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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Antizionism and antisemitism are not the same thing.
    I was speaking of antisemitism clearly. Even used the actual term.
    And you should really know how connected the two are seeing the process that the Labour movement in the UK went through and what became of it today, but that's a discussion for another time.
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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post

    First of all the BDS isn't just about boycotting or simply calling for Israel to respect Palestinian rights (which is something that always happened), the BDS movement she was a member of and promoted is an antisemitic movement.
    Thats a lie. The boycott movement only covers Isreal, not Jewish businesses in other parts of the world so it is not antisemitic. This false charge of racism to stifle free speech is pure Isreali propaganda.

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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The boycott movement only covers Isreal, not Jewish businesses in other parts of the world so it is not antisemitic. This false charge of racism to stifle free speech is pure Isreali propaganda.
    That is a lie. The BDS is targeting Israel's Jewish identity as said above. It also singles out Israel in the world as a target, not any regime that they would claim violates human rights, because it's the only Jewish state.

    Your claim of it being Israeli propaganda (while ironically you're dedicated to anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish propagnada) is increasingly shown as hysterical when noting the fact that they are considered antisemitic outside of Israel as well.

    Macron says BDS is antisemitic

    https://www.jpost.com/International/...semitic-490710

    German state office says BDS is anti-Semitic

    German state office says BDS is anti-Semitic - Israel National News
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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You couldn't be further away from the truth.

    First of all the BDS isn't just about boycotting or simply calling for Israel to respect Palestinian rights (which is something that always happened), the BDS movement she was a member of and promoted is an antisemitic movement. One of their major goals and declared agendas is to change Israel's character as Jewish. They target Israel's Jewish identity in a way that will end the current Israeli state and create another. That's not simply a protest against Israeli actions defending the lives of Israeli citizens, that is a "protest" agaisnt Israel's very existence.

    Secondly where did you get the idea from that she is not being allowed to leave the country? She appealed against the entry denial and as such she awaits the decision of the Israeli court on her issue. She's already claimed she denounces the antisemitic BDS movement, regardless she will probably not be allowed to enter due to her actual actions.

    This isn't Israel "hypocritically overreacting again". This is an entirely legitimate approach to the subject of the BDS and against its agenda carriers. Those who would find it unpleasent are those who wish to find it unpleasent to begin with. Comparisons with the USSR and Iran are beyond laughable.
    More hysteria and propaganda...

    So if what you are saying is true then why is the Hebrew University going so far as to request her entry and represent her? There are no claims of ties to violence or agendas designed to damage the government of Israel, yet Israel deploys the propaganda move as if they are.

    And of course Israel is overreacting, this is the behavior that damages Israel's image.

    The Supreme Court of Israel just recently ruled it is permissible for Israel to relocate Bedouin village of Khan al-Ahmar, and it is bound to cause issues along the border. Israel has enough to contend with from legitimate threats and terrorism. Yet, they decide to add to their own problems pulling this stunt with Lara Alqasem, putting the Hebrew University in the mix.

    Beyond stupid of Israel, they have far greater things to worry about.
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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    More hysteria...

    So if what you are saying is true then why is the Hebrew University going so far as to request her entry and represent her? There are no claims of ties to violence or agendas designed to damage the government of Israel, yet Israel deploys the propaganda move as if they are.

    And of course Israel is overreacting, this is the behavior that damages Israel's image.

    The Supreme Court of Israel just recently ruled it is permissible for Israel to relocate Bedouin village of Khan al-Ahmar, and it is bound to cause issues along the border. Israel has enough to contend with from legitimate threats and terrorism. Yet, they decide to add to their own problems pulling this stunt with Lara Alqasem, putting the Hebrew University in the mix.

    Beyond stupid of Israel, they have far greater things to worry about.
    More falsehoods.

    The Hebrew University (it's actually a specific person there) is irrelevant here. Their reasoning is their own and we'll need an entire thread discussing the Israeli left or far-left to explain their behavior. What is discussed here is whether or not it's a legitimate move. It is.

