[W:348]Terror Tunnels ?

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Apocalypse said:

"I'm not dodging the point you've made in this thread for 13 times, I'm just dodging the point you've made in this thread for 13 times because you are dodging the points I made just now because you say I'm dodging the point you've made in your first post in this thread for 13 times now".

Making perfect sense.

Your world view can't handle reality clearly.

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Obviously you choose to carry on with the babbling instead of making any attempt to back up your claims

There is only one conclusion that can be made

Your claims are not legitimate claims at all but a series of lies that you cannot deny nor defend

You have been well and truly outed here

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oneworld2 said:

I've described what the " self defence " is , it's the defence of the rapist from the flailing limbs of his victim

Arabs never entered countries looking to violate Jews in the 18/19th centuries , it was Jews fleeing European antisemites that racked up in Palestine looking to throw out the locals and keep the territory for themselves

That's just a fact you cannot deny

When you use lethal force without the justification that you had no other choice you are well open to the charge of committing murder

Was Mr Murtaja a " terrorist " ?

You remember the guy you lied about flying a drone over the heads of IDF soldiers ?

What about Razan al-Najjar the young woman medic ?

The term " Terrorist " used to mean something specific, someone involved in actually committing terrorist attacks. Now it just means anyone even remotely associated with Hamas in Gaza , males of fighting age regardless of involvement.

We killed them , therefore they were terrorists.

Occupations are supposed to be temporary. When they go on for decades and include the illegal transfer of the civilian population of the occupying power they become annexations

If you care for your civilians you don't transfer them into a hostile territory. That's just common sense. So no , your assessments are completely bogus imo

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You continue to reason the acts of aggression and violence of the Palestinians with Israel's existence.
Thus justifying the rapist by claiming the victim has a short skirt. Israel exists, so the Palestinians are okay to murder civilians.

I don't discuss the individuals that are out of the ordinary. There are tragedies on the battlefield and in cases where soldiers have done wrong they should be investigated. I discuss the majority. When you're discussing "over 200 murdered" you're referring to mostly terrorists. Referring to terrorists as 'murdered' and crying for their justified killing is being openly immoral and playing the devil's advocate in the way that it seeks to forbid acts of defense by the victims of the terrorists taken to prevent their acts of murder - so to allow such acts to be carried through.

You often say "no it's not justified" and the same time you reason it, you call those who oppose it "murderers" and you equate it with acts of crime either moral crimes or legal crimes. That's being openly immoral and recognizing the superior morality of your opposition when you're knowingly promoting something you realize is evil and monstrously inhuman such as the act of launching rockets to murder civilians or the acts of trying to invade Israel and terrorize its citizens.

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oneworld2 said:

Obviously you choose to carry on with the babbling instead of making any attempt to back up your claims

There is only one conclusion that can be made

Your claims are not legitimate claims at all but a series of lies that you cannot deny nor defend

You have been well and truly outed here

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You're basically arguing with the facts here for quite a while now, not with me.
This forum is documented. Anyone can see my post, #92 on this thread, that you've ignored for 14 times - was ignored because you couldn't find an answer, not because I "ignored post #292 in this thread".

It's like someone beating you up for 12 days in a row and after 13 days telling you he did it because you punched him on the tenth day. Hilarious, funny, but completely ridiculous and extremely pathetic - a dishonest approach anyway which is far from the only one (see claims for strawman that were shown as a tactic used when your arguments were destroyed by NO1/CJ/Me or others).

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Apocalypse said:

You're basically arguing with the facts here for quite a while now, not with me.
This forum is documented. Anyone can see my post, #92 on this thread, that you've ignored for 14 times - was ignored because you couldn't find an answer, not because I "ignored post #292 in this thread".

It's like someone beating you up for 12 days in a row and after 13 days telling you he did it because you punched him on the tenth day. Hilarious, funny, but completely ridiculous and extremely pathetic - a dishonest approach anyway which is far from the only one (see claims for strawman that were shown as a tactic used when your arguments were destroyed by NO1/CJ/Me or others).

