[W:348]Terror Tunnels ?

oneworld2 · Nov 18, 2018

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NO1 said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo
Well it seems you have a memory of a gold fish,as I already said your op is a lie and unlike you I actually based my words. And your poor arguments to distort the truth have been crashed.

Also I have to note your great dodging skills in both threads, it just showing you can defend your poor arguments.

Not at all I don't recall you giving a single, solitary example of Hamas fighters exiting tunnels in Israel and attacking civilians.

Sure there's plenty of speculation and dodgy claims that some intent was found but nothing that a court would take seriously.

Even when they haven't been detected as entering by the IDF they have targeted IDF soldiers. That's why the term " ambush " is used. You see you don't get ambushed by people you know are there :roll: But hey , don't let such obviously damaging facts get in the way of a good propaganda story eh ? :lamo

oneworld2 · Nov 18, 2018

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Apocalypse said:
Because you say so?

Nope, because it's thoroughly documented throughout this and other threads

You're pretty much being the only one who is dishonest here, and this failed attempt at smearing is part of it, so why should I find it relevant? No reason to.

Ive listed them , all four lies in this thread so far and the number continues to rise

So far at none of the times that you called strawman it wasn't your words that were confronted.

Incoherent babble that you will need to explain again. My words are what are used to express my views. That's how it works

I know you claim otherwise, but that's just being dishonest, you were shown how exactly what you said is what was called out and yet you try (and fail) to spin it into a strawman so to divert from your arguments being logically torn apart.

I asked you , repeatedly to cite my words that would back up your claims , you refused and/or tried to muddy and babble to try to convince people here that you actually had when you clearly hadn't

It happens again and again and again and will continue to happen probably. Doesn't matter, as long as your arguments are shown to be completely false and immoral, that's all that is important.

It happens again and again precisely because that's what you do , concoct straw men again and again. The second sentence is a Freudian slip and actually is an admission of why you choose to attack people with straw men. The babbling and the slip show you are tiring and the guard is dropping

See for example your claim here regarding a strawman on you diverting towards ISIS in Syria. What happened? I used ISIS

You have actually admitted one of the straw men in the above insomuch that it was your introduction not mine

Here's what you wrote about this earlier

Apocalypse said:
moving the goalpost with diversions towards ISIS in Syria

See I never mentioned ISIS at all it was your introduction , you just didn't like the response to it you got. You had no need to bring them into the equation regardless of the way the conversation was going full stop

So it was , as I stated correctly , your introduction and your diversion from what was being discussed............. stone wall example in fact

Ive spent enough time debunking your false claims and outright lies for today

You deploy straw men and troll with them , fact

Oustanding examples of

The Gaza/Israel tunnels are used for defence that a claim you said I made and it is a lie

You claimed I claim the rockets from Gaza are legitimate resistance..........lie

You claim that I said the IDF attack on Hamas people in Khan Younis was illegitimate............. lie

Stop lying and using those lies to troll that's all I am asking you to do. How hard can it be ?

Apocalypse · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
Nope, because it's thoroughly documented throughout this and other threads

Ive listed them , all four lies in this thread so far and the number continues to rise

Your lists are also dishonest. I did show how you claimed Israel's existence is why the Palestinians aren't the aggressors in reply to my claim that they are the aggressors, I did show you reasoning rocket fire, I did show you in a reply to CJ protesting against the operation against the terrorists in Gaza. So again, why should your claims be taken seriously when you're choosing the road of being dishonest? Shouldn't be taken seriously.

This adds by the way to you ignoring points that destroy your arguments time after time (at least 13 times) and at some point actually admitting to ignoring them on purpose (obviously recognizing they destroy your absurd position) claiming that you've been ignoring them for 10-12 pages of that thread because I didn't reply over something on the most recent page. (Just how laughable is that?)

You have actually admitted one of the straw men in the above insomuch that it was your introduction not mine

It's pathetic that you think you're fooling anyone.
Talking about Hamas, an Islamist terror group, and saying "Like ISIS, Hamas...", isn't an invitation to hijack discussion towards CT nonsense regarding Israel-Syria.
It's called moving the goalpost and it's done whenever your arguments get obliterated which is quite often.
Your insistence now to portray it as if mentioning the word ISIS, no matter how obvious it is that it remains in context as an example to support an argument regarding another Islamist terror group, means that what you did wasn't a diversion - is essentially the most pathetic approach you could think of. Ridiculous, again, who do you think you're fooling here?

