Hamas snipers - REJECTED

A video released by the IDF appears to show a three-man Hamas sniper team on an observation tower. Lying prone, the grainy footage seems to show at least two of the men firing toward the border fence. The video then shows a shell flying toward an observation post, striking the top and exploding.

Haaretz reported that both of those killed were 23-year-old members of the al-Nukhba unit, an elite component of the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades—the Hamas military wing. The dead were named as Abd al-Hafez al-Silawi and Ahmad Murjan.

Israel Kills Hamas Snipers, Releases Footage of Gaza Clash

Fledermaus said:

A video released by the IDF appears to show a three-man Hamas sniper team on an observation tower. Lying prone, the grainy footage seems to show at least two of the men firing toward the border fence. The video then shows a shell flying toward an observation post, striking the top and exploding.

Haaretz reported that both of those killed were 23-year-old members of the al-Nukhba unit, an elite component of the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades—the Hamas military wing. The dead were named as Abd al-Hafez al-Silawi and Ahmad Murjan.

Israel Kills Hamas Snipers, Releases Footage of Gaza Clash

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Fledermaus:

This is why armed opposition and guerrilla war/terrorism is a dead-end for the Palestinians. It's time for them to move into the 21st Century, to resist Isreali occupation by highly disruptive but non-violent methods. The Palestinian resistance should paralyse the West Bank, especially around illegal settlements and trigger violent responses from settlers and Israeli forces against peaceful protestors in order to show the world the ugly face of Isaeli land theft and slow-motion "displacement" of the Palestinian population. These images and accounts should be broadcast in real time to storage sites outside of Israel and then archived on millions of hard drives around the globe. Then they should be seen by the global population to utterly ruin Israel's reputation internationally. Thus the Palestinians must learn quickly how to leverage their meagre capacity for disruption by means of digital cyber-resistance and the marketing of their very real suffering and privation. This will make the promotion of aglobal and effective Boycott, Divestment and Sanction campaign much more effective and will cost Israel and its US backers very dearly until Israel begins to treat the Palestinians fairly and return to them what has been taken and kept by force of arms.

The next step is to paralyse the Israeli economy such as it is under a tighter BDS programme by hacking into every computerised system they can as often as they can. To do this they will need to recruit and protect cyber-savvy Palestinians and sympathetic foreigners to set up a massive and cellular collective to launch overwhelming and unrelenting digital attacks on Israel's government, infrastructure and economy. Care must be taken to assure that the attacks only cause disruption and cost money but do not directly harm Israeli citizens. These attacks should be mounted from or routed through places where Israel cannot easily reach them, like ships at sea packed with innocent activists, priests, rabbis and Muslim clerics., abandoned off-shore oil rigs with the activist sons and daughters of powerful elites, and countries already angry with or hostile to the State of Israel.

Parallel to the first two arms of the campaign should be a separate digital campaign to find, copy and diseminate every secret that the State of Israel, every Israeli institution, every Israeli business, every Israeli militant citizen and every pro-Israeli State organisation around the world has in order to further discredit and alienate the State of Israel. This should be done by crowd-sharing the hacking and minute surveillance of Israel to a global activist movement paid for by crowd-sourced fundraising and volunteer crowd-shared monitoring. Flocks of low-cost, small-scale, chameleon-like surveillance drones should be manufactured and bought by diaspora Palestinians abroad and their global supporters and then released into Israel along its borders, rivers and coastline to plant themselves and passively monitor every street and field in Israel and the Occupied Territories. Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and Israel itself should collect, move, disperse and maintain these drones and move them about clandestinely for better coverage. With these well-hidden and camouflaged drones sending focused, frequency-hopping burst transmissions the surveillance, recording and the global dissemination of every abuse committed by Israeli security, military forces and militant settlers will force Israel to spend huge amounts of money on national security and put more pressure on Israeli tax-payers. Ultimately this will cost Israel so much money that occupation becomes unsustainable for the occupiers.

Continued next post.

The final and most important branch of this campaign is for the globalist, activist, cellular and leaderless collective to support and popularise those Israeli citizens who recognise and are willing to speak out against the actions of the Israeli State and who are willing to forge relationships with Palestinians who limit themselves to peaceful but highly invasive and effective (disruptive) resistance. A global PR-tsunami should be launched and maintained unrelentingly to promote the ideas and solutions offered by peaceful Israelis in order to make them stars in stark counter-point to the flood of negative information released against the backers of militarised Zionism and the forceful expansion of the Israeli state who will be portrayed in the worst but truthful light.