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You chose not to back your lies , fair enough , you lost. Your claims were nothing but lies and you know it CJ2.0 hasn't responded to the false claim he made. And no1 has provided more evidence to support the OP than I did myself lol

So sure , knock yourself out with the delusion that you all " destroyed " my argument. Look at those that have thanked the OP and made some contributions earlier in the thread that understood the thread. Endorsement from those in the echo chamber counts for little or nothing in reality

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oneworld2 said:

Nope, you cannot prove anything of your claims from that footage

I have asked you numerous times about the footage and your claims and set out where the problems lie with it. So what do you do ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you claim that it is me that is " dodging " :roll:

You cannot be taken seriously as a result

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After the pathetic lies you made, you are the one who cannot be taken seriously.

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oneworld2 said:

And if I saw a child being battered by a man in a car park and couldn't , for whatever reason , intervene personally to stop it I would likewise support the arming of that child so as to stop the attack

The wish to deprive the Palestinians weapons they can actually target is solely , from the allegedly pro Israeli side here at least, aimed at maintaining the view that their is no legitimate resistance but only terrorism

To support the massacring by a powerful and sophisticated military machine of a virtually defenceless population held in an open prison with no means of escape is a grotesquely immoral position to hold imo

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Aside your wrong analogy, I want to focus about your radical view you are holding.
When you support terror group as Hamas which responsible of mass suicide attacks, public executions, using human shields and rocket launching to civilian populations (these are the actions you support), you separate yourself from the civilized world, you are not holding any liberal values in any shape, way or form. You are radical, and you are a good example of those who cheers for human rights and at the same time waving Hamas/Hezbollah flags, pure hypocrisy which showing their true colors.

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NO1 said:

Aside your wrong analogy, I want to focus about your radical view you are holding.

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The analogy isn't wrong , it is accurate.

From a military might perspective the Palestinians are like babies and the Israelis like Conan the Barbarian, such is the disparity

And if people have no problem seeing a baby getting battered about a car park by a muscular adult male then there's something definitely lacking in their humanity , and massively so imo

The figures bear it out and show, before you play the NEDJ card, a definite case of too many dead Palestinians

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oneworld2 said:

The analogy isn't wrong , it is accurate.

From a military might perspective the Palestinians are like babies and the Israelis like Conan the Barbarian, such is the disparity

And if people have no problem seeing a baby getting battered about a car park by a muscular adult male then there's something definitely lacking in their humanity , and massively so imo

The figures bear it out and show, before you play the NEDJ card, a definite case of too many dead Palestinians

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Figures and power are irrelevant here. We are asked who is the aggressor and to that question one must answer - the Palestinians. Who are the ones defending themselves and to that one must answer - Israel.

When one discusses morality he doesn't discuss which side is stronger - he discusses which side is more moral. Supporting terrorists murdering babies, well, is exactly what you described it - inhuman.

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NO1 said:

When you support terror group as Hamas which responsible of mass suicide attacks, public executions, using human shields and rocket launching to civilian populations (these are the actions you support), you separate yourself from the civilized world, you are not holding any liberal values in any shape, way or form. You are radical, and you are a good example of those who cheers for human rights and at the same time waving Hamas/Hezbollah flags, pure hypocrisy which showing their true colors.

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I support the right of Palestinians to resist Israeli occupation and/or siege if they want to. I think the resistance can only be kind of symbolic but they do have that right. That's a different thing from " supporting Hamas ". The blind support actually is most evident in the posts of the people such as yourself , CJ2.0 , Apocalypse etc

As for attacks in depends on whom and with what whether I see any legitimacy or not. Attacks by Palestinians that target IDF soldiers/personnel are perfectly legitimate given the circumstances.

