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Slain terror victim was planning romantic dinner for his wife when stabbed [W: 143]

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oneworld2 said:
The killings on both sides are a real tragedy in and of themselves and they also serve to maintain the hostility between the two sides .

I'm sure that some Arabs will urge youngsters to commit acts of terrorism against the citizens of the occupying nation but I also feel that it is the occupation and illegal settlement ,with all that that entails, that is the main motor for hostilities. Address that with a just resolution and start to build bridges , however difficult the task , and hope for a brighter future with less of these sorts of attacks.
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Nothing can't justify terror attacks like that.

The mayor of the village actually condemned the attack and was surprised that this " shy " youth had been the perpetrator. The IDF have since raided the village and looks like they plan to demolish the family home of the attacker.
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I bet the mayor was "surprised" at the first time also. He has nothing to be surprised when they educate young minds to kill Jews
The IDF won't do nothing. Maybe they will block one room but of course it will take a month or so until it will happend.
 
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The frustrating thing is that the pro Palestinians will now add one more "child" to the victims of Israeli occupation
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yes, it’s increasingly clear that you think any criticism of Israel at all is “hypocritical”. That attitude is the reason why blind support in Israel is rapidly disappearing in the United States. As usual, your persecution fantasies and your total inability to face the fact that killing Palestinian noncombatants is wrong is very telling. Yes, deliberately shooting Palestinian noncombatants is morally equivalent to Palestinian terrorists killing Israelis. Once again, America is condemned whenever we kill noncombatants......but we don’t spend all our time inventing reasons why killing noncombatants is no big deal, like you apparently do.

But shooting noncombatants doesn’t “defend” anyone—-and you trying to use that as a justification is absolutely pathetic. It is clear persecution fantasies are alive and well.

Except you routinely invent excuses justifying the killing of civilians, so clearly your argument is extremely lame.

Except again, there are no “accidents” involved.

The rest of your post is just you spewing your fury that anyone would care about Palestinean civilians being killed, making false equivalences with the US. But I suppose it’s not surprising that you decided Palestinians were subhuman and the deaths of civilians didn’t matter years ago.
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Tell us more about how you find 9/11 to be the same thing as an American soldier bombing a house in Afghanistan targeting terrorists and causing civilians to die.
This isn't merely
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yes, it’s increasingly clear that you think any criticism of Israel at all is “hypocritical”. That attitude is the reason why blind support in Israel is rapidly disappearing in the United States. As usual, your persecution fantasies and your total inability to face the fact that killing Palestinian noncombatants is wrong is very telling. Yes, deliberately shooting Palestinian noncombatants is morally equivalent to Palestinian terrorists killing Israelis. Once again, America is condemned whenever we kill noncombatants......but we don’t spend all our time inventing reasons why killing noncombatants is no big deal, like you apparently do.

But shooting noncombatants doesn’t “defend” anyone—-and you trying to use that as a justification is absolutely pathetic. It is clear persecution fantasies are alive and well.

Except you routinely invent excuses justifying the killing of civilians, so clearly your argument is extremely lame.

Except again, there are no “accidents” involved.

The rest of your post is just you spewing your fury that anyone would care about Palestinean civilians being killed, making false equivalences with the US. But I suppose it’s not surprising that you decided Palestinians were subhuman and the deaths of civilians didn’t matter years ago.
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Tell us more about how you find American soldiers who bombed houses in Afghanistan targeting terrorists yet causing civilian deaths to be the same as the terrorists behind 9/11.

Your racism-generated hypocrisy was exposed, carry on.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Tell us more about how you find 9/11 to be the same thing as an American soldier bombing a house in Afghanistan targeting terrorists and causing civilians to die.
This isn't merely
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Gee, tell us more about how upset you are that people criticize Israel over deliberately blowing away noncombatants.

Palestinean medics are not "terrorists". Neither was that Palestinian journalist.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Tell us more about how you find American soldiers who bombed houses in Afghanistan targeting terrorists yet causing civilian deaths to be the same as the terrorists behind 9/11.

Your racism-generated hypocrisy was exposed, carry on.
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Your delusions about how anyone criticizing Israel in any way, shape or form "hates Jews" have been throughly exposed.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Gee, tell us more about how upset you are that people criticize Israel over deliberately blowing away noncombatants.