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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Apocalypse said:
Your lists are also dishonest. I did show how you claimed Israel's existence is why the Palestinians aren't the aggressors in reply to my claim that they are the aggressors,

Now my lists are dishonest :roll:

Some news for you . That's not even on the list :lamo Did you get that ? It's not part of the list

Bizarre ! :shock:

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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Apocalypse said:
Your lists are also dishonest. ((.............)) I did show you reasoning rocket fire,

Reasoning..........................." the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way ". Yep I am definitely guilty of that. Attacks on and killing of Palestinians tend to coincide with increases in rocket fire. Who knew ? :roll:

But that's not really the issue here is it ? And the choice of wording is a giveaway

Remember your claim is that I say they are " legitimate " resistance ?

Is explaining , in a sensible and logical way , what the situation is with the rockets the same as claiming that they are a legitimate form of resistance ? Is it even remotely alike ? Nope , you have been outed for about the 100th time in this thread

So no you haven't but bizarrely insist that you have

Again bizarre behaviour :shock: :shock:

Apocalypse · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
Reasoning..........................." the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way ". Yep I am definitely guilty of that. Attacks on and killing of Palestinians tend to coincide with increases in rocket fire. Who knew ? :roll:

But that's not really the issue here is it ? And the choice of wording is a giveaway

Remember your claim is that I say they are " legitimate " resistance ?

Is explaining , in a sensible and logical way , what the situation is with the rockets the same as claiming that they are a legitimate form of resistance ? Is it even remotely alike ? Nope , you have been outed for about the 100th time in this thread

So no you haven't but bizarrely insist that you have

Again bizarre behaviour :shock: :shock:

Funny but I can actually tell how much you recognize that your claims were exposed as dishonest by the increasing amount of emoticons you're throwing.
The reasoning of acts of terrorism such as the launching of hundreds of rockets at civilians telling people "yeah if you don't want to be murdered stop with X, Y and Z" (X, Y and Z being means of defense against the rockets making it even more absurd) is a justification of such acts, absolutely. As to the reference to Israel existing as a reason why the Palestinian aggressors aren't aggressors that too was a statement you claimed strawman on so to divert from your arguments being destroyed logically.

I don't know if you thought that going the dishonest route and using empty lies was going to advance things for you, but it clearly didn't work and did not stand the trial of logic.

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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Apocalypse said:
Your lists are also dishonest....((,...........)) I did show you in a reply to CJ protesting against the operation against the terrorists in Gaza.

No you didn't. Stop lying and using those lies to troll. Show the post , give the number

What you are referring to is when I roasted him over claiming that attacks by Palestinian combatants on Israeli combatants are illegitimate but attacks by Israeli combatants on Palestinian combatants are legitimate. That was in no reality a " protest against that operation "................. that's your lie , you straw man that because you have played it so often now has magically morphed into truth

Again show the post , cite the text ? Noooooooo , because you are lying again

This mythomania is getting more bizaree by the minute :shock: :shock: :shock:

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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Apocalypse said:
Funny but I can actually tell how much you recognize that your claims were exposed as dishonest by the increasing amount of emoticons you're throwing.

The emoticons are there to show the bizarre nature of you still pushing your claims in the face of irrefutable evidence that completely destroys them. Instead of understanding that , you want to see them as endorsing a validity they have never had . It's psychotic

If this were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it long ago

It's only your pathological lying that is preventing you from seeing this obvious situation

Everyone else can see it , trust me on this. You are acting like a psychopath would and it's seriously bizarre.

The reasoning of acts of terrorism such as the launching of hundreds of rockets at civilians telling people "yeah if you don't want to be murdered stop with X, Y and Z" (X, Y and Z being means of defense against the rockets making it even more absurd) is a justification of such acts, absolutely. As to the reference to Israel existing as a reason why the Palestinian aggressors aren't aggressors that too was a statement you claimed strawman on so to divert from your arguments being destroyed logically.

I don't know if you thought that going the dishonest route and using empty lies was going to advance things for you, but it clearly didn't work and did not stand the trial of logic.

The emoticons are there to show the bizarre nature of you still pushing your claims in the face of irrefutable evidence that completely destroys them. Instead of understanding that , you want to see them as endorsing a validity they have never had . It's psychotic

If this were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it long ago

It's only your pathological lying that is preventing you from seeing this obvious situation

Everyone else can see it , trust me on this. You are acting like a psychopath would and it's seriously bizarre.