Indiscriminate attacks that intend to target IDF soldiers but will obviously kill innocent people I don't agree with even if the case is made that it was the soldiers that were targeted

I don't defend the use of human shields no matter which side is guilty

I have constantly referred to the indiscriminate rocket attacks from Gaza as illegitimate acts of resistance/war crimes/terrorism.,

Extrajudicial executions are also not supported by me , no matter what side carries them out

The above is all well documented here in the numerous threads I have taken part in

Enough about me for now. So let's talk a little about your views on the very same subjects shall we ?

You have supported the use of Palestinians as human shields if the IDF are the ones using them.

You have supported and do support the frequent indiscriminate IDF assaults on the densely populated Gaza strip that routinely kill vast numbers of innocent civilians including hundreds of kids , maiming for life tens of thousands more

You support extrajudicial killings in the form of targeted assassinations of Palestinians

You will surely know that Israel has tortured tens of thousands of Palestinian detainees and keeps thousands in administrative detention , which is detention without trial or charge

You support the military occupation and/or besieging of over 4 million people and the mass of human rights violations that accompany that that have been the story for over 5 decades now

So , when you try to tell me I don't belong to the civilized world I laugh at it and accept that the genuine hypocrisy evident in your views and the highly immoral stances you support are being projected onto to me

That I am radically different to you, and you notice this , makes me very happy indeed tbh

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NO1 said:

After the pathetic lies you made, you are the one who cannot be taken seriously.

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What " lies " would they be ?

Ive already proven that the dishonesty is and has been displayed by the people who are calling me dishonest for no apparent reason other than they don't like the perspectives I offer up for debate

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Apocalypse said:

Figures and power are irrelevant here.

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No they're not , they are in fact crucial to this debate

We are asked who is the aggressor and to that question one must answer - the Palestinians. Who are the ones defending themselves and to that one must answer - Israel.

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That is so obviously an inversion of the reality. Nothing more than Zionist propaganda

Arabs never marched into Poland , Russia , Germany etc and demanded that Jews living there move on out so they could take over their homes for themselves now did they ?

Skipped the moral lecture due to its hollowness

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oneworld2 said:

No they're not , they are in fact crucial to this debate

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Of course they are irrelevant, it's completely nonsensical to claim that because one power is superior to another it means it's not just and righteous or that because that superior side is able to defend its people better then this side is not just and righteous.

This kind of illogical thinking is the basis of the antisemitic/anti-Israeli/anti-Western world views as I'm always pointing.

That is so obviously an inversion of the reality. Nothing more than Zionist propaganda

Arabs never marched into Poland , Russia , Germany etc and demanded that Jews living there move on out so they could take over their homes for themselves now did they ?

Skipped the moral lecture due to its hollowness

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Neither did Jews move to a country of Arabs and demanded them to move out.
Israel's population is 20% Arab. You're basing your views on pretty much outright lies such as this one.

This type of propagnda of yours was destroyed back in August 2014, and you should never skip the moral lecture.

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oneworld2 said:

The analogy isn't wrong , it is accurate.

From a military might perspective the Palestinians are like babies and the Israelis like Conan the Barbarian, such is the disparity

And if people have no problem seeing a baby getting battered about a car park by a muscular adult male then there's something definitely lacking in their humanity , and massively so imo

The figures bear it out and show, before you play the NEDJ card, a definite case of too many dead Palestinians

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Wrong again.
Child is generally used to describe innocent figure which do no harm, and Hamas are absolutely not innocent and they carry out terror attacks. So as I said you wrong.
In addition, of course IDF has much more force than Hamas, but it has nothing to do with Israel right to self-defense against Hamas terror attacks. Israel left Gaza long ago and got in return thousands of rockets, so of course the IDF will act like any other country in the world – it will defend its people. Self-defense has nothing to do with level of power you have. You keep failing.

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oneworld2 said:

I support the right of Palestinians to resist Israeli occupation and/or siege if they want to. I think the resistance can only be kind of symbolic but they do have that right. That's a different thing from " supporting Hamas ". The blind support actually is most evident in the posts of the people such as yourself , CJ2.0 , Apocalypse etc

As for attacks in depends on whom and with what whether I see any legitimacy or not. Attacks by Palestinians that target IDF soldiers/personnel are perfectly legitimate given the circumstances.

