenship because of that, even if not living a single day in France.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I don't care what the numbers are. I don't care if Israel is 99% Jewish, 99% arab, or any other combination. What I care about is opposing race based demographic structuring by governments. Race is a meaningless construct that bigots use to fuel their own hate.
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If race is a meaningless construct, then why are you so hung up on it? Really, you should seek professional help. I am not really qualified to deal with schizophrenia.
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't "care what the Arab population is". I care that Israel will continue to be Jewish and democratic. That's how it was formed and how it was recognized, as the nation state of the Jewish people, just like every other nation state out there was formed by a nation to be the national home of those people. The Jewish people aren't an ethnicity, they're a nation. That's not ethnocenric that's nationalism and that's something that exists in every single nation-state out there where a nation has practiced their right to self-determination. It doesn't hurt the rights of anyone living in it who are all equal citizens of the country whether they are Jewish or not.

The entire world operates on the basis that ancestry does grant something to the individual.
If you die without a will your assets will probably go to your relatives, by law of the state.
A person with a French grandfather may gain a French citizenship because of that, even if not living a single day in France.
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I oppose giving someone citizenship based on a grandparent, even in France, but the key difference is that France isn't importing everyone with a French grandparent then sending them into disputed territory with the explicit intent of displacing non-ethnically French people. Pretty big difference there.

LeoVlaming said:
If race is a meaningless construct, then why are you so hung up on it? Really, you should seek professional help. I am not really qualified to deal with schizophrenia.
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If I think race is meaningless I can't oppose racism? How does that make sense?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I oppose giving someone citizenship based on a grandparent, even in France, but the key difference is that France isn't importing everyone with a French grandparent then sending them into disputed territory with the explicit intent of displacing non-ethnically French people. Pretty big difference there.



If I think race is meaningless I can't oppose racism? How does that make sense?
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They aren't sent anywhere. They're free to choose where to go.
They aren't "imported", too.

And give examples of people who were displaced because a Jew got a citizenship from Israel.
You're talking like Israel is kicking people from their homes, "imports" some Jewish guy from France and lets him live in that house.
It's completely insane how detached from reality what you're saying here is.
 
Apocalypse said:
They aren't sent anywhere. They're free to choose where to go.
They aren't "imported", too.

And give examples of people who were displaced because a Jew got a citizenship from Israel.
You're talking like Israel is kicking people from their homes, "imports" some Jewish guy from France and lets him live in that house.
It's completely insane how detached from reality what you're saying here is.
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So Israel isn't illegally sending these imported Jewish immigrants into disputed Palestinian territory, subsidizing them, then using their presence as an excuse as to why that land is now Israeli? And yes, many, many Palestinians have been displaced with this tactic and driven from their land.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So Israel isn't illegally sending these imported Jewish immigrants into disputed Palestinian territory, subsidizing them, then using their presence as an excuse as to why that land is now Israeli? And yes, many, many Palestinians have been displaced with this tactic and driven from their land.
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They choose to come to Israel so they aren't imported.

And where are the displaced people you were talking about?
Give examples of a person displaced because a Jewish person came to Israel.
Even in your twisted words there isn't a case of displacement of any person, displacement is a case where a person is forced out of his house, of where he lives at.
If a Jewish person comes to Israel and decides to live in a settlement in the West Bank he isn't forcing anyone out of his home.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So Israel isn't illegally sending these imported Jewish immigrants into disputed Palestinian territory, subsidizing them, then using their presence as an excuse as to why that land is now Israeli? And yes, many, many Palestinians have been displaced with this tactic and driven from their land.
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Axtually only a minority of people immigrating to Israel settle in so-called settlements. you must confuse Israel with other countries (non-democratic ones) where the government can tell people where to live. Are you aware that at any given time millions of people move from one area to another throughout the world, often displacing and/or coming in the place of other people?

Your obsessive hatred really is cause for real professional help. I urge you to seek it. Meanwhile, lay off the anti-semitic propaganda a bit. It will help.
 
LeoVlaming said:
Axtually only a minority of people immigrating to Israel settle in so-called settlements. you must confuse Israel with other countries (non-democratic ones) where the government can tell people where to live. Are you aware that at any given time millions of people move from one area to another throughout the world, often displacing and/or coming in the place of other people?

Your obsessive hatred really is cause for real professional help. I urge you to seek it. Meanwhile, lay off the anti-semitic propaganda a bit. It will help.
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The government of Israel encourages and subsidizes people to move into this disputed territory.. That is a fact, chief.
 
I live in Israel. It's not apartheid. Of course the israeli justification shouldn't be applied because every other nation puts their ethnic minorities in camps, while Israel has their minorities at the front of every single restaurant. If you want REAL apartheid, look to Lebanon and Jordan, or even the PA, where arabs routinely kill their own people by the hundreds.
 
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