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US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’[W:39]

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-set-to-announce-it-rejects-palestinian-right-of-return-tv-report/
The Trump Administration will announce in the next few days that it rejects the long-standing Palestinian demand for a “right of return” for million of refugees and their descendants to Israel, an Israeli television report said Saturday night. The US will announce a policy that, “from its point of view, essentially cancels the ‘right of return,'” the report said.

The “right of return” is one of the key core issues of dispute in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians claim that five million people — tens of thousands of original refugees from what is today’s Israel, and their millions of descendants — have a “right of return.” Israel rejects the demand, saying that it represents a bid by the Palestinians to destroy Israel by weight of numbers. Israel’s population is almost nine million, some three-quarters of whom are Jewish. An influx of millions would mean Israel could no longer be a Jewish-majority state.

I really hope that's true, it's about time the PA and other will stop using the "refugees" as political tool.
 
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I agree.

This will be a big step forward for peace if we can get rid of the idea that a right of return will ever happen. Because it won't. It's time for those who oppose Israel to wise up.

And Trump cutting tha aid for UNRWA is also good step in that direction. It's about time they stop with their nonsense about right to return, because it not going to happen.
 
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Let’s hope it’s true. Reality-based dealings are our only hope and a welcome change from the last 70 years.


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And if take one step back, the Palestinian "refugees" is a special case, in all other refugee cases, the status of refugee is reserved only for the refugee himself, but the Palestinians ‘inherit’ this status, this is why there are milions of "refugees". So before we discuss the right to return we need to ask how the amount of "refugees" jumped to milions.
 
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And if take one step back, the Palestinian "refugees" is a special case, in all other refugee cases, the status of refugee is reserved only for the refugee himself, but the Palestinians ‘inherit’ this status, this is why there are milions of "refugees". So before we discuss the right to return we need to ask how the amount of "refugees" jumped to milions.


Here in real life we also don’t have “refugees” who are citizens of other countries. Once you become a Canadian citizen or a Jordanian citizen or whatever you are no longer a refugee, and certainly your kids and grandkids who are also citizens are not refugees.

As for the kids and grandkids denied citizenship in various countries they were born in because of ancestry, and then denied all different sorts of rights to mobility and education and employment, well that’s the actual definition of “apartheid”, isn’t it? Strange that the “pro-palestinians” don’t really pay much attention to that sort of thing (or say the expulsion of a hundred thousand people from Kuwait because their parents lived in Palestine for a few years).




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Re: US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

I too don't think the illusion of a right to return for Palestinians in the diaspora is worthy of support.

Not because I don't think people who flee or are expelled from an area during a conflict should not have the right to return to their homes , I think they do but because it is never going to happen and to keep on with the delusion is cruel and completely unrealistic anyhow

So if that were ever to be negated ( given up by the Palestinian negotiators for example with financial recompense offered in return ) it brings us to the subject of the illegal Israeli settler population in the WB , including East Jerusalem.

If the Palestinians don't or shouldn't have the right to return to Israel because of the grave threat it poses to the viability of the Israeli state then people should be gracious enough to admit that the settlers should be returned to the Israeli side of the border due to the threat to the viability of any nascent Palestinian state they pose

Two long standing sticking points with a huge concession made by both sides , way to move forward imho

BTW the OP article was inaccurate by claiming that " tens of thousands " of Palestinians were forced or fled Palestine/Israel in 1948.............. it was actually hundreds of thousands with most estimates being between 700 ,000 and 800,000 with around 300,000 more forced out in 1967 IIRC
 
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Of course, can't allow Palestinian untermensch in Israeli lebensraum. Israel belongs to the Jewish herrenvolk.
 
Re: US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

I too don't think the illusion of a right to return for Palestinians in the diaspora is worthy of support.

Not because I don't think people who flee or are expelled from an area during a conflict should not have the right to return to their homes , I think they do but because it is never going to happen and to keep on with the delusion is cruel and completely unrealistic anyhow

So if that were ever to be negated ( given up by the Palestinian negotiators for example with financial recompense offered in return ) it brings us to the subject of the illegal Israeli settler population in the WB , including East Jerusalem.