Indiscriminate attacks that intend to target IDF soldiers but will obviously kill innocent people I don't agree with even if the case is made that it was the soldiers that were targeted

I don't defend the use of human shields no matter which side is guilty

I have constantly referred to the indiscriminate rocket attacks from Gaza as illegitimate acts of resistance/war crimes/terrorism.,

Extrajudicial executions are also not supported by me , no matter what side carries them out

The above is all well documented here in the numerous threads I have taken part in

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It seems you don’t like the light, but that were your words don’t be shy now. You are the (only) one who suggests to arm the Gazans (Hamas) in the poll, also you are referring terrorists as victims and show sympathy for them, and last you are the one who started a thread which is pure Hamas propaganda.
And when you saying “yes” to arm Hamas, so you are also saying “yes” to Hamas actions, plain and simple.
Did I mention hypcoracy?

Enough about me for now. So let's talk a little about your views on the very same subjects shall we ?

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It seems I touched a nerve.

You have supported the use of Palestinians as human shields if the IDF are the ones using them.

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Where exactly I said that?

You have supported and do support the frequent indiscriminate IDF assaults on the densely populated Gaza strip that routinely kill vast numbers of innocent civilians including hundreds of kids , maiming for life tens of thousands more

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I support Israel self-defense against Hamas terror attacks, the civilians which being killed is due to Hamas extensive use of human shield. The IDF use many tactics to separate Hamas terrorist from the civilian population. The same terror group which you want to arm is responsible for that.

You support extrajudicial killings in the form of targeted assassinations of Palestinians

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Where exactly I said that?
I do support killing Hamas terrorists, btw.

You will surely know that Israel has tortured tens of thousands of Palestinian detainees and keeps thousands in administrative detention , which is detention without trial or charge

You support the military occupation and/or besieging of over 4 million people and the mass of human rights violations that accompany that that have been the story for over 5 decades now

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Of course I support the military occupation, I saw what happened when we removed our forces from Gaza. I don’t want another terror state couple mile of Tel-Aviv. When they will agree to live in peace and stop the terror, we can discuss about solutions.

So , when you try to tell me I don't belong to the civilized world I laugh at it and accept that the genuine hypocrisy evident in your views and the highly immoral stances you support are being projected onto to me

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Using bold won’t help you when you are saying “yes” for arming terror group.

That I am radically different to you, and you notice this , makes me very happy indeed tbh

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Same here

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oneworld2 said:

What " lies " would they be ?

Ive already proven that the dishonesty is and has been displayed by the people who are calling me dishonest for no apparent reason other than they don't like the perspectives I offer up for debate

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*yawn*
You proved nothing but your intention to distort the truth in order to promote Hamas propaganda.
You still got nothing. You are very good at throwing empty arguments which lack any basis.

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oneworld2 said:

What " lies " would they be ?

Ive already proven that the dishonesty is and has been displayed by the people who are calling me dishonest for no apparent reason other than they don't like the perspectives I offer up for debate

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Your words are called dishonest when they are dishonest; meaning, when you're clearly lying about that which you said.

An example would be the post of mine stating how you believe Israel to be an aggressor in the conflict as long as it exists. You answered with "No, that's a strawman argument. What I said is that Israel is the aggressor today because of how it came to exist". Logically speaking, this means you believe Israel is always an aggressor as long as it exists, as "how it came to exist" is a factor that doesn't change.

So I've given you an extended answer; answering both why your words are labeled dishonest by those who cherish honesty and your demand for an example for your dishonesty.

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NO1 said:

*yawn*
You proved nothing but your intention to distort the truth in order to promote Hamas propaganda.
You still got nothing. You are very good at throwing empty arguments which lack any basis.

