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[W:348]Terror Tunnels ?

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Fledermaus said:
Please share.... Do you believe Israel complicit in 9/11?
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I said Netanyahu claimed it ( the crime ) was " benefiting Israel "

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,"
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https://www.haaretz.com/1.4970678

See how quickly you are prepared to dive in only to end up with a massive blob of egg on your face ?
 
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oneworld2 said:
Saddam didn't impose the sanctions , your own psychopathic leaderships did and you wouldn't care a jot if the death toll from those sanctions would have been 5,000,000 kids. Your willingness to subordinate yourself in a truly sickly display of deference coupled with the necessity to cheer lead for the disgusting crimes of your own tribe is embarrassing to behold
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Saddam didn't follow the requirements of his cease fire which RESULTED in the sanctions.

Do you not understand the sanctions were due to Saddam's actions?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Saddam didn't follow the requirements of his cease fire which RESULTED in the sanctions.

Do you not understand the sanctions were due to Saddam's actions?
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You can only go on the stats and the stats say that both people charged with running that programme resigned in protest of the carnage and death an suffering it was causing to the Iraqi people,

If you feel better hiding from the fact that it was an appalling humanitarian crime committed by the UNSC nations , including your own , then you can do so. I choose not to and hold my own nation partly responsible
 
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Fledermaus said:
Hey, look... A non-answer.




Please share.... Do you believe Israel complicit in 9/11?
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I don't know it's possible

What do you think about Netanyahus comments that it was good for Israel ?
 
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oneworld2 said:
I don't know it's possible

What do you think about Netanyahus comments that it was good for Israel ?
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I believe 9/11 opened American eyes to real terrorists and it is a sample of what Israel has had to contend with dealing with terrorism....

You could not figure that out?
 
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oneworld2 said:
You can only go on the stats and the stats say that both people charged with running that programme resigned in protest of the carnage and death an suffering it was causing to the Iraqi people,

If you feel better hiding from the fact that it was an appalling humanitarian crime committed by the UNSC nations , including your own , then you can do so. I choose not to and hold my own nation partly responsible
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You ignore the fact SADDAM and SADDAM alone was the cause of the sanctions...
 
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Fledermaus said:
You ignore the fact SADDAM and SADDAM alone was the cause of the sanctions...
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Nope , as usual you cannot face the fact that your own nation is involved in or the initiators of crimes that dwarf the actions of all Jihadists groups worldwide put together and by some distance and then some more

He was never going to comply, and they knew it , and the sanctions were only going to hurt the ordinary Iraqis the most, killing hundreds of thousands of them . They knew that too. And when all of the people charged with administering them resigned in protest they still didn't stop them with the sanctions carrying on right up to the second , and wholly illegal , invasion of Iraq in 2003 that accounted for a great many more deaths and the country being reduced to rubble and sectarian chaos.

You will still blame Hussein because you need to but those of us who have not decided to defend any and every action/crime that our country is or has been involved in don't have to resort the the gymnastics needed to keep justifying as the crimes mount and mount.
 
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oneworld2 said:
Nope , as usual you cannot face the fact that your own nation is involved in or the initiators of crimes that dwarf the actions of all Jihadists groups worldwide put together and by some distance and then some more

He was never going to comply, and they knew it , and the sanctions were only going to hurt the ordinary Iraqis the most, killing hundreds of thousands of them . They knew that too. And when all of the people charged with administering them resigned in protest they still didn't stop them with the sanctions carrying on right up to the second , and wholly illegal , invasion of Iraq in 2003 that accounted for a great many more deaths and the country being reduced to rubble and sectarian chaos.

You will still blame Hussein because you need to but those of us who have not decided to defend any and every action/crime that our country is or has been involved in don't have to resort the the gymnastics needed to keep justifying as the crimes mount and mount.
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He was never going to comply....

Your words.

Therefore Saddam was the cause of the sanctions.

Because we all know peaceful sanctions are preferable to war... Right?

To end the suffering of his people all Saddam had to do is live up to the the conditions HE AGREED TO.

But he didn't.

Like Hamas he wanted to use the suffering of his people so he could wave the bloody shirt...

Like Hamas he didn't use what money and aid came his way to alleviate the suffering. In Iraq it was more Saddam palaces and in Gaza it is more "Terror tunnels". Incredibly wasteful projects that did nothing for the people.

As to the "illegal" moniker... It is laughable you try that tactic as well.

Had Saddam lived up to the conditions HE AGREED TO there would have been no invasion.

I blame Saddam because it is the actions of Saddam and Saddam alone that made for the suffering of Iraqis....
 
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Fledermaus said:
He was never going to comply....

Your words.

Therefore Saddam was the cause of the sanctions.