There are plenty of other ways in which a digital global intifada against Israel could impose disruptions and costs on the Israeli State in order to force that state to settle the Palestinian issue peacefully and fairly, but why spoil the surprise for the digital defenders of Zion who might soon have their hands full. Eventually the disruption and cost will either force Israel to come to terms in a good faith negotiation with the Palestinians or it will trigger a violent and repressive back-lash by the State of Israel which would be broadcast to the world and leave Israel as a poorer and greater pariah nation without global support until it finally relents and figures out how to live peacefully with the Palestinians it has harmed for more than 70 years.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

All very nice.

This thread is about Palestinian snipers firing at Israelis and being smashed.

I can open a new thread and copy your posts are they are indeed thought provoking.

Fledermaus said:

The video then shows a shell flying toward an observation post, striking the top and exploding.

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That is great. It needs to happen more often.

Fledermaus said:

All very nice.

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I hope that is sarcasm as it really isn't.

Evilroddy said:

[...] until it finally relents and figures out how to live peacefully with the Palestinians it has harmed for more than 70 years.

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1. It is the Palestinians who can not live in peace with the Israeli's.
2. If [SUB]h[/SUB]amas pursued such, the majority of the rest of the world would come over to Israels side and make the [SUB]p[/SUB]alestinians the pariah as they should be.

Excon said:

That is great. It needs to happen more often.

I hope that is sarcasm as it really isn't.

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No sarcasm.

I like to read other viewpoints.

Excon said:

1. It is the Palestinians who can not live in peace with the Israeli's.
2. If [SUB]h[/SUB]amas pursued such, the majority of the rest of the world would come over to Israels side and make the [SUB]p[/SUB]alestinians the pariah as they should be.

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Hamas has been ****ing over Palestinians for years now while carrying on their 'holy war'.

Read the thread about tunnels and waste.

Fledermaus said:

Hamas has been ****ing over Palestinians for years now while carrying on their 'holy war'.

Read the thread about tunnels and waste.

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That is the [SUB]p[/SUB]alestinians fault for electing them.
And no, don't need to read it.

There is never going to be a sustainable peace there unless a drastic change happens to a majority of either side.

Makes a change..................... the IDF targeting of Hamas armed combatants in the border clashes. They have overwhelmingly been involved in murdering unarmed protesters to date........so brave

Evilroddy said:

The final and most important branch of this campaign is for the globalist, activist, cellular and leaderless collective to support and popularise those Israeli citizens who recognise and are willing to speak out against the actions of the Israeli State and who are willing to forge relationships with Palestinians who limit themselves to peaceful but highly invasive and effective (disruptive) resistance. A global PR-tsunami should be launched and maintained unrelentingly to promote the ideas and solutions offered by peaceful Israelis in order to make them stars in stark counter-point to the flood of negative information released against the backers of militarised Zionism and the forceful expansion of the Israeli state who will be portrayed in the worst but truthful light.

There are plenty of other ways in which a digital global intifada against Israel could impose disruptions and costs on the Israeli State in order to force that state to settle the Palestinian issue peacefully and fairly, but why spoil the surprise for the digital defenders of Zion who might soon have their hands full. Eventually the disruption and cost will either force Israel to come to terms in a good faith negotiation with the Palestinians or it will trigger a violent and repressive back-lash by the State of Israel which would be broadcast to the world and leave Israel as a poorer and greater pariah nation without global support until it finally relents and figures out how to live peacefully with the Palestinians it has harmed for more than 70 years.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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I agree that the disparity in military capabilities means that armed resistance is pretty futile and counter productive .

I support the digital intifada tactics in conjunction with a sustained international BDS movement. But the BDS movement needs to set out it's objective to support the two state solution based on the 67 borders

Recall though , that the First Intifada was a mass civil disobedience/protest that was overwhelmingly none violent but was met with a very heavy/violent Israeli response that was sure to create a violent response eventually. It must be hard in those circumstances to keep enough of the people involved that disciplined.