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Right so you can't actually cite anything :roll:

What a shocker , it's so unlike you ( deep sarcasm ) lol

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NO1 said:

It seems you don’t like the light, but that were your words don’t be shy now. You are the (only) one who suggests to arm the Gazans (Hamas) in the poll, also you are referring terrorists as victims and show sympathy for them, and last you are the one who started a thread which is pure Hamas propaganda.
And when you saying “yes” to arm Hamas, so you are also saying “yes” to Hamas actions, plain and simple.
Did I mention hypcoracy?

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I don't like or dislike the light

I am referring to Palestinians as victims of occupation and siege which is true seeing as they are

The thread was started with the view of exposing Israeli propaganda and has been successful in that aim

As for arming the Palestinians , including Hamas , well yep. I think their cause of national liberation is just even if the means open to them are so limited as to see them resort to terrorism. Jews resorted to it to under the same circumstances remember ? The sad truth is that it does have an effect

It seems I touched a nerve.

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Nope, it's a two way street and as such you don't get to be the only one whose views are up for debate

Where exactly I said that?

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So are you denying this ?

You supported and defended the use of Palestinians as human shields by the IDF as part of a discussion on the " neighbourhood " policy claiming it only caused the death of one Palestinian

I support Israel self-defense against Hamas terror attacks, the civilians which being killed is due to Hamas extensive use of human shield. The IDF use many tactics to separate Hamas terrorist from the civilian population. The same terror group which you want to arm is responsible for that.

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Self defence has been and continues used to defend some of the most egregious crimes in history . Being confined to an area with civilians , as is the case with Gaza , is different than forcing them to open bags that you think might be booby trapped or stand in front of you to take the bullet. If you expect Hamas to take on the IDF by finding open ground in Gaza and lining up like ducks you are foolish in the extreme

Where exactly I said that?
I do support killing Hamas terrorists, btw.

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You support the targeted killings/extrajudicial killings of Palestinians involved in the resistance and/or anyone with any association to it. Just be consistent

Of course I support the military occupation, I saw what happened when we removed our forces from Gaza. I don’t want another terror state couple mile of Tel-Aviv. When they will agree to live in peace and stop the terror, we can discuss about solutions.

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Watch the 5 Broken Cameras thread and see what its like to live under occupation

You could have a long term ceasefire agreement with Hamas but you choose to kill them, besiege them and imprison them. Then you complain about the reaction to that

Using bold won’t help you when you are saying “yes” for arming terror group.


Same here

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So they can better defend themselves from Israeli attack for sure and maybe stop terrorist attacks on civilians because they can actually take on the IDF

You don't want to see them armed in such a way so you can carry on calling them terrorists and this delegitimize their moral and legal right to resist

It's obvious

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Apocalypse said:

Your words are called dishonest when they are dishonest; meaning, when you're clearly lying about that which you said.

An example would be the post of mine stating how you believe Israel to be an aggressor in the conflict as long as it exists. You answered with "No, that's a strawman argument. What I said is that Israel is the aggressor today because of how it came to exist". Logically speaking, this means you believe Israel is always an aggressor as long as it exists, as "how it came to exist" is a factor that doesn't change.

So I've given you an extended answer; answering both why your words are labeled dishonest by those who cherish honesty and your demand for an example for your dishonesty.

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You don't " cherish honesty " lmao you violate it in every thread you appear in

That's not even my words you have in quotation marks. It's actually your spin you are describing in the above

MY words state , correctly , that Zionism and Zionists were the initial aggressors and that everything has stemmed from that. Which is also correct

That is different from saying Israel is the aggressor each and every time today. That's your spin on it that you dishonestly attribute to me. Do I think Israel has acted aggressively and initiated much of the violence from that time to this ? Absolutely , but that is still a separate issue from what the origin of the conflict was down to and what understanding the context of that means for understanding the conflict generally

So now to your further dishonest allegations here

outstanding proof needed for

Claim that I stated the tunnels into Israel are for defensive purposes.............turns out to be a lie

Claim that I stated the rockets are a legitimate act of resistance........................turns out to be a lie

Claim that I stated the Israeli armed attack in Khan Younis was illegitimate......turns out to be a lie

Notice a pattern developing here ? Does that really sound like somebody who " cherishes the truth " ?

