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[W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Has anybody here called Hamas the "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza bloodbath?
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

RabidAlpaca said:
Has anybody here called Hamas the "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza bloodbath?
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No , but they have rubbished his claim that all of the Human Rights groups have supported the Israeli claim that Palestinian combatants routinely use non combatants as human shields.

So much so that he had to lie/misrepresent a source he provided

Citing a third party commentators spin on an Amnesty report as though it was Amnesty International themselves

That's the reason behind the thread imo
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
No , but they have rubbished his claim that all of the Human Rights groups have supported the Israeli claim that Palestinian combatants routinely use non combatants as human shields.
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As a matter of strategy, not individual tactics. Attacks from hospitals and such. Not literally holding someone in front of oneself.

It's routine. Everyone knows that. You can't gaslight terrorism.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
No , but they have rubbished his claim that all of the Human Rights groups have supported the Israeli claim that Palestinian combatants routinely use non combatants as human shields.

So much so that he had to lie/misrepresent a source he provided

Citing a third party commentators spin on an Amnesty report as though it was Amnesty International themselves

That's the reason behind the thread imo
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Lie more about my intentions.

I found this article while doing what you refuse to do.

Research.

Not only was Hamas sacrificing their people as human shields they were slaughtering them wholesale...

And I quoted an Amnesty International report... So you can cease that lie.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Fledermaus said:
Hyperbole to make a point.

But you knew that.
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All I see is hyperbole without a point. Did you have something to say or was the thread title supposed to tell us everything?
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

RabidAlpaca said:
All I see is hyperbole without a point. Did you have something to say or was the thread title supposed to tell us everything?
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Read the link.

It is in English and not too hard.

You can ask for help if the bigger words and more complex concepts escape you.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Fledermaus said:
Read the link.

It is in English and not too hard.

You can ask for help if the bigger words and more complex concepts escape you.
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So no you did not have a point you just wanted to repost an article you thought was nice while arguing with an imaginary strawman.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

ecofarm said:
As a matter of strategy, not individual tactics.
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Unless Palestinian combatants should be expected to line up like ducks in open fields there are some problems. It's not incumbent upon them to do so either . The Palestinian combatants have a responsibility to "take all feasible precautions" to avoid or minimize the incidental loss of civilian life and damage to civilian objects. That means they are not disqualified from launching attacks from urban areas that are bound to have large civilian populations. Firing from schools and hospitals would be breaches but firing from near them might well come under the realm of taking precautions , given the density of the terrain etc

Either way it is a whole lot murkier a call for the use of human shields than forcing people at gunpoint to protect combatants from attack or forcing non combatants to open packages suspected of being boobytrapped.

And that is reflected in the studies conducted by HR groups into the use of human shields by BOTH sides . Contrary to Fledermaus' claims they haven't supported the claims of widespread/repeated use of Palestinians as human shields by Palestinian combatants

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Attacks from hospitals and such. Not literally holding someone in front of oneself.[/quote]

See above and acquaint yourself with how prevalent the latter is in IDF situations
It's routine. Everyone knows that. You can't gaslight terrorism.
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Nobody is gaslighting terrorism. They are trying to sort the facts from the fictions. There is an ongoing armed conflict and as such the laws governing war are more apt , hence references from the HR groups of war crimes committed by BOTH parties
 
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Fledermaus said:
Hyperbole to make a point.

But you knew that.
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But the point you tried to make was false/fraudulent nonetheless
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
Unless Palestinian combatants should be expected to line up like ducks in open fields there are some problems. It's not incumbent upon them to do so either .
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Under threat of Hamas slaughtering your family, you'd do it too. We all would. It's silver or lead. In what world does Hamas ask for volunteers? Laughable.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Fledermaus said:
Lie more about my intentions.

I found this article while doing what you refuse to do.

Research.

Not only was Hamas sacrificing their people as human shields they were slaughtering them wholesale...