If the Palestinians don't or shouldn't have the right to return to Israel because of the grave threat it poses to the viability of the Israeli state then people should be gracious enough to admit that the settlers should be returned to the Israeli side of the border due to the threat to the viability of any nascent Palestinian state they pose

Two long standing sticking points with a huge concession made by both sides , way to move forward imho

BTW the OP article was inaccurate by claiming that " tens of thousands " of Palestinians were forced or fled Palestine/Israel in 1948.............. it was actually hundreds of thousands with most estimates being between 700 ,000 and 800,000 with around 300,000 more forced out in 1967 IIRC

1. There is no border. The Arabs made sure there wasn’t. So there is no “Palestinian side of the border” to retreat from. As long as the Israelis did not encroach on Palestinian population centres (which, if you have seen the area, isn’t particularly hard), I don’t really see much of an issue. As for Jerusalem, the status quo works pretty well and there is no reason to change it, particularly since none of it was Palestinian before given equal application of the typical anti-Israel position on West Jerusalem.

2. There is no impact of Israeli communities on the seam line or Jordan valley on the viability of a Palestinian state. That is a complete fiction.

3. There is a word for a policy involving the mass expulsion of people from their communities.


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Of course, can't allow Palestinian untermensch in Israeli lebensraum. Israel belongs to the Jewish herrenvolk.

Says the side who advocates the mass expulsion of Jews to create an entirely Jew-free Palestine while Israel has over a million Arab citizens.

That whole Corbyn-zionist-irony thing seems to be coming back to bite the anti-zionists in more way than one now, doesn’t it?


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Re: US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

I agree.

This will be a big step forward for peace if we can get rid of the idea that a right of return will ever happen. Because it won't. It's time for those who oppose Israel to wise up.

Please help me out here. As I understand it, a Jew anywhere in the world can go to Israel and live there, even if his ancestors going back hundreds of years have never seen it, but a Palestinian who might have been born there cannot? Is that correct? It seems to me that given the history of horrific persecution of Jews over centuries that former principle makes sense. But what doesn’t make sense is denying a similar right to Palestinians.
 
Re: US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

Says the side who advocates the mass expulsion of Jews to create an entirely Jew-free Palestine while Israel has over a million Arab citizens.

That whole Corbyn-zionist-irony thing seems to be coming back to bite the anti-zionists in more way than one now, doesn’t it?


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I'm not pro-Palestinian. I just think ethnostates are a terrible, fascistic, illiberal idea (much like Islamic theocracies). Building a state around the concept of a ethnic identity, expanding settlements into occupied land and denying rights to the original occupants was literally what the Nazis did.
 
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Please help me out here. As I understand it, a Jew anywhere in the world can go to Israel and live there, even if his ancestors going back hundreds of years have never seen it, but a Palestinian who might have been born there cannot? Is that correct? It seems to me that given the history of horrific persecution of Jews over centuries that former principle makes sense. But what doesn’t make sense is denying a similar right to Palestinians.

Cause it is for the Jews. The Palestinians, being Arabs, for the most part, have lots of other countries. They can do without having the Jews’ too.

If they ever accept Israel’s existence and agree to peace they can also settle in Palestinian towns in the west bank and gaza. Again no need to take Israel from the Jews.


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Cause it is for the Jews. The Palestinians, being Arabs, for the most part, have lots of other countries. They can do without having the Jews’ too.

If they ever accept Israel’s existence and agree to peace they can also settle in Palestinian towns in the west bank and gaza. Again no need to take Israel from the Jews.


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ya hate that kind of racism sorry israel was a mistake created with the influence of outside powers the jewish people should be free to live there in peace with the same rights as any one else they should not be able to banish other people who lived there and their descendants in a nation built for the benefit of ther own ethnic group

and the united states gains nothing from assisting with such despicable evil
 
US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

ya hate that kind of racism sorry israel was a mistake created with the influence of outside powers the jewish people should be free to live there in peace with the same rights as any one else they should not be able to banish other people who lived there and their descendants in a nation built for the benefit of ther own ethnic group

and the united states gains nothing from assisting with such despicable evil

Lol. Sorry chief. Israel was made by Jews who had enough of folks like you feeling like you get to decide what’s best for them. They banished no one but themselves were banished from Europe and elsewhere in the middle east and settled in their homeland.