Palestinean medics are not "terrorists". Neither was that Palestinian journalist.
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It's more the blood libel that generates the anger, since what you are claiming is a purposeful falsehood. Folks in active fire zones face risks of being hit even if they are not combatants themselves. The leap of logic from one getting hit to the State of Israel purposefully and deliberately targeting them is nothing short of blood libel.

And it is beyond rich coming from those supporting the side that has ALWAYS targeted civilians for murder at every opportunity. It's just a massive case of projection to cover the moral bankruptcy of their position.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
It's more the blood libel that generates the anger, since what you are claiming is a purposeful falsehood. Folks in active fire zones face risks of being hit even if they are not combatants themselves. The leap of logic from one getting hit to the State of Israel purposefully and deliberately targeting them is nothing short of blood libel.

And it is beyond rich coming from those supporting the side that has ALWAYS targeted civilians for murder at every opportunity. It's just a massive case of projection to cover the moral bankruptcy of their position.
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Nope, there's no "blood libel" involved. I have seen Israelis routinely make excuses for the killings of innocents.

Gee, that's funny. If you really think a protest is a "active fire zone" where shooting medical personnel and journalists is a-ok, it's no wonder it keeps happening.

The "leap" comes from the fact that Israelis keep to be pathologically incapable of even admitting that shooting those noncombatants was wrong in the first place.

Oh really? Where, exactly, did I say I supported Hamas? Or Hezbollah? Please be very specific. If you really think that criticizing Israel for killing noncombatants and then making up excuses to justify it makes you a Hezbollah supporter.....then, again, no wonder it keeps happening.
 
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NO1 said:
Nothing can't justify terror attacks like that.
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It's not a case of " justification " it's a case of trying to understand why people carry out such actions. There are reasons why people do stuff like this , right ? To explore these reasons doesn't justify the act itself but does help us , hopefully , to try to come up with solutions aimed at putting an end to or at least reducing the likelihood of these events being repeated. You know this already , I think

I bet the mayor was "surprised" at the first time also. He has nothing to be surprised when they educate young minds to kill Jews
The IDF won't do nothing. Maybe they will block one room but of course it will take a month or so until it will happend.
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So what you are really saying is that you don't believe the mayors comments were genuine and/or he has played his part in the situation that led this man to do what he did ? It's just what they do kind of thing ? Couldn't possibly be influenced by Israeli policies WRT the Palestinians ?

For what it's worth I think Israeli policies towards the Palestinians are key to any inquiry as to why horrible things like this are happening. Ignoring this as a factor only serves to ensure the continuation of these types of crimes imo

Apparently the IDF demolished the home of the family of which the other attacked was a member. They have allegedly measured up the house of the family from which this latest terrrorist hailed , so I don't think it foolish to believe the same thing may happen
 
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ido_ said:
The frustrating thing is that the pro Palestinians will now add one more "child" to the victims of Israeli occupation
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Is there not an argument to say that this would be a true assessment ?

IE........... Would he have chosen to attack Israeli settlers if they were not illegally occupying his home patch with all that that entails for the Palestinians living there ?

I see no issue with adding the death of this Israeli man to the list of Israelis killed in terror attacks carried out by Palestinians and would say that , while I don't endorse the actions of this Palestinian youth , he too is a victim of the conflict. No ?
 
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oneworld2 said:
Is there not an argument to say that this would be a true assessment ?

IE........... Would he have chosen to attack Israeli settlers if they were not illegally occupying his home patch with all that that entails for the Palestinians living there ?

I see no issue with adding the death of this Israeli man to the list of Israelis killed in terror attacks carried out by Palestinians and would say that , while I don't endorse the actions of this Palestinian youth , he too is a victim of the conflict. No ?
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Yes, blame the victims. The Jews FORCED the Arabs to try to murder them, because the Jews had the audacity to successfully defend themselves the last time the Arabs tried to murder them. If the Jews had just been unsuccessful in the past or stop trying now, Arab children would no longer be killed trying to murder Jews.

#propalestinianlogic?
 
