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[W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

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Fledermaus said:
Truth is often ugly.

Just think what Gaza would be like if Hamas quit the war on Israeli citizens and instead improved the Palestinian infrastructure.
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It's a two way street and the violence predated Hamas. I know you want to put all of the blame onto Palestinians generally despite your claims to the contrary , but the state of Israel and its greater Israel project has been a bigger problem than the relatively recent appearance of Hamas

It might be trendy today to put all of the blame on the situation with Hamas but any that have bothered to study this conflict properly will know how ridiculous it is also
 
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oneworld2 said:
It's a two way street and the violence predated Hamas. I know you want to put all of the blame onto Palestinians generally despite your claims to the contrary , but the state of Israel and its greater Israel project has been a bigger problem than the relatively recent appearance of Hamas

It might be trendy today to put all of the blame on the situation with Hamas but any that have bothered to study this conflict properly will know how ridiculous it is also
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It may be true since they have sanctioned most of the ATTACKS against Israeli citizens.

So, GOOD guys or BAD guys?
 
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Fledermaus said:
It may be true since they have sanctioned most of the ATTACKS against Israeli citizens.

So, GOOD guys or BAD guys?
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You can only see things from a very narrow viewpoint and often misrepresent anything outside of it that people may put up................ this entire thread being just the most recent example.

As I have said already here recently , and on many other occasions , there are good and bad on both sides. Both sides bear a great responsibility for the current situation. Wanting to cast one faction on one side of the conflict as being solely responsible for the ongoing violence and/or the reason why this conflict remains in turmoil with no end in sight is a ridiculous view to hold.

What about the repeated attacks on Palestinian civilians , the ongoing illegal settlement and brutal occupation carried out via the IDF ? Are they the actions of " GOOD guys or BAD guys " etc ?

Try applying the same standards to both parties as a point of departure , instead of trying to pile all of the blame on one side
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
You can only see things from a very narrow viewpoint and often misrepresent anything outside of it that people may put up................ this entire thread being just the most recent example.

As I have said already here recently , and on many other occasions , there are good and bad on both sides. Both sides bear a great responsibility for the current situation. Wanting to cast one faction on one side of the conflict as being solely responsible for the ongoing violence and/or the reason why this conflict remains in turmoil with no end in sight is a ridiculous view to hold.

What about the repeated attacks on Palestinian civilians , the ongoing illegal settlement and brutal occupation carried out via the IDF ? Are they the actions of " GOOD guys or BAD guys " etc ?

Try applying the same standards to both parties as a point of departure , instead of trying to pile all of the blame on one side
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Did or did not Hamas slaughter their own people under cover of the Israeli assault?

This thread is NOT about the IDF.

You have plenty of threads crying about the IDF.

Cry there.

Are Hamas GOOD or are they BAD?

They foment hatred, waste valuable supplies and kill their own.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Did or did not Hamas slaughter their own people under cover of the Israeli assault?
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Yes they did and nobody is saying they didn't are they ?

They gave kangaroo court type " trials " and murdered others without trials at all. Extrajudicial killings. The thing is though , I am consistent when it comes to due process and iffy trials whereas you people are only against them when Hamas is the guilty party , in quite staggering displays of bias

You are either against extrajudicial killings or you are not imo................... and if you only condemn these things when they are committed by people you oppose but cheer lead/defend them when they are committed by people you support ,you are showing a great degree of hypocrisy , enough in fact to disqualify you from being taken seriously at all imo !!
 
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oneworld2 said:
Yes they did and nobody is saying they didn't are they ?

They gave kangaroo court type " trials " and murdered others without trials at all. Extrajudicial killings.<Snipped Israelblather>
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And all this killing.

Does it make Hamas the GOOD GUYS in Palestine?
 
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Fledermaus said:
You have plenty of threads crying about the IDF.

Cry there.
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So , pointing out the IDF use of Palestinians as human shields , use of torture ( even for children ) , conduct their own kangaroo courts in occupied Palestine , carry out persistent extrajudicial executions all of the time , and commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in their conflict with the Palestinians is dismissed as , " crying about the IDF " ? LOL

Thanks for confirming why you should not be taken the least bit seriously on this subject. Staggering in its bias as ever :roll:
 
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Fledermaus said:
And all this killing.

Does it make Hamas the GOOD GUYS in Palestine?
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Good you even admit that you " snip Israel blather "................ reads when people show that the IDF / Israeli side have and do commit many of the same crimes as the Palestinians it must be ignored

Your level of bias and prejudice is on a par with the worst extremists on either side and thus your highly loaded and hack questions can just drop off the cliff unanswered
 
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Fledermaus said:
IDF IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.... HAMAS IS. CAN YOU NOT READ?

And all this killing.