NO1 · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
I don't like or dislike the light

I am referring to Palestinians as victims of occupation and siege which is true seeing as they are

Wrong, you referred terrorists which stab to death random Jews as victims.

The thread was started with the view of exposing Israeli propaganda and has been successful in that aim

You are delusional, the op is a lie as I showed.

As for arming the Palestinians , including Hamas , well yep.

Guess what, you are a terror supporter by definition, you are no longer belong to the civilized world. These kind of views which supporting terror organizations such as Hamas, ISIS or Al-Qaeda has no room in the civilized world. You lost any right to talk about human rights, after all who will listen to a person who talks about human rights and at the same time supporting terror organization. Did I mention hypocrisy?

Your view is sickening and barbaric, you should do self-examination and figure out how you became so radical until you ending up supporting terror organization.

I think their cause of national liberation is just even if the means open to them are so limited as to see them resort to terrorism. Jews resorted to it to under the same circumstances remember ? The sad truth is that it does have an effect

Aside your attempt to derail the thread, I guess you also support to arm Al-Qaeda\ISIS so they have the means to fight US and other western countries instead of seeing them resort to terrorism… I really don’t know how you managed to form such ****ed up arguments.

Nope, it's a two way street and as such you don't get to be the only one whose views are up for debate
So are you denying this ?

You supported and defended the use of Palestinians as human shields by the IDF as part of a discussion on the " neighbourhood " policy claiming it only caused the death of one Palestinian

Another dodge, that’s embarrassing. I’ll ask again, where exactly I said that?

Self defence has been and continues used to defend some of the most egregious crimes in history .

And still Israel has the right to self-defense, just like any other country which attacked by terror organization.

Being confined to an area with civilians , as is the case with Gaza , is different than forcing them to open bags that you think might be booby trapped or stand in front of you to take the bullet. If you expect Hamas to take on the IDF by finding open ground in Gaza and lining up like ducks you are foolish in the extreme

It’s good you acknowledge the extensive use of human shield by Hamas,
but from some reason you’re defending it. Why would you defend Hamas terrorists which hiding behind civilians?

You support the targeted killings/extrajudicial killings of Palestinians involved in the resistance and/or anyone with any association to it. Just be consistent

Again, dodging. You are very consistent when it comes to that.
And of course, we should be careful when you say "resistance ".

Watch the 5 Broken Cameras thread and see what its like to live under occupation
You could have a long term ceasefire agreement with Hamas but you choose to kill them, besiege them and imprison them. Then you complain about the reaction to that

Israel left Gaza long ago and we all know what happened next, when Hamas took over and launch thousands rockets toward civilian population.
And of course I want to fight against Hamas terrorists after all it’s cruel terror organization.

So they can better defend themselves from Israeli attack for sure and maybe stop terrorist attacks on civilians because they can actually take on the IDF

You don't want to see them armed in such a way so you can carry on calling them terrorists and this delegitimize their moral and legal right to resist

It's obvious

:lamo:lamo
"and maybe stop terrorist attacks on civilians", even you don’t really believe the words which coming out of your keyboard.
And again to show how ****ed up your view is, if we follow your logic, you would also arm ISIS because maybe

lamo) just maybe they stop the terror attacks and the public executions. Ridiculous.

CJ 2.0 · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
Reasoning..........................." the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way ". Yep I am definitely guilty of that. Attacks on and killing of Palestinians tend to coincide with increases in rocket fire. Who knew ? :roll:

But that's not really the issue here is it ? And the choice of wording is a giveaway

Remember your claim is that I say they are " legitimate " resistance ?

Is explaining , in a sensible and logical way , what the situation is with the rockets the same as claiming that they are a legitimate form of resistance ? Is it even remotely alike ? Nope , you have been outed for about the 100th time in this thread

So no you haven't but bizarrely insist that you have

Again bizarre behaviour :shock: :shock:

I think the problem here is that you have fundamentally misjudged.

You believe that the Palestinians are fighting to occupation and this is "resistance". It's not They are fighting Israel's existence and have clearly said this time and time again and act ina way consistent with this aim. While you will latch onto empty statements they make denying this reality, that's just part of the misjudgment.