I have completely lost faith in the " international community " the UN , the watching world etc whatever people want to refer to it as , lost faith in them yonks ago ( seems like forever ) and feel that gaining the necessary ground swell of opinion to bring about a just resolution might prove to be just as elusive as ever. I could be wrong and hope I am but they don't inspire much confidence

That said , I would like to see this change in approach given the maximum support. That involves people fighting the Israeli shackles currently being deployed in their own countries too

oneworld2 said:

I agree that the disparity in military capabilities means that armed resistance is pretty futile and counter productive .

I support the digital intifada tactics in conjunction with a sustained international BDS movement. But the BDS movement needs to set out it's objective to support the two state solution based on the 67 borders

Recall though , that the First Intifada was a mass civil disobedience/protest that was overwhelmingly none violent but was met with a very heavy/violent Israeli response that was sure to create a violent response eventually. It must be hard in those circumstances to keep enough of the people involved that disciplined.

I have completely lost faith in the " international community " the UN , the watching world etc whatever people want to refer to it as , lost faith in them yonks ago ( seems like forever ) and feel that gaining the necessary ground swell of opinion to bring about a just resolution might prove to be just as elusive as ever. I could be wrong and hope I am but they don't inspire much confidence

That said , I would like to see this change in approach given the maximum support. That involves people fighting the Israeli shackles currently being deployed in their own countries too

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Off topic.

This thread is about the Hamas snipers and their attempts to kill Israelis... And their ultimate end.

It appears you cannot understand that a thread about Hamas is a thread about Hamas.

oneworld2 said:

Makes a change..................... the IDF targeting of Hamas armed combatants in the border clashes. They have overwhelmingly been involved in murdering unarmed protesters to date........so brave

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The IDF targets terrorists all the time. Their propensity to use human shields leads to more civilian deaths.

Fledermaus said:

Off topic.

This thread is about the Hamas snipers and their attempts to kill Israelis... And their ultimate end.

It appears you cannot understand that a thread about Hamas is a thread about Hamas.

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Threads wander around all of the time and you are just as guilty of bringing in tangents as anyone else here , maybe even more so. So I suggest if you want to take on the role of a Mod in this subforum , you go through the proper channels and ask them can you play that part

Until then you are just another poster with no authority to demand anything of anyone else here and will be ignored

Fledermaus said:

The IDF targets terrorists all the time. Their propensity to use human shields leads to more civilian deaths.

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You don't know how the laws work with regards to indiscriminate attacks and have ignored that

1. The same people that have charged Hamas and co with committing indiscriminate attacks/war crimes have also charged the IDF of committing them. You choose to ignore that at all costs but that is the truth of the matter

2.There is no legal obligation on the Palestinian combatants to line up like ducks in front of the IDF tanks

3. The claims against Palestinian combatants using other Palestinians non-combatants as human shields has not been endorsed by those charged with investigating it. The IDF , however , had an official policy of using them and have been found to use them on many many occasions since they were FORCED to stop doing it as official army policy

Once again , you never fail to let the facts come in the way of a good smear campaign against the Palestinians

Israel wants peace. The Palestinians want the destruction of Israel. Whats to debate?

oneworld2 said:

You don't know how the laws work with regards to indiscriminate attacks and have ignored that

1. The same people that have charged Hamas and co with committing indiscriminate attacks/war crimes have also charged the IDF of committing them. You choose to ignore that at all costs but that is the truth of the matter

2.There is no legal obligation on the Palestinian combatants to line up like ducks in front of the IDF tanks

3. The claims against Palestinian combatants using other Palestinians non-combatants as human shields has not been endorsed by those charged with investigating it. The IDF , however , had an official policy of using them and have been found to use them on many many occasions since they were FORCED to stop doing it as official army policy

Once again , you never fail to let the facts come in the way of a good smear campaign against the Palestinians

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Once again you ignore what happens and wish to argue technicalities....

I have shown time and again cases where Hamas stores and deploys weapons form civilian structures and locations endangering their own people.

Their deaths are on Hamas.

Hamas is under an obligation not to endanger their own.

Now, wish to discuss the subject of the thread?

oneworld2 said:

Threads wander around all of the time and you are just as guilty of bringing in tangents as anyone else here , maybe even more so. So I suggest if you want to take on the role of a Mod in this subforum , you go through the proper channels and ask them can you play that part

Until then you are just another poster with no authority to demand anything of anyone else here and will be ignored

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Your modus operandi is to derail.

Stop.