    You were actually shown in one of the earlier posts here how the UK had taken the same approach, I hardly believe you would go and compare them to the USSR like you felt required to do in Israel's case - and you're far from being the only one on this planet that singles out Israel for specially made standards. Israel doesn't merely have every right to do so, it should actually do so, it's a good thing that they do so, and that is really up to Israeli citizens to decide. It's not anti-democratic and not bad in any sort of way to deny access to non-nationals who work against the country. It isn't a strecth to point that those who would strongly oppose such move are likely to be ones who share such an agenda to begin with.

    You have made false claims here and once I called them out you didn't even bother referring to them or taking back your words.
    You claimed Israel holds her in the country and doesn't let her leave - that is simply made up. So what you claim as "beyond stupid", well, is just not very credible when based on something that isn't reality.
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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Israel has had more success defending Israel from terror attacks than Americans have been in defending America from terror attacks. Israel will stop a terrorist sympathizer from even entering the country. Good for Israel.

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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That is a lie. The BDS is targeting Israel's Jewish identity as said above. It also singles out Israel in the world as a target, not any regime that they would claim violates human rights, because it's the only Jewish state.

    Your claim of it being Israeli propaganda (while ironically you're dedicated to anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish propagnada) is increasingly shown as hysterical when noting the fact that they are considered antisemitic outside of Israel as well.

    Macron says BDS is antisemitic

    https://www.jpost.com/International/...semitic-490710

    German state office says BDS is anti-Semitic

    German state office says BDS is anti-Semitic - Israel National News
    Well I can post better links that claims the opposite:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-anti-semitic

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...-anti-semitic/

    It is clear that Isreal has defied international law and is a rogue state. Its claims of being a so-called liberal democracy are a sham. It is on par with the repressive regimes of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well I can post better links that claims the opposite:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-anti-semitic

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...-anti-semitic/

    It is clear that Isreal has defied international law and is a rogue state. Its claims of being a so-called liberal democracy are a sham. It is on par with the repressive regimes of Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    How exactly are those links "better"? By what standard?
    Looks like you felt you were exposed far too easily with the links I posted and hurried to search Google for... whatever nonsense that is. Sad.

    I don't think there's any meaning to what you're claiming here anyhow.
    I mean, it's not just how I destroyed your claims repeatedly using common sense and logic, that I always do.
    It's the mere fact that you were shown how the UK has the same policy and yet you were silent time after time about that early post in this propaganda thread.
    It's embarrassing how you choose to promote such antisemitic nonsense knowing fully well that it would be easily exposed as such.
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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There's nothing that forbids denying entry to people who work against the country's interests or very existence.
    That isn't lying in contrary to democratic values as you suggested earlier. It isn't an act against a person's freedom of expression either.
    That's something that would be said without understanding what democratic values actually are, something that would be said by those who do not follow these values to begin with.

    As to the individual, she promtoes BDS which is a an antisemitic campaign calling for Israel's destruction in more than one way.

    On a personal note I wouldn't want any non-citizen who expresses antisemitic and anti-Israeli radical views to gain access to the country, not for security reasons and not for the obvious reason that those servants of evil aren't welcomed by the people they work tirelessly to spread lies and hatred against.
    It's not about denying entry. They imprisoned her for a week after they granted her a visa knowing full well they would imprison her when they get here. I know you're the kind of horrible person that believes in imprisoning people who criticize Israel but thats a violation of basic human rights.

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    Re: Israel tells US student to renounce views or leave the country

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's not about denying entry. They imprisoned her for a week after they granted her a visa knowing full well they would imprison her when they get here. I know you're the kind of horrible person that believes in imprisoning people who criticize Israel but thats a violation of basic human rights.
    Denial of entry isn't the same as imprisoning.

    I didn't call for anyone's imprisoning nor does Israel "imprison" someone who refuses to leave the country.

    Your need for lies to maintain the false and hateful reality you created is obvious.
    I will consider your personal attack on my personality to be a compliment.
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