You believe Hamas is a "resistance" organization, which it isn't. It is a genocidal terrorist organization that is interested in conquering and holding territory (like ISIS). It is a religious fundamentalist organization (like ISIS). And it doesn't care at all about civilians on either side (like ISIS). But because you have misjudged them as a "resistance organization", you can't see this and get mad when people say that they are similar to ISIS.

Tying in with the last one, you believe Hamas as a "resistance organization" can be trusted. they can't. A "ceasefire" with them is meaningless unless that "ceasefire" is enforced by the threat of overwhelming force. And so that misjudgment causes you to ascribe malice to the Israeli unwillingness to enter into a "ceasefire" with Hamas where in reality it is that the Israelis have no reason to believe Hamas wouldn't use any period where it is insulated from the threat of force to gain strength and prepare for the next round of violence, which they would unleash whenever they felt like it.

There are lots more, from the "march of return" as a peaceful protest on down where this misjudgment has completely corrupted your perception. If I were to target the source of the incompatibility of your worldview with reality, this is where I would put it.

Apocalypse · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
What you are referring to is when I roasted him over claiming that attacks by Palestinian combatants on Israeli combatants are illegitimate but attacks by Israeli combatants on Palestinian combatants are legitimate. That was in no reality a " protest against that operation "................. that's your lie , you straw man that because you have played it so often now has magically morphed into truth

You didn't 'roast' anything, you made a foolish claim that because Israel had committed a raid against Islamist terrorists in Gaza it means CJ is being an hypocrite for being fine with that and not with Palestinian attacks in Israeli territory. That is without a doubt exactly what I rightfully called "protesting the raid against terrorists".

You're clearly under the false belief that if you'll maintain a lie and keep claiming that you're right even when it's not even a real discussion then things will change. Evidently that doesn't happen.

Apocalypse · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
The emoticons are there to show the bizarre nature of you still pushing your claims in the face of irrefutable evidence that completely destroys them. Instead of understanding that , you want to see them as endorsing a validity they have never had . It's psychotic

If this were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it long ago

It's only your pathological lying that is preventing you from seeing this obvious situation

Everyone else can see it , trust me on this. You are acting like a psychopath would and it's seriously bizarre.

Laughable personal attacks aside, I've been making the facts quite visible using simple logic, in a way that any objective person is able to tell immediately what I've been calling you out about and how right I am to do so. If you're able to cope with that or not is not something I care so much about.

NO1 · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
Not at all I don't recall you giving a single, solitary example of Hamas fighters exiting tunnels in Israel and attacking civilians.

Sure there's plenty of speculation and dodgy claims that some intent was found but nothing that a court would take seriously.

Even when they haven't been detected as entering by the IDF they have targeted IDF soldiers. That's why the term " ambush " is used. You see you don't get ambushed by people you know are there :roll: But hey , don't let such obviously damaging facts get in the way of a good propaganda story eh ? :lamo

If you want to continue we can start where we left off, I mean where you dodge due to inability to base your words, than I'll be glad to replay your BS.
From here -

NO1 said:
Your words about the time has nothing to do with the credibility of the source.

Hamas is terror group the members of this group are terrorists, you don’t see Hamas as such and that speak volume about your radical view.
Yea of course they could be IDF soldiers, which mean the IDF bombed 13 of his soldiers. Pathetic attempt to distort the truth,and I have reliable sources which support my words as I showed. So you got nothing here.

Hamas terrorists tried to get back to the tunnels and run away to Gaza after IDF forces discovered them, and again I have sources which support my words, you got nothing.

Lol, the Egyptian border. Another pathetic attempt to distort the truth, as the sources shows it was clearly in the Israel side, you can see the footage of the weapons of Hamas terrorists after the IDF stopped them.You got nothing.

The only thing we are witnessing is you poor attempt to distort the truth.

Yea we know, it were Hamas terrorists heavily armed.

The IDF had alerts about Hamas terrorists intentions to carry out terror attack using the tunnels, and as the video shows it turn out to be true.

Of course we know why.

It's mention in the sources I already shared.

Of course they are not attacking, the IDF caught them and prevented a massacre.

It appears to be an own goal by your side.

Indeed hilarious. Your poor attempt to distort the truth was pretty funny (Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and the things about the inicident took place at the Egyptian border :lamo:lamo ).
Now can you backup all that nonsense which coming out from your keyboard?

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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CJ 2.0 said:
I think the problem here is that you have fundamentally misjudged.

