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US calls Golan 'Israeli-controlled', drops all mention of West Bank 'occupation'

BDS is already a failure. The French are not willing to let go of those Jaffa oranges they enjoy for breakfast.

The Westphalian paradigm of the international system is breaking down. People power is waxing while state power is waning. You don't need state cooperation to create an effective boycott anymore. Internet mediated cooperation allows private citizens to do it just as effectively, if their governments allow them. In real democracies such movements can flourish. The moment French citizens find themselves under peer pressure to give up their Jaffa oranges or face scorn and social ostracisatio French demand will go down. As more get on board, demand will plummet. It happened to tobacco and to fur, it happened to apartheid South Africa, it is happening to processed sugar, fats and firearms now and it will happen to Israel if that state does not change its behaviour. Furthermore divestment by persons and institution plus sanctions by cooperating states will reinforce both citizen and state sponsored boycotts.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
A nice accumlation of nonsense you've got there.
No, Israel isn't going away. And no, Israel isn't going to stop defending itself.
The sooner you let go of all this hatred and come to accept that you cannot stop Israel's existence, the better.

Apocalypse:

No hate. Just a desire to see justice done. The preferential status quo which has favoured the State of Israel is ending and things will change. I don't hate much. It's a waste of emotional capital.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Apocalypse:

No hate. Just a desire to see justice done. The preferential status quo which has favoured the State of Israel is ending and things will change. I don't hate much. It's a waste of emotional capital.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Well as you can see with the international momentum of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital as well as this very thread's reason, things are not changing in the way of the hateful agenda you claim is in the name of "justice".

Israel will continue to defend itself because it's not possible for it not to and this will continue to anger you apparently.
It's not really something that anyone can change and I can assure you that you would not see Israel announcing that it will stop defending itself or Israel being destroyed or anything like that in your lifetime.
It's really a guarantee, so you might as well let that hateful wish go.

I have to say that it became a routine for those who oppose Israel's existence and dedicate themselves to the antisemitic agenda to have these kind of prophecies of rage.
Perhaps this is what you folk are telling yourselves to keep yourselves going. Sad.
 
Uh. Sure.

Be aware though that the USS liberty conspiracy theory discussion is for the Conspiracy Theories forum where all of the loony CT nonsense is discussed and this forum's rules do not allow its discussion here.

IT's not a conspiracy. That attack happened, and Israel was at fault for it. I didn't make mention of motivation. The point here is that the sovereign US state was attacked by Israel and it was met with nothing but ho-hums.
 
IT's not a conspiracy. That attack happened, and Israel was at fault for it. I didn't make mention of motivation. The point here is that the sovereign US state was attacked by Israel and it was met with nothing but ho-hums.

It is a wacky conspiracy theory and that is why you can't discuss it outside CT forum where you can also discuss Israel being behind 9/11 and how our world is flat because Israel had it flattened and the rest of this mumbo jumbo.
 
It is a wacky conspiracy theory and that is why you can't discuss it outside CT forum where you can also discuss Israel being behind 9/11 and how our world is flat because Israel had it flattened and the rest of this mumbo jumbo.

There's no conspiracy. Israel attacked that ship for whatever reason. The reason, to me, is irrelevant, it was a mistake and that's the end of it. At the end of the day though, the us did not retaliate, at all.
 
Then people who support that" might is right" should not have the temerity and hypocrisy to refer to such things as laws/fairness/justice, IE things that they obviously have no respect for ?

The hypocrite here is you. Who the hell said life is fair? I have no respect for you.
 
The Westphalian paradigm of the international system is breaking down. People power is waxing while state power is waning. You don't need state cooperation to create an effective boycott anymore. Internet mediated cooperation allows private citizens to do it just as effectively, if their governments allow them. In real democracies such movements can flourish. The moment French citizens find themselves under peer pressure to give up their Jaffa oranges or face scorn and social ostracisatio French demand will go down. As more get on board, demand will plummet. It happened to tobacco and to fur, it happened to apartheid South Africa, it is happening to processed sugar, fats and firearms now and it will happen to Israel if that state does not change its behaviour. Furthermore divestment by persons and institution plus sanctions by cooperating states will reinforce both citizen and state sponsored boycotts.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Yadda yadda

yadda
 
The hypocrite here is you. Who the hell said life is fair? I have no respect for you.

Nope, the hypocrites here are the ones that cherry pick which laws and standards they want to apply and which ones shouldn't based on nothing but their own prejudices. That's you , not me boy.

You having no respect for me is something of a killer blow but I suppose I am just going to have to soldier on as best I can . :mrgreen:
 
Nope, the hypocrites here are the ones that cherry pick which laws and standards they want to apply and which ones shouldn't based on nothing but their own prejudices. That's you , not me boy.