And I quoted an Amnesty International report... So you can cease that lie.
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Ive done my research over many years on this subject and that's why I know the alleged citing by you of Amnesty International report was fraudulently filtered through a third party

You claimed to have cited Amnesty themselves but instead cited a third party that was putting their own spin on it

I asked you to give the source for the text you , fraudulently claimed was direct from Amnesty and you refused 3 times

That's the facts of the matter

And I had already read that report a long time ago and that's why I knew

A That what you attributed to Amnesty was a spin from a third party of a report they brought out ( most likely a US / Israeli source )

b That you wouldn't be able to use that report to back your claims on human shields

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re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
Unless Palestinian combatants should be expected to line up like ducks in open fields there are some problems. It's not incumbent upon them to do so either . The Palestinian combatants have a responsibility to "take all feasible precautions" to avoid or minimize the incidental loss of civilian life and damage to civilian objects. That means they are not disqualified from launching attacks from urban areas that are bound to have large civilian populations. Firing from schools and hospitals would be breaches but firing from near them might well come under the realm of taking precautions , given the density of the terrain etc

Either way it is a whole lot murkier a call for the use of human shields than forcing people at gunpoint to protect combatants from attack or forcing non combatants to open packages suspected of being boobytrapped.

And that is reflected in the studies conducted by HR groups into the use of human shields by BOTH sides . Contrary to Fledermaus' claims they haven't supported the claims of widespread/repeated use of Palestinians as human shields by Palestinian combatants

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Attacks from hospitals and such. Not literally holding someone in front of oneself.

See above and acquaint yourself with how prevalent the latter is in IDF situations


Nobody is gaslighting terrorism. They are trying to sort the facts from the fictions. There is an ongoing armed conflict and as such the laws governing war are more apt , hence references from the HR groups of war crimes committed by BOTH parties
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All that blather....

Wrong thread.

This one is about Hamas torturing and butchering their own...
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
Ive done my research over many years on this subject and that's why I know the alleged citing by you of Amnesty International report was fraudulently filtered through a third party

You claimed to have cited Amnesty themselves but instead cited a third party that was putting their own spin on it

I asked you to give the source for the text you , fraudulently claimed was direct from Amnesty and you refused 3 times

That's the facts of the matter

And I had already read that report a long time ago and that's why I knew

A That what you attributed to Amnesty was a spin from a third party of a report they brought out ( most likely a US / Israeli source )

b That you wouldn't be able to use that report to back your claims on human shields

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Fraudulently filtered? Incorrect.

And the wrong thread.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Intentional ignorance noted.
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It's your own ignorance that is on display about the very report you have made a thread off

I said to you that their are many odious acts that the HR groups rightfully slate Hamas for but the widespread or even repeated use of human shields isn't one of them and the report you cited will confirm that if you ever bother to actually read it or any of the many other reports from HR groups that have investigated the claims. Along with the many journalists that have also commented on it
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

From the link....

Hamas forces carried out a brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others during Israel’s military offensive against Gaza in July and August 2014, according to a new report by Amnesty International.
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
It's your own ignorance that is on display about the very report you have made a thread off

I said to you that their are many odious acts that the HR groups rightfully slate Hamas for but the widespread or even repeated use of human shields isn't one of them and the report you cited will confirm that if you ever bother to actually read it or any of the many other reports from HR groups that have investigated the claims. Along with the many journalists that have also commented on it
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What say you about Hamas butchery?

We know you will not honestly discuss the human shield issue.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Intentional ignorance noted.
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Someone else sussed your penchant for straw men ?
 
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“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”


Spreading fear through violence...

What is that called?

Oh, the irony.

Terrorism against Palestinians
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Fledermaus said:
What say you about Hamas butchery?
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Dreadful , horrific , same as when other people do it.


We know you will not honestly discuss the human shield issue.
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Projection large

You were outed for your dishonesty big time in that discussion, so all's left for you to do , having refused to clarify the source (that was never Amnesty themselves ) 3 times , is to ridiculously try to project those dishonest traits onto me.........................desperate !! :)
 
re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

oneworld2 said:
No , but they have rubbished his claim that all of the Human Rights groups have supported the Israeli claim that Palestinian combatants routinely use non combatants as human shields.

So much so that he had to lie/misrepresent a source he provided

Citing a third party commentators spin on an Amnesty report as though it was Amnesty International themselves

That's the reason behind the thread imo
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That's why Hamas and Hezbollah regularly store weapons, explosives, and other tools for terror in hospitals and schools, building bunkers for their leaders in the same hospitals and schools. We know they want to be close to the children they teach to hate.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Fraudulently filtered? Incorrect.

And the wrong thread.
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Citing a source and then using the text from a different source is indeed fraudulent..............no question about it. I understand why you would just like it to disappear but them's the facts
 
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