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oneworld2 said:
It's not a case of " justification " it's a case of trying to understand why people carry out such actions. There are reasons why people do stuff like this , right ? To explore these reasons doesn't justify the act itself but does help us , hopefully , to try to come up with solutions aimed at putting an end to or at least reducing the likelihood of these events being repeated. You know this already , I think
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What are the reasons for 17 years old to stab to death random people which he never met before? (As if there is any reason to murder innocents lives, it's seems you trying to put the terrorist in different light even though he was terrorist)


So what you are really saying is that you don't believe the mayors comments were genuine and/or he has played his part in the situation that led this man to do what he did ? It's just what they do kind of thing ? Couldn't possibly be influenced by Israeli policies WRT the Palestinians
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Of course I don't believe the mayor, he can play the dumb but he knows very well the hate for Jews and the IDF in his village. And when you teaching young minds to be Shaheed and tell them that is a good thing, this is the result.

For what it's worth I think Israeli policies towards the Palestinians are key to any inquiry as to why horrible things like this are happening. Ignoring this as a factor only serves to ensure the continuation of these types of crimes imo

Apparently the IDF demolished the home of the family of which the other attacked was a member. They have allegedly measured up the house of the family from which this latest terrrorist hailed , so I don't think it foolish to believe the same thing may happen
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Again you diverting the blame from the terrorist, why is that? Instead of asking how these village rasing terrorists, you want to focus on the Israeli side which "cause" that, why is that?

The IDF "demolishing" policy is ridicoulos. First they have to wait months until the court gives the ok or not, and if so they block room or two, and of course couple weeks afterwards the family already rebuild the rooms and more than that.
 
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oneworld2 said:
Is there not an argument to say that this would be a true assessment ?

IE........... Would he have chosen to attack Israeli settlers if they were not illegally occupying his home patch with all that that entails for the Palestinians living there ?

I see no issue with adding the death of this Israeli man to the list of Israelis killed in terror attacks carried out by Palestinians and would say that , while I don't endorse the actions of this Palestinian youth , he too is a victim of the conflict. No ?
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Of course he is, and also, women who dress with mini skirts are whores so they can't complain about sexual harassment
 
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oneworld2 said:
I see no issue with adding the death of this Israeli man to the list of Israelis killed in terror attacks carried out by Palestinians and would say that , while I don't endorse the actions of this Palestinian youth , he too is a victim of the conflict. No ?
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Ridiculous.
Would you say Stephen Paddock is a victim too?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Your delusions about how anyone criticizing Israel in any way, shape or form "hates Jews" have been throughly exposed.
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How do you call it when someone says one thing about non-Jews and another about Jews when it's exactly the same thing?
Beyond the obvious hypocrisy, it's outright racism.

Unless you want to take back your horrible comparison, or else unless you want to make a similar comparison between an American soldier defending his country targeting terrorists in Afghanistan causing civilians there to die and the vile terrorirsts behind 9/11, that's just a sad engagement in racism and it needs to be called out by moral people of all sides of the political spectrum.
 
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NO1 said:
What are the reasons for 17 years old to stab to death random people which he never met before? (As if there is any reason to murder innocents lives, it's seems you trying to put the terrorist in different light even though he was terrorist)
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Without knowing the man himself and hearing his reasoning we can only guess but I think it reasonable to assume the situation in the WB between the illegal settlers and the locals will have had some influence , maybe it was the sole reason , who knows. You seem to be fearful that Israeli policies towards the Palestinian might have been a big factor in why he did what he did and evidently have no wish to discuss the possibility or the policies themselves. Not really a surprise


Of course I don't believe the mayor, he can play the dumb but he knows very well the hate for Jews and the IDF in his village. And when you teaching young minds to be Shaheed and tell them that is a good thing, this is the result.
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Do you really need to teach people living under a brutal and repressive military occupation to hate those that violate them on a daily basis ? I know you want us to believe that it is all the fault of the Arabs and that the illegal occupation and the repression/violations that go with it but never the wishes of Israeli leaderships and some of the population in prosecuting those policies. So sure blame some of the Arabs but while you are at it blame some Israelis for the policy decisions surrounding the ongoing occupation and illegal settlement of Palestinian territories

