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    Re: Terror Tunnels ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Of course they are resisting. I might differ to their view but it's not my place to tell Palestinians what they can and cannot deem as being " occupied Palestinian territory ". They never signed the 4th Geneva Convention and Israel signed it but hasn't adhered to it.
    I love this. Seriously. So not only is it “not your place” to condemn, say, suicide bombings or rocket attacks against civilians (which is pathetic) but you also say they didn’t sogn the geneva conventions (which of course means that the conventions don’t apply to conflict with them where they do not adhere to them in practice (which of course you don’t judge cause who are you to say that murdering children isn’t legitimate resistance).

    The moral and logical incoherence of the Palestinians and their western sycophantic supporters perfectly encapsulated in a morally deprived and logically asinine position. Nicely done.




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    Terror Tunnels ?


    Point 1

    Actually it is legitimate if those same soldiers are attacking your people , besieging your people and/or militarily occupying your people.

    Point 2

    So long as Israel occupies Palestinian territory they have the right to resist it. Past conflicts don't count as a disqualifier

    And as previously mentioned it is the Zionist movement that was the initial " aggressor " in this conflict when it sought to oust the locals in order to create a state of its own in their territory



    Nope, because it is imo an attempt to change the subject
    Good so now at least you are being explicit. You support Palestinian terrorism (because who are you to judge) since Israel’s existence counts as “aggression” and Israeli efforts to defend their people are illegitimate.

    The entire position is morally abhorrent and really is just empty vacuous support for war crimes in the pursuit of crimes against humanity. And that seems to work for lefty marxists but I for one am very grateful that we have finally laid bare the moral depravation of the “pro palestinian” position.

    Have fun with your support for murdering innocent people, on purpose, to resist the national existence of the Jewish People. Just don’t think for a minute that you get to pretend you hold any sort of moral high ground.

    Thanks for playing.



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    Terror Tunnels ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Off topic/diversion no more , no less and a straw man to boot

    You must be getting tired of not being able to prove that attacks on the IDF by Palestinians are legitimate acts of resistance
    Lol. I’ve already showed that. You of course have not been able to show that the latest Hamas “resistance” isn’t just a continuous engagement in a series of war crimes, but you have decided to absolve yourself of needing to think about that cause “who are you to judge”.

    Like I said, all of this is now crystal clear, and thanks for playing. I am very comfortable with the record here.


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    Re: Terror Tunnels ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Your thesis is emphatically exploded by the settler issue. If the " ultimate defence " ( military occupation ) is what is/was required you wouldn't place hundreds of thousands of your citizens in amongst the very people you claim to be protecting them from. It's a complete no brainer that a child would see through .

    If you, as Israelis , had decided to build a huge barrier on the 67 borders and kept your own people on the Israeli side of it , instead of blowing all the money on illegal settlement building , you might have a leg to stand on. But the leaderships have systematically enticed/coerced hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens, over decades and decades , to live amongst the Palestinians in their territory

    Your reasoning and defence of the occupation is based on the alleged security concerns for Israeli citizens so the transfer of hundreds of thousands of them ,illegally , and into a hostile territory is very relevant . The only reason you wish to separate them is to try to hide the obvious and enormous contradiction in your claim

    As for propaganda , it is actually the inclusion of truths mixed with distortions/spin and added speculations ( usually intended to instil fear ) that are the essential ingredients of propaganda. So when you claim that " it isn't propaganda to be telling the truth " you are just plain wrong. I have shown how Israeli propaganda works/plays out wrt the tunnels into Israel and have been assisted in doing so by the very people who think they are countering it with links. Links that, the content of which , actually completely validate the claim I have made

    So on both your points , propaganda and me not " promoting a position " , you are wrong. The fact remains that when they attack IDF soldiers they are engaging in legitimate resistance and not terrorism ( the point of this thread. Some IDF combatants/Israelis have committed terrorist acts against Palestinians but it doesn't mean that the IDF/Israelis haven't also carried out legitimate acts of self defence

    Finally , as for who are the " aggressors " ................as I stated earlier , the Zionist immigrants from Europe were the initial aggressors due to their wish to oust the locals in order to carve out their own state on the territory. That's just the reality of the situation wrt how this conflict started. It is to deny that that is to deny the reality
    Again, that you reason the Palestinians being the aggressors here by going back to Israel's very establishment shows the wrongness and immorality of your position and why you lost the discussion before it even begun.
    The question is concerning present time who are the aggressors and who is the defending party and when one is asked this question he must always reply - Israel is the defending party, the Palestinians are the aggressors.

    And again, the settlements are a separate issue.
    The question is if the justified occupation provides security and the answer is yes, it does, and thus it is justified. Once security is provided then yes actions like creating the settlements became possible, but they are gaining the same security from the justified occupation of the aggressors by Israel that citizens in Israel do. It's not capable of denying the right to defense of citizens from Palestinian violence, that right exists and the occupation is justified. You can argue against the settlements separately, you cannot however claim that because of the settlements you think Israeli citizens have no right to defend themselves. It's not what you think the intention was in occupying a territory that is relevant, it is only what was the justification, and for the occupation of the West Bank and previously Gaza that was very much justified.

    Simply claiming that "a barrier would have been a good solution" is beyond ridiculous and absurd and completely empty of any logical reasoning to have a solution that doesn't really provide the ultimate defense to civilians just because you choose not to hold any concern for their lives. The occupation is a must as long as there is no alternative solution that can guarantee the security of the citizens on an equal or greater manner and frankly that is quite undeniable.

    As to the last part of your comment you for the fourth time now are missing the point; Hamas is a terror group. It, its members, those who support them - can all be destroyed legitimately for the nature of that group being murderers. ISIS are capable of "legitimate acts of violence" against Assad forces I guess - doesn't change anything and isn't a bit of relevant concerning what actions should be taken against them and what is their nature. Is that understandable enough?
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