No , the problem is that you people wish to be dishonest in debates and I have highlighted the numerous times that that dishonesty has been displayed. You haven't really taken part since I asked you to back your claim that I was against the Israeli raid into Khan Younis that ended with a firefight with Hamas combatants like I thought it was illegitimate

How many times have I asked you to back your claims here and said failure to do so would only highlight your own dishonesty ?

Did you make any attempts to back them ? No you just go missing for a while like you have here

But you ridiculously think that I will just carry on discussing issues whilst refraining from pointing out these dishonest traits as and when you decide to reappear

So don't attempt to lecture me about any misjudgements. My judgements are just fine it's your dishonest approach that's the problem

So either back that claim or admit it wasn't true and then maybe I will respond to the rest of your post

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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NO1 said:
If you want to continue we can start where we left off, I mean where you dodge due to inability to base your words, than I'll be glad to replay your BS.
From here -

The IDF has been caught out lying so often that to even consider them as in anyway a reliable source is hilarious

You need to respond to what you replied to which was.................

I don't recall you giving a single, solitary example of Hamas fighters exiting tunnels in Israel and attacking civilians.

Sure there's plenty of speculation and dodgy claims that some intent was found but nothing that a court would take seriously.

Even when they haven't been detected as entering by the IDF they have targeted IDF soldiers. That's why the term " ambush " is used. You see you don't get ambushed by people you know are there But hey , don't let such obviously damaging facts get in the way of a good propaganda story eh ?

Prove that that footage you are hanging everything on was taken in Israeli territory and not, say , Gaza

The IDF have been found lying about tons of operational activities so you need to get a reliable source and not a different one that is filled with IDF /intelligence people like you did in the first article cited. Which as I said contained factual evidence that actually supported my case

You need comment on the fact that Hamas fighters have ambushed and attacked IDF soldiers evn when they haven't been detected

As I have repeatedly said you have a whole host of speculation from a source that has proven itself to be something of a pathological liar with a vested interest in distortion of the facts and nothing that would even remotely be worthy of being used in a court

oneworld2 · Nov 19, 2018

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NO1 said:
Another dodge, that’s embarrassing. I’ll ask again, where exactly I said that?

NO1 said:
"neighbor procedure" it's the name of this practice I didn’t choose the name.
How many Palestinians killed due to "neighbor procedure"?
The answer for that question will show you the purpose of this procedure which is capturing terrorists and not maximize the death toll of civilians like Hamas is doing. The assertion was that the terrorist inside the house won’t shoot his relatives when they will tell him to surrender. Anyway the Israeli Supreme Court outlawed this long ago at 2005, so I guess you can try to dig up something else. And you know this could never happen in Gaza because they don't have Supreme Court and they don't believe in such value.

post 26 and you also defend the use by Israelis of Palestinians as human shields in post 22

https://www.debatepolitics.com/isra...ders-confirms-slain-terrorist-employee-3.html

How " embarrassing " is it for you ? :roll:

CJ 2.0 · Nov 19, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
No , the problem is that you people wish to be dishonest in debates and I have highlighted the numerous times that that dishonesty has been displayed. You haven't really taken part since I asked you to back your claim that I was against the Israeli raid into Khan Younis that ended with a firefight with Hamas combatants like I thought it was illegitimate

You clearly think every Israeli action is illegitimate. You can say "I never said" and pretend you are objectively unbiased but it's rubbish and clear as day. You manage to oppose any and every Israeli effort to defend themselves while saying that the Hamas terrorist organization, whose aim is to conquer Israel and expel those Jews they don't murder, should be armed to better achieve their objective while pretending that you don't support Hamas murdering Jews because you are convinced that's not what they want to do with those weapons.

It is a game of manipulative falsehoods, some structural and some intended, designed to pretend that you are middle of the road but really are not. And as painful as it is to read through these soliloquies condemning the Jews for defending themselves the first time, I don't need to dig back through that nonsense to find places where your mask slipped (and to be sure we have found enough already).

How many times have I asked you to back your claims here and said failure to do so would only highlight your own dishonesty ?

I dunno. twice?

Did you make any attempts to back them ? No you just go missing for a while like you have here

Yeah. That's why I "went missing". Must be...

But you ridiculously think that I will just carry on discussing issues whilst refraining from pointing out these dishonest traits as and when you decide to reappear

nice dodge. I'm sorry but I see what you are trying to do here.