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oneworld2 said:

You don't " cherish honesty " lmao you violate it in every thread you appear in

That's not even my words you have in quotation marks. It's actually your spin you are describing in the above

MY words state , correctly , that Zionism and Zionists were the initial aggressors and that everything has stemmed from that. Which is also correct

That is different from saying Israel is the aggressor each and every time today. That's your spin on it that you dishonestly attribute to me. Do I think Israel has acted aggressively and initiated much of the violence from that time to this ? Absolutely , but that is still a separate issue from what the origin of the conflict was down to and what understanding the context of that means for understanding the conflict generally

So now to your further dishonest allegations here

outstanding proof needed for

Claim that I stated the tunnels into Israel are for defensive purposes.............turns out to be a lie

Claim that I stated the rockets are a legitimate act of resistance........................turns out to be a lie

Claim that I stated the Israeli armed attack in Khan Younis was illegitimate......turns out to be a lie

Notice a pattern developing here ? Does that really sound like somebody who " cherishes the truth " ?

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Your nonsensical lies are quite irreleavnt as I've based everything that I said, you're merely choosing the way of deliberately promoting lies, good for you.
When you're constantly going back to Israel's existence to legitimize your choice to embrace barbarism and inhumanity you're just making it extremely easy to show the moral disparities between you and your opposition.

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Apocalypse said:

Your nonsensical lies are quite irreleavnt as I've based everything that I said, you're merely choosing the way of deliberately promoting lies, good for you.
When you're constantly going back to Israel's existence to legitimize your choice to embrace barbarism and inhumanity you're just making it extremely easy to show the moral disparities between you and your opposition.

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That's the second time I have been able to, irrefutably, compile a post that's able to list 3 or more lies you have concocted in a single thread. I am certain that there will be more opportunities for more of the same in future. You are therefore , you lie is the inescapable fact of the matter

You can't actually debate people without the resort to straw men and general trolling :doh

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oneworld2 said:

That's the second time I have been able to, irrefutably, compile a post that's able to list 3 or more lies you have concocted in a single thread. I am certain that there will be more opportunities for more of the same in future. You are therefore , you lie is the inescapable fact of the matter

You can't actually debate people without the resort to straw men and general trolling :doh

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If I couldn't debate, I wouldn't be here. While you clearly with your words choose to see this platform as a means to brainwash an audience (the constant reference to the "crowd", to fooling it, etc.), I see it as a means to present the morality and logic in my views and the lack of morality and logic in the opposition. The reason why each and every single one of your arguments gets destroyed so easily is because you're basing them on nonsensical propagnada found on small websites maintained by racist & ignorant groups/individuals. It's fairly easy to point how someone is wrong when he reasons acts of murder, when he claims that a nation existing is why it cannot be the defending party and when he says that the killing of terrorists while they engage in violence is equal to the massacring of civilians - all are statements that one doesn't need to work too hard to show the immorality and lack of logic in.

What you're left with after all that is destroyed is just throwing personal attacks like the above accusation of trolling, moving the goalpost with diversions towards ISIS in Syria or Israel's establishment and other examples, and mostly just choosing to have a dishonest discussion insisting on sticking with lies deliberately so to end the logical discussion and focus on empty accusations.

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Apocalypse said:

If I couldn't debate, I wouldn't be here.

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You can't debate without being dishonest and referring to that dishonesty on numerous occasions throughout whole threads so your continuing existence here is something of mystery precisely because of that

While you clearly with your words choose to see this platform as a means to brainwash an audience (the constant reference to the "crowd", to fooling it, etc.), I see it as a means to present the morality and logic in my views and the lack of morality and logic in the opposition. The reason why each and every single one of your arguments gets destroyed so easily is because you're basing them on nonsensical propagnada found on small websites maintained by racist & ignorant groups/individuals.