You having no respect for me is something of a killer blow but I suppose I am just going to have to soldier on as best I can . :mrgreen:

Yadda yadda
 
Yadda yadda

You should just learn to recognize when you are beaten OFG, unless your resort the above nonsense is a sign of that recognition. :)
 
You should just learn to recognize when you are beaten OFG, unless your resort the above nonsense is a sign of that recognition. :)

This isn't a game and no one is keeping score. Yadda Yadda
 
Well as you can see with the international momentum of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital as well as this very thread's reason, things are not changing in the way of the hateful agenda you claim is in the name of "justice".

... (Edited for word-count).

I have to say that it became a routine for those who oppose Israel's existence and dedicate themselves to the antisemitic agenda to have these kind of prophecies of rage.
Perhaps this is what you folk are telling yourselves to keep yourselves going. Sad.

Apocalypse:

You don't make a very good psychologist and your attempts to brand me as hateful and anti-Semitic are also transparent and feeble. I object to the behaviour of the State of Israel, not to the Israeli people, to Israeli Jews or to Jews around the world. I hate no person, unless that person has done something so terrible that they earn that hate by their behaviour. I strongly disapprove of the behaviour and deceptions perpetrated by the State of Israel and vocally condemn such behaviour but I do not hate the State of Israel at all. Hate is a wasted emotion which has achieved noting in my experience.

The State of Israel was the aggressor in the Six-Day War which started with Israeli air-raids into Egypt and Syria on June 5th, 1967. The Arabs did not attack Israel, despite your contorted claims to the contrary. Regarding the Straits of Tiran, Nasser was bellicose in his public statements but his bombast did not translate into any physical violence done against any Israeli ship or foreign ship bound for Israel through the Straits of Tiran. Israel initiated the hostilities with the use of force on June 5th, 1967, not the Arabs. There are plenty of quotes here in this thread from senior Israeli officials at the time testifying to the notion that Israeli leaders did not estimate that the Arab countries neighbouring Israel presented an existential threat to Israel, even if they acted in concert. A third of the Egyptian Armed Forces was away fighting in Yemen, Syria was, as usual, a military basket-case and the well-trained and well-led Jordanian Armed Forces were just too small to do much more than threaten Jerusalem and environs. The UN troops were not expelled by Nasser as has been claimed. They could have stayed in Sharm-el-Sheik but the Secretary General of the UN chose the all-or-nothing approach and elected to pull out all UN Observers when Nasser only demanded that some be withdrawn back to the Suez line. The Straits of Tiran were Egyptian territorial waters and thus Egypt had every right to stop and search any ships going through them. The 1957 agreement with Israel was made under duress from Israel's previous war of aggression against Egypt in 1956-57 and Egypt was within its rights to revoke it. The same was true for mobilising and deploying Egyptian troops in the Sinai which was Egyptian sovereign territory. Even if the Straits of Tiran were to be considered an international waterway (which they were not then), that only allowed for peaceful passage, so Egypt could still legally block Israeli shipping of strategic resources for war if it apprehended a possible war with Israel, which it had cause to believe given Soviet intelligence and Israel's strong raids into Jiordan and Syria in late 1966 until the spring of 1967 in addition to the Israeli provocations which Moshe Dayan testified to in his later years. Given the events of June 5th, 1967, Egypt was right to apprehend military attack.

Thus it is inescapable that the a State of Israel attacked first and started a war of choice on June 5th, 1967. The Israeli state made the choice to attack and thus was the aggressor. The State of Israel lied to the world claiming that the Arabs had launched air-raids against Israel first but that lie was soon unraveled. The State of Israel was therefore the aggressor. No amount of repetition and no number of citing SOF the same one short passage from Wikipedia will change the facts of who attacked whom first and then lied about it in the Six-Day War. The facts are clear, despite the best efforts of pro-Israeli propagandists to alter or shade the truth with newer self-serving lies and crystal-sphere-justifications. Israel was the aggressor because it attacked the Arabs first with surprise air-raids thus beginning the Six-Day War out of choice..

Because Israel was the aggressor it cannot legally annex those territories it conquered and occupied during the war, due ti international laws which Israel signed on to voluntarily and without duress. Thus the annexation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip or the Golan Heights plus any other territories seized by Israel in that war is illegal and without legitimacy under the law. Israel can possess these territories but it will never own them because ownership is legally recognised possession and the law is against the State of Israel in this regard.

Evilroddy.
 