Your world view is based on a fiction, and you have misjudged both the Palestinians and their intentions. You don't want to deal with it so you fall back on the "I never said X" even though that is so obviously your position. It's painful to watch and I would be inclined to give it a pass if it wasn't so pernicious and wasn't so directed exclusively at the Israelis.

So don't attempt to lecture me about any misjudgements. My judgements are just fine it's your dishonest approach that's the problem

Ooooh. The I know you are but what am I argument. Oh how I've missed that.

I'll see your I know you are argument and raise you an I'm rubber and your glue with an are too times infinity.

And yes, I have considered the record here and my perception is that this fundamental misjudgment of Palestinian aspirations is what has allowed you and other western "pro-Palestinians" who are not motivated by Jew hatred (which if you will look carefully you will see is not what I'm saying is motivating you) to be so singulalrly wrong both in terms of allocating blame for the situation and in coming up with "solutions" (arm Hamas!) to fix it.

So either back that claim or admit it wasn't true and then maybe I will respond to the rest of your post

What wasn't true? You think it's ok for Israel to infiltrate into Gaza and kill Hamas people? I thought you don't believe targeted killings are ok? Or is this one fine because they didn't set out to kill Hamas people they just did anyways, even though in your view the Hamas people had a right to attack them and were just protecting their country?

It's very confusing when positions do not need to have any sort of consistency or coherence

NO1 · Nov 20, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
The IDF has been caught out lying so often that to even consider them as in anyway a reliable source is hilarious

You need to respond to what you replied to which was.................

Reminder, after the post I made you said -

oneworld2 said:
I will just let people make their own minds up about just how believable your claims are regarding that footage and would urge them to actually watch the video and bear in mind the questions I brought up about it

Which is a crystal clear evasion due to your inability to back up your poor arguments.

I don't recall you giving a single, solitary example of Hamas fighters exiting tunnels in Israel and attacking civilians.

Sure there's plenty of speculation and dodgy claims that some intent was found but nothing that a court would take seriously.

Even when they haven't been detected as entering by the IDF they have targeted IDF soldiers. That's why the term " ambush " is used. You see you don't get ambushed by people you know are there But hey , don't let such obviously damaging facts get in the way of a good propaganda story eh ?

Prove that that footage you are hanging everything on was taken in Israeli territory and not, say , Gaza

The IDF have been found lying about tons of operational activities so you need to get a reliable source and not a different one that is filled with IDF /intelligence people like you did in the first article cited. Which as I said contained factual evidence that actually supported my case

You need comment on the fact that Hamas fighters have ambushed and attacked IDF soldiers evn when they haven't been detected

As I have repeatedly said you have a whole host of speculation from a source that has proven itself to be something of a pathological liar with a vested interest in distortion of the facts and nothing that would even remotely be worthy of being used in a court

As I said if you want to continue we can start from the point you dodged as I showed.

NO1 · Nov 20, 2018

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oneworld2 said:
post 26 and you also defend the use by Israelis of Palestinians as human shields in post 22

https://www.debatepolitics.com/isra...ders-confirms-slain-terrorist-employee-3.html

How " embarrassing " is it for you ? :roll:

BS.
From the same thread-
you said -

oneworld2 said:
Your repeated attempts to justify the widespread use of Palestinians as human shields puts you in the very same category as the Hamas spokesman you cite in your bid to attack Hamas tactics. The irony of which is evidently lost on you but not on me

I responded -

NO1 said:
Wrong as usual.
I showed you that the intention of the IDF is very different from the one of Hamas, and as a proof only one Arab hurt even though the IDF used this practice hundreds of times during 2000-2005, unlike Hamas which causing the death of many civilians in Gaza. So as it seems you don’t really care about Arabs lives it just an excuse to bashing Israel.

You keep failing, that's probably embarrassing for you.

P.S. I did notice your dodge here.

oneworld2 · Nov 20, 2018

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NO1 said:
Reminder, after the post I made you said -

Which is a crystal clear evasion due to your inability to back up your poor arguments.

As I said if you want to continue we can start from the point you dodged as I showed.

I don't understand why you keep harping on about the " evidence " you claim supports your claims being worthy of anymore attention

I have given you the reasons why it would never stand up under even the merest scrutiny but you persist that it retains some respect. It doesn't because it was junk speculation from a terrible source

Start wherever you want and it will be the same result, terrible " evidence " is just that

oneworld2 · Nov 20, 2018

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NO1 said:
BS.
From the same thread-
you said -

I responded -

You keep failing, that's probably embarrassing for you.