I know it irks the antisemites that the Jews don’t have to take their crap anymore but that only makes it sweeter.

In incidentally, the mistake was allowing the Palestinians to be weaponized and segregated into a unique refugee group to be kept stateless and separate in the various arab countries to be used as a tool to attack the Jews. If they had been treated like the hundreds of millions of other refugees from the 1940s and 50s (including all the Jews from Europe and he middle east) they wouldn’t be in the position they are in today, living in apartheid conditions in “refugee camps” in Arab countries (where for many of them their ancestors had moved to Palestine only a few years before).

Again though, love that the antisemites get so worked up about the Jews not having to beg them for anything. It feels sooooo goood.


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Lol. Sorry chief. Israel was made by Jews who had enough of folks like you feeling like you get to decide what’s best for them. They banished no one but themselves were banished from Europe and elsewhere in the middle east and settled in their homeland.

I know it irks the antisemites that the Jews don’t have to take their crap anymore but that only makes it sweeter.

In incidentally, the mistake was allowing the Palestinians to be weaponized and segregated into a unique refugee group to be kept stateless and separate in the various arab countries to be used as a tool to attack the Jews. If they had been treated like the hundreds of millions of other refugees from the 1940s and 50s (including all the Jews from Europe and he middle east) they wouldn’t be in the position they are in today, living in apartheid conditions in “refugee camps” in Arab countries (where for many of them their ancestors had moved to Palestine only a few years before).

Again though, love that the antisemites get so worked up about the Jews not having to beg them for anything. It feels sooooo goood.


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so palestine was a self governing territory that agreed to take in all the jewish people?

and israel did not refuse to let palestinians back to their homes after war?

israel dosent set itself up as a jewish state ?

isrial dosent have different immigration rules for people based on race

how is attacking racism on the part of some jews anti semitic in any way?
 
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so palestine was a self governing territory that agreed to take in all the jewish people?

and israel did not refuse to let palestinians back to their homes after war?

israel dosent set itself up as a jewish state ?

isrial dosent have different immigration rules for people based on race

how is attacking racism on the part of some jews anti semitic in any way?

Lol. Ok

1. “Palestine”, following the loss of that territory by the Ottoman Empire, was a largely unpopulated backwater that was put into a “mandate” by the League of Nations as a “Jewish National Home” to “facilitate close settlement of the land” by the Jews. It was in effect put in trust by the international community for the Jews. So no it was never a self-governing territory until 1948. And that goes back to the Roman conquest, except (very arguably) for some brief periods when the crusaders were autonomously in control.

2. Yes of course Israel didn’t. And the Jordanians refused to allow any Jews into their homes in the Old City and the various Arab states over the next 10ish years forced out 750,000+ Jews And never let them return (or take any of their property). But unlike the Arab world, Israel didn’t dispossess the people who loved there for the duration of hostilities and is the only true multicultural multireligious country in the region.

Now you do India-Pakistan....

3. Of course it does. Which is great. Israel is the single solitary state where various refugee populations, persecuted for millennia culminating in open genocide, banded together to collectively determine their own destiny and defend themselves. There are few if any states that have more justification for their existence or more legitimacy in their mission and purpose.

4. Antisemites going to antisemite. We can pretend antisemitism is antiracism all we like but again, reality is what it is.

Now do Japan.


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So people born in America will have the right to "return" to a place where the people who are actually born there do not. That'll help.
 
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Lol. Ok

1. “Palestine”, following the loss of that territory by the Ottoman Empire, was a largely unpopulated backwater that was put into a “mandate” by the League of Nations as a “Jewish National Home” to “facilitate close settlement of the land” by the Jews. It was in effect put in trust by the international community for the Jews. So no it was never a self-governing territory until 1948. And that goes back to the Roman conquest, except (very arguably) for some brief periods when the crusaders were autonomously in control.