Because we all know peaceful sanctions are preferable to war... Right?

To end the suffering of his people all Saddam had to do is live up to the the conditions HE AGREED TO.

But he didn't.

Like Hamas he wanted to use the suffering of his people so he could wave the bloody shirt...

Like Hamas he didn't use what money and aid came his way to alleviate the suffering. In Iraq it was more Saddam palaces and in Gaza it is more "Terror tunnels". Incredibly wasteful projects that did nothing for the people.

As to the "illegal" moniker... It is laughable you try that tactic as well.

Had Saddam lived up to the conditions HE AGREED TO there would have been no invasion.

I blame Saddam because it is the actions of Saddam and Saddam alone that made for the suffering of Iraqis....
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Nope, the time to get shut of Saddam Hussein was after the 1991 invasion when the US led coalition actively ensured that his grip on power would be complete despite Bush snr calling for Iraqis to overthrow him. Had that happened what need would there have been for any sanctions ? None , but the fear was Iranian profit. So they decided to ensure SH regime would stay in power.

So even before the sanctions the chance was there to oust SH it just wasn't supported by the US and so it never happened. Crucial event with respect to the rest of the content in this post

And at first he didn't comply with weapons inspections and then he did. Rolf Ekeus , former weapons inspector was on the verge of certifying that Iraq had no WMDs when the Clinton government decided to move the goalposts on the sanctions removal to removal of SH himself ( a breach of the UN charter ) he stopped cooperating again.

It isn't hard to work out that the sanctions were to be imposed until regime change was reached. So to recap. They were first introduced to pressure SH to retreat from Kuwait. Then they morphed into pressure for SH regime to destroy WMDs. Then they morphed into a pressure tactic for regime change itself . That's the reality and thus the sanctions were never going to be stopped REGARDLESS of what was agreed to because what was agreed to kept changing as each justification for them was negated

So yep your country( and my own ) deliberately changed agreements to make sure the sanctions would be there for the long haul and thus bear responibility for the people that died every bit as much as SH did
 
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oneworld2 said:
Nope, the time to get shut of Saddam Hussein was after the 1991 invasion when the US led coalition actively ensured that his grip on power would be complete despite Bush snr calling for Iraqis to overthrow him. Had that happened what need would there have been for any sanctions ? None , but the fear was Iranian profit. So they decided to ensure SH regime would stay in power.

So even before the sanctions the chance was there to oust SH it just wasn't supported by the US and so it never happened. Crucial event with respect to the rest of the content in this post

And at first he didn't comply with weapons inspections and then he did. Rolf Ekeus , former weapons inspector was on the verge of certifying that Iraq had no WMDs when the Clinton government decided to move the goalposts on the sanctions removal to removal of SH himself ( a breach of the UN charter ) he stopped cooperating again.

It isn't hard to work out that the sanctions were to be imposed until regime change was reached. So to recap. They were first introduced to pressure SH to retreat from Kuwait. Then they morphed into pressure for SH regime to destroy WMDs. Then they morphed into a pressure tactic for regime change itself . That's the reality and thus the sanctions were never going to be stopped REGARDLESS of what was agreed to because what was agreed to kept changing as each justification for them was negated

So yep your country( and my own ) deliberately changed agreements to make sure the sanctions would be there for the long haul and thus bear responibility for the people that died every bit as much as SH did
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Wow...

All that typing trying to remove the blood from Saddam's hands..

More "Murica" to blame for Saddam's butchery...

As to the squashing of the Shiites that was Saddam being Saddam. Pure and simple. Just as he slaughtered Kurds and others routinely.

Now you blame America for NOT interfering in Iraqi internal division...

Make up your mind.

As to WMDs Saddam did everything possible to prevent unfettered inspection and to keep the illusion alive that he still was capable of WMDs.

Again. Saddam being Saddam.

And he had the ability to end the sanctions.

He didn't. For the reasons I gave.

Saddam's fault.

To recap. Saddam being Saddam led to Saddam being found in a hole.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Wow...

All that typing trying to remove the blood from Saddam's hands..

More "Murica" to blame for Saddam's butchery...

As to the squashing of the Shiites that was Saddam being Saddam. Pure and simple. Just as he slaughtered Kurds and others routinely.

Now you blame America for NOT interfering in Iraqi internal division...

Make up your mind.

As to WMDs Saddam did everything possible to prevent unfettered inspection and to keep the illusion alive that he still was capable of WMDs.

Again. Saddam being Saddam.

And he had the ability to end the sanctions.

He didn't. For the reasons I gave.

Saddam's fault.

To recap. Saddam being Saddam led to Saddam being found in a hole.
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Emotional need to whitewash US actions just as expected
 
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