P.S. I did notice your dodge here.

The only one BS is you

You asked where you had defended the use of people as human shields and I showed to you. There's no argument about it , you defended it because Israelis were the ones using Palestinians as human shields

You can cry all you want to but that's a slam dunk case of support for the use of civilians as human shields

oneworld2 · Nov 20, 2018

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CJ 2.0 said:
You clearly think every Israeli action is illegitimate. You can say "I never said" and pretend you are objectively unbiased but it's rubbish and clear as day. You manage to oppose any and every Israeli effort to defend themselves while saying that the Hamas terrorist organization, whose aim is to conquer Israel and expel those Jews they don't murder, should be armed to better achieve their objective while pretending that you don't support Hamas murdering Jews because you are convinced that's not what they want to do with those weapons.

Not at all I just add the proper context and applicable laws and conventions

The context is that the Palestinians have been resisting Zionist wishes to displace and dispossess them from the late 1800's when they complained to the Turkish overlords about Jewish immigration and Arab displacement. Over the years that dispossession and displacement has intensified until we see a situation of a one state reality ( everything controlled by Israel ) in the former Palestine with regional variations of how that plays out.

To class resistance to that process as " aggression " is to turn things upside down imo but that is the context that you wish to see everyone buying into. A false narrative that paints the victim as the perpetrator and the perpetrator as the victim

So when I say that Israel is defending itself as any state that has usurped the territory of another people has to defend itself , from the people it aims to crush that is an accurate assessment .

And just like there are legitimate forms of resistance to occupation open to the Palestinians and illegitimate ones, there are also legitimate forms of defence and illegitimate ones open to Israel

When the Palestinians use legitimate forms of resistance I do not condemn it because I recognize their right to resist. When they use illegitimate means I condemn them

When Israel uses legitimate means with which to defend itself I don't condemn it , when they use illegitimate means I condemn it

Can you claim the same ?

For instance , you have already pointed out that you believe attacks by Hamas combatants against occupying Israeli soldiers are illegitimate but attacks by IDF soldiers against Palestinian combatants are legitimate

I say combatants on combatants are legitimate and would only add that , on a personal level , I don't support extra judicial killings no matter which side carries them out. I know this seems like a contradiction but remember we are talking about legitimacy and not personal preferences. So while I don't say the extrajudicial killing is illegitimate I say that personally I am against them . It's a subtle difference granted but a difference nonetheless and is down to the obvious potential for abuse and the danger to innocent bystanders

If the Palestinians , for instance , had the capacity to target individual Israelis I don't think you would support their targeted assassinations of say Likud coalition members or associates on the grounds of alleged involvement in planned attacks against Palestinians .Recall too that one is the occupier and one is the occupied

Gina · Nov 21, 2018

Re: Terror Tunnels ?

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oneworld2 · Nov 21, 2018

Re: Terror Tunnels ?

Maybe a good time to get back to the OP content

35 pages in and the integrity of the position stated in the OP remains intact. Despite tons of speculation and eternally unverifiable footage of whatever there has been nothing offered to undermine it

The nearest we got ,imo , was Serenity's input which basically said that the very existence of the tunnels from Gaza is enough to strike terror into the Israelis living near the border. Fair point imo

The converse of that is the terror felt by Palestinians , and not just those living in Gaza , by the actions of the IDF/Israelis.

If the term " terror tunnel " is justified by the fear they engender in Israelis then we should be even handed in phrasing acts committed by Israelis that engender fear into Palestinians

Ask yourself have you ever heard the phrases........

IDF terror attack on Gaza

IDF terror attacks in the the West Bank

Israeli terror targeted assassinations

The terrorist blockade of Gaza

The terrorist occupation of the West Bank

Israelis aren't the only people terrorized by the actions of the other side

CJ 2.0 · Nov 21, 2018

Re: Terror Tunnels ?

oneworld2 said:
35 pages in and the integrity of the position stated in the OP remains intact

The Tunnels can be used for terrorism and have been intended to be used for terrorism. Israeli intelligence has confirmed interception of plans to use the tunnels for terrorism, although you choose not to view that as evidence (which suggests that nothing short of an actual failed attempt that "reaches the gates" so to speak or a successful terrorist attack would satisfy you (neither of which are permissible, obviously).

As the tunnels can be used for terrorism and were intended to be used for terrorism (and were built by a terrorist organization), describing them as "terror tunnels" is not even remotely inaccurate.

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