Does it make Hamas the GOOD GUYS in Palestine?
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Bounce that bigotry off someone else
 
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oneworld2 said:
What you " know " isn't reliable/factual anyhow so............
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I know what you are. Your own words betray you.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
I know what you are. Your own words betray you.
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Classic projection. Your words were based on an obvious blind hatred of Palestinians ( wanting them all condemned to hell , recall ) and were actually contrary to the reality , as shown in the articles I linked in the post you neglected to try and refute
 
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oneworld2 said:
Classic projection. Your words were based on an obvious blind hatred of Palestinians ( wanting them all condemned to hell , recall ) and were actually contrary to the reality , as shown in the articles I linked in the post you neglected to try and refute
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It is not blind.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
It is not blind.
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TBH I don't care what or where your commentary comes from , I just know it has precious little to do with the reality
 
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oneworld2 said:
Classic projection. Your words were based on an obvious blind hatred of Palestinians ( wanting them all condemned to hell , recall ) and were actually contrary to the reality , as shown in the articles I linked in the post you neglected to try and refute
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What is the subject of the thread?

Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
TBH I don't care what or where your commentary comes from , I just know it has precious little to do with the reality
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Not your illusory reality.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Not your illusory reality.
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I backed mine with facts and links to those facts................... you posted your opinion with nothing to back it and then refused to even try to back it when it got shredded

You are in no position to complain
 
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oneworld2 said:
I backed mine with facts and links to those facts................... you posted your opinion with nothing to back it and then refused to even try to back it when it got shredded

You are in no position to complain
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So, are Hamas the "Good guys" in regards to the Palestinians?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Not according to amnesty international.

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict | Amnesty International
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I agree Israel’s Operation Protective Edge that was launched in the Gaza Strip in 2014 after escalations in hostilities, resulted in a blood bath.

No, Hamas are not the "good guys." Far from it. How anyone could actually be surprised (if they are), by the terrorist organization's brutal actions is really beyond me. The summary executions are indefensible and they are war crimes. I've highlighted this happening and talked about it numerous times in the past here.
 
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The good guys in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

If you are actually interested, Start with John Swinnen.

Just one of many.


It's a conflict saturated in politics and opinion, but for Dr John Swinnen, all that matters is compassion because he knows exactly what it's like to lose a loved one.
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Serenity said:
I agree Israel’s Operation Protective Edge that was launched in the Gaza Strip in 2014 after escalations in hostilities, resulted in a blood bath.

No, Hamas are not the "good guys." Far from it. How anyone could actually be surprised (if they are), by the terrorist organization's brutal actions is really beyond me. The summary executions are indefensible and they are war crimes. I've highlighted this happening and talked about it numerous times in the past here.
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Nobody has claimed Hamas are the " good guys ". The thread was and is based on a straw man

And , as for summary executions , they are ghastly whether they are carried out by Hamas operatives or IDF pilots as per the policy of " targeted assassinations " of Palestinians that many here , including the person you have responded to , support.

You are either against extrajudicial killings or you are not. Those that support it when it is carried out by Israelis but denounce it if it is carried out by Palestinians deserve only contempt for their hypocrisy and indifference

And , the hostilities increased prior to the 2014 bloodbath because Netanyahu and co were looking for a pretext to carry one out and so jumped on the murder of the 3 Israeli teens to provide it. It's not like mass Israeli attacks on the virtually defenceless population of Gaza are a rare occurrence
 
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Serenity said:
I agree Israel’s Operation Protective Edge that was launched in the Gaza Strip in 2014 after escalations in hostilities, resulted in a blood bath.

No, Hamas are not the "good guys." Far from it. How anyone could actually be surprised (if they are), by the terrorist organization's brutal actions is really beyond me. The summary executions are indefensible and they are war crimes. I've highlighted this happening and talked about it numerous times in the past here.
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Indeed.
Hamas is a sick terror group and if IDF will destroy them, many Gazans will be happy for it because since Hamas rulling Gaza, Gaza only got worse.
 
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oneworld2 said:
Nobody has claimed Hamas are the " good guys ". The thread was and is based on a straw man

And , as for summary executions , they are ghastly whether they are carried out by Hamas operatives or IDF pilots as per the policy of " targeted assassinations " of Palestinians that many here , including the person you have responded to , support.

You are either against extrajudicial killings or you are not. Those that support it when it is carried out by Israelis but denounce it if it is carried out by Palestinians deserve only contempt for their hypocrisy and indifference

And , the hostilities increased prior to the 2014 bloodbath because Netanyahu and co were looking for a pretext to carry one out and so jumped on the murder of the 3 Israeli teens to provide it. It's not like mass Israeli attacks on the virtually defenceless population of Gaza are a rare occurrence
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Are not known terrorists legitimate targets?
 
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