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Nope , my presence here is to address the Israeli state and its supporters propaganda machine that truly seeks to subvert the truth so it can carry on with its crimes against the Palestinians. My arguments stand up well and that is confirmed by your constant resort to straw man dishonesty . Three in this thread alone.

Creating a straw man , or straw men in your case , and then using them throughout the thread whilst inverting the reality about who is being dishonest is a stonewall case of trolling/baiting. So it is right to have called you out on it

We can now also add a fourth straw man with your claim that it was me that " moved the goalposts towards ISIS " when it was you , as you do in many other threads , that was the first to bring ISIS into the discussion. So you are only highlighting further in this very post I reply to your ongoing wish to lie and deceive , troll and bait

You are trolling precisely because you cannot debate

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oneworld2 said:

You can't debate without being dishonest and referring to that dishonesty on numerous occasions throughout whole threads so your continuing existence here is something of mystery precisely because of that

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Because you say so? You're pretty much being the only one who is dishonest here, and this failed attempt at smearing is part of it, so why should I find it relevant? No reason to.

Nope , my presence here is to address the Israeli state and its supporters propaganda machine that truly seeks to subvert the truth so it can carry on with its crimes against the Palestinians. My arguments stand up well and that is confirmed by your constant resort to straw man dishonesty . Three in this thread alone.

Creating a straw man , or straw men in your case , and then using them throughout the thread whilst inverting the reality about who is being dishonest is a stonewall case of trolling/baiting. So it is right to have called you out on it

We can now also add a fourth straw man with your claim that it was me that " moved the goalposts towards ISIS " when it was you , as you do in many other threads , that was the first to bring ISIS into the discussion. So you are only highlighting further in this very post I reply to your ongoing wish to lie and deceive , troll and bait

You are trolling precisely because you cannot debate

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It isn't propaganda to be telling the truth basing your words with logic and the facts. It is actually propaganda to repeat that which you read on propaganda websites maintained by racist and ignorant groups/individuals without being familiar with the subject at all. Propaganda is to decide to see this platform as a means to brainwash, not as a means to make your position heard and to base it.

So far at none of the times that you called strawman it wasn't your words that were confronted. I know you claim otherwise, but that's just being dishonest, you were shown how exactly what you said is what was called out and yet you try (and fail) to spin it into a strawman so to divert from your arguments being logically torn apart. It happens again and again and again and will continue to happen probably. Doesn't matter, as long as your arguments are shown to be completely false and immoral, that's all that is important.

See for example your claim here regarding a strawman on you diverting towards ISIS in Syria. What happened? I used ISIS in an argument to give an example to an incident we discussed. I said that seeing Hamas actions as legitimate is meaningless because it is after all a terror group so its nature doesn't change even if some of its actions were seen as legitimate, and I've given an example saying that we can take ISIS for example in its attacks against Assad forces that are legitimate, and understand that it doesn't change their nature, just like Hamas', its supporters' and its members' natures aren't changing and they remain unfitting to live among human beings as terrorist murderers. You replied by using this opportunity saying "if you mention ISIS..." and went on with a mumbo-jumbo CT nonsense about Israel helping ISIS in its attacks on Hezbollah and Iranians. The use of ISIS as an example in relevance with the subject is no excuse for you to completely hijack the discussion towards CT nonsense. (It isn't allowed outside the CT forum btw anyway and for a good reason)

This adds up to every other single accusation of strawman you've made which as shown above is just a desperate tactic. Now, do feel free to continue to accuse me of trolling, your personal attacks are quite meaningless but I guess that's all you're left with when you can't even claim strawman without me destroying that claim as well.

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oneworld2 said:

Right so you can't actually cite anything :roll:

What a shocker , it's so unlike you ( deep sarcasm ) lol

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Well it seems you have a memory of a gold fish, as I already said your op is a lie and unlike you I actually based my words. And your poor arguments to distort the truth have been crashed.

Also I have to note your great dodging skills in both threads, it just showing you can defend your poor arguments.