You should just learn to recognize when you are beaten OFG, unless your resort the above nonsense is a sign of that recognition. :)

oneworld2:

Damn it oneworld2, you've pulled ahead of me in the OFG yadda standings! I've worked so hard but you're ahead, four to my paltry three. Who knew a hat-trick would not be enough to win? I'm a failure:(

Envious Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 

That Israel was not attacked physically is not contradicting to the fact that the Arab aggressors have initiated the conflict.
The blockading of the Straits of Tiran was an act of war. I've already referred you to enough sources that make that claim in a decisive manner.
Your refusal to recognize the blockading of the Straits of Tiran as an act of war so you can continue to defend the aggression and thus attempt to rewrite history by turning the aggressors into victims of the defender's actions is sad.
This refusal to accept documented facts makes you quite irrelevant just as much as every other history revisionist out there.

Your embarrassing prophecies of rage are pathetic. Israel will continue to exist and does not require the help of antisemitic, terror-affiliated bodies such as the BDS movement.
 
The State of Israel was the aggressor in the Six-Day War which started with Israeli air-raids into Egypt and Syria on June 5th, 1967.
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The timeline of the six days war is clear and documented, Israel responded to the aggression of Egypt and started an air attack on Egypt, after that Jordan and Syria attacked Israel. Both Syria and Jordan threw the first punch and Israel responded to that, matter of fact Levi Eshkol said this: "We shall not attack any country unless it opens war on us. Even now, when the mortars speak, we have not given up our quest for peace. We strive to repel all menace of terrorism and any danger of aggression to ensure our security and our legitimate rights."
Israel also sent massages to Jordan that they don’t want war with them, but Jordan ignored that and attacked Israel.

In addition, Nasser did violate the right of innocent maritime passage and the 1957 declaration of 17 maritime powers at the UN, that stated that Israel had the right of transit through the Straits of Tiran, and closed Straits of Tiran which means blocking Israel main port, Israel was denied access to its main supplier of oil, and Nasser knew that :
“"Taking over Sharm el Sheikh meant confrontation with Israel (and) also meant that we were ready to enter a general war with Israel. The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel” - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech to the General Council of the International Confederation of Arab Trade Unions”
President LB Johnson addressed this act of war and said:
"[The Arab blockade of Israel shipping in the Gulf of Aqaba is] illegal and potentially disastrous to the cause of peace. ...The purported closing of the Gulf of Aqaba has brought a new and grave dimension to the crisis. The United States considers the gulf to be an international waterway."President LB Johnson - Times May 24th 1967 full text here

And as Abba Eban said:
"Our intention to regard the closing of the Straits as a casus belli was communicated...to the foreign ministers of those states which had supported international navigation in the Straits in 1957 and thereafter. There can be no doubt that these warnings reached Cairo. One thing was now clear. If Nasser imposed a blockade, the explosion would ensue not from 'miscalculation', but from an open-eyed and conscious readiness for war." - Abba Eban

Also Israel had been surrounded by approximately 465,000 enemy troops, more than 2880 tanks and 810 aircraft.
Israel tried to find a diplomatic solutions but all of them failed, eventually Israel had to respond to these acts of aggression.

Even the UN said it was war of defense when they rejected resolutions which labling Israel as the aggressor in the UN Security Council, and also in the UN General Assembly after the war. At the Security Council it was outvoted 11-4, and at the General Assembly only 32 states supported it while the majority didn’t. It was clear back then, it was war of defense.
 
Well as you can see with the international momentum of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital as well as this very thread's reason, things are not changing in the way of the hateful agenda you claim is in the name of "justice".
That's right. From today:
In first for EU state, Hungary opens diplomatic trade office in Jerusalem | The Times of Israel
“This is a very exciting moment for us because it’s the first European diplomatic mission opened in Jerusalem in many decades and three Hungarian diplomats are going to be assigned to this office for trade purposes,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said at the mission’s opening ceremony. “That’s important for trade, for diplomacy and for the move that Hungary is leading right now to change the attitude in Europe toward Jerusalem.”

Hitting campaign trail, Lithuanian PM says he may move embassy to Jerusalem | The Times of Israel
VILNIUS, Lithuania — Center-right Prime Minister Saulius Skvernelis said Tuesday he would consider moving Lithuania’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, should he win May’s presidential elections.
 
IT's not a conspiracy. That attack happened, and Israel was at fault for it. I didn't make mention of motivation. The point here is that the sovereign US state was attacked by Israel and it was met with nothing but ho-hums.

The attack was a deliberate one. Against a ship thought to be EGYPTIAN. Therefore there was no intentional attack in the sovereign US state by Israel.

None.
 
The attack was a deliberate one. Against a ship thought to be EGYPTIAN. Therefore there was no intentional attack in the sovereign US state by Israel.

None.

We know, with you guys, Israel can do absolutely no wrong.
 
Israel did wrong. Israel attacked the wrong ship.

Please fail again.

Thank you for finally admitting Israel did something wrong.

Here, have a breadstick.
 
Finally?


Ummmm


No.

But you would have to read my posts for comprehension rather than response to understand.

Yawn.

Patronize me some more, why don't you?
 
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