2. Yes of course Israel didn’t. And the Jordanians refused to allow any Jews into their homes in the Old City and the various Arab states over the next 10ish years forced out 750,000+ Jews And never let them return (or take any of their property). But unlike the Arab world, Israel didn’t dispossess the people who loved there for the duration of hostilities and is the only true multicultural multireligious country in the region.

Now you do India-Pakistan....

3. Of course it does. Which is great. Israel is the single solitary state where various refugee populations, persecuted for millennia culminating in open genocide, banded together to collectively determine their own destiny and defend themselves. There are few if any states that have more justification for their existence or more legitimacy in their mission and purpose.

4. Antisemites going to antisemite. We can pretend antisemitism is antiracism all we like but again, reality is what it is.

Now do Japan.


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so the local population did not have a say

so israel is racist and inot ethnic cleansing but that's ok because they do it less

im all for right to return for jews kicked out of other nations

and the racists policies of israel are god because of past racism makes no sense

yes anti semites are going to be antiemetic and that's racist but how am i being anti semitic by defending semitic people from other semitic people?
 
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So people born in America will have the right to "return" to a place where the people who are actually born there do not. That'll help.

hey if the native americans ever keep me out of my home after i flee a war and get the backing of other nations that's fine if caucasian majority nations will take me in because native americans used to live hear

if you disagree you are being a racist to native americans
 
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so the local population did not have a say

so israel is racist and inot ethnic cleansing but that's ok because they do it less

im all for right to return for jews kicked out of other nations

and the racists policies of israel are god because of past racism makes no sense

yes anti semites are going to be antiemetic and that's racist but how am i being anti semitic by defending semitic people from other semitic people?

So the local population could have stayed put but didn’t. So most of tue areas the Jews settled were away from the local populations. So the local population and their brethren armies tried to massacre all the Jews and failed. Shucks.

Israel os neither racist or into ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians and Arab world generally on the other hand, well you would need to be interested in facts to get to the bottom of that one.

And you can be all for whatever you want. The Jews got their own state now so don’t need to go back to live at the sufferance of the shia in Bhagdad or the sunni in Libya. But appreciate your help...

And quick tip. The volume of times you say racism doesn’t have any impact on whether things are actually racist or not.

Nor does your position matter to the Jews who now have the right to protect themselves and determine their own futures.

Maybe find another conflict to meddle in that doesn’t involve fixating on how Jews are “racist” for wanting to protect themselves in their own country?


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So the local population could have stayed put but didn’t. So most of tue areas the Jews settled were away from the local populations. So the local population and their brethren armies tried to massacre all the Jews and failed. Shucks.

Israel os neither racist or into ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians and Arab world generally on the other hand, well you would need to be interested in facts to get to the bottom of that one.

And you can be all for whatever you want. The Jews got their own state now so don’t need to go back to live at the sufferance of the shia in Bhagdad or the sunni in Libya. But appreciate your help...

And quick tip. The volume of times you say racism doesn’t have any impact on whether things are actually racist or not.

Nor does your position matter to the Jews who now have the right to protect themselves and determine their own futures.

Maybe find another conflict to meddle in that doesn’t involve fixating on how Jews are “racist” for wanting to protect themselves in their own country?


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id like to stop meddling in the conflict by having my country stop supporting 1 side

when you build state for one people and let them come from all over the world while baring the return of refugees yes your racist and into ethnic cleansing
 
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Denying that the right to return exists is a guarantee that there will never be peace between Israel and Palestine. It's my impression that the current Israeli administration is good with that. A US acceptance of that is a guarantee that they will never be able to be involved in peace negotiations, should both sides be inclined one day to resume such.
 
US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’

id like to stop meddling in the conflict by having my country stop supporting 1 side

when you build state for one people and let them come from all over the world while baring the return of refugees yes your racist and into ethnic cleansing

See you on the picket lines in Pakistan I guess... or maybe the Sudetenlnd? Or do those not matter since neither side are Jews?

Jews are done seeking approval from folks like you. Sorry bout that.


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