Again you diverting the blame from the terrorist, why is that? Instead of asking how these village rasing terrorists, you want to focus on the Israeli side which "cause" that, why is that?
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Because of its relevance

The IDF "demolishing" policy is ridicoulos. First they have to wait months until the court gives the ok or not, and if so they block room or two, and of course couple weeks afterwards the family already rebuild the rooms and more than that.
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It's not ridiculous , it's collective punishment and as such a crime in itself
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Yes, blame the victims. The Jews FORCED the Arabs to try to murder them, because the Jews had the audacity to successfully defend themselves the last time the Arabs tried to murder them. If the Jews had just been unsuccessful in the past or stop trying now, Arab children would no longer be killed trying to murder Jews.

#propalestinianlogic?
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You really need to move on from this perpetual victim status nonsense imo................ it's the same record over and over , Jews cannot be perpetrators of crimes or harbingers of hate , that is the domain of all the rest of humanity. I get the sentiment , really I do , I just flat out reject it
 
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NO1 said:
Ridiculous.
Would you say Stephen Paddock is a victim too?
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AFAIK this man hadn't lived under a foreign military occupation that brutally represses and violates his and all his countrymen and womens rights every day of their lives. So no , the two are not the same and it was ridiculous that you thought the two worthy of comparison imo.
 
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ido_ said:
Of course he is, and also, women who dress with mini skirts are whores so they can't complain about sexual harassment
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You really need to be more clear as to who and what you are referring to in other peoples posts ..............

Imo they are probably both victims of this ongoing conflict.

The Israeli man killed as the victim of a terrorist attack and the Palestinian youth that killed him.

Do I really have to break this down further for you ?
 
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Apocalypse said:
How do you call it when someone says one thing about non-Jews and another about Jews when it's exactly the same thing?
Beyond the obvious hypocrisy, it's outright racism.

Unless you want to take back your horrible comparison, or else unless you want to make a similar comparison between an American soldier defending his country targeting terrorists in Afghanistan causing civilians there to die and the vile terrorirsts behind 9/11, that's just a sad engagement in racism and it needs to be called out by moral people of all sides of the political spectrum.
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What do you call it when someone trying to screech "racism" when the only relevant factor is that one group is willing to invent any excuse under the sun to justify the killings of innocent people and the other doesn't? You call it a diversion designed to deflect all criticism and let the aforementioned group totally avoid having to face the real world. And that's all your "everyone hates the Jews" fantasy is--- an excuse to shield you from having to face the truth.

Until you finally understand that the lives of Palestineans matter just as much as your own does, and that killing Palestinian noncombatants is just as wrong as killing Israeli ones, nothing will ever change.
 
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oneworld2 said:
Without knowing the man himself and hearing his reasoning we can only guess but I think it reasonable to assume the situation in the WB between the illegal settlers and the locals will have had some influence , maybe it was the sole reason , who knows. You seem to be fearful that Israeli policies towards the Palestinian might have been a big factor in why he did what he did and evidently have no wish to discuss the possibility or the policies themselves. Not really a surprise




Do you really need to teach people living under a brutal and repressive military occupation to hate those that violate them on a daily basis ? I know you want us to believe that it is all the fault of the Arabs and that the illegal occupation and the repression/violations that go with it but never the wishes of Israeli leaderships and some of the population in prosecuting those policies. So sure blame some of the Arabs but while you are at it blame some Israelis for the policy decisions surrounding the ongoing occupation and illegal settlement of Palestinian territories
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So according to your words Israel policies are good enogh reason to commit such terror attack?

And of course I blame the Arab side for this terror attack, those are the ones who teach to murder as way of life.




Because of its relevance
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Of course, the problem is the victim not the brain washed terrorist who stabbed him to death.


It's not ridiculous , it's collective punishment and as such a crime in itself
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It is ridiculous, because as I said this policy usually dont executed.
 
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oneworld2 said:
AFAIK this man hadn't lived under a foreign military occupation that brutally represses and violates his and all his countrymen and womens rights every day of their lives. So no , the two are not the same and it was ridiculous that you thought the two worthy of comparison imo.
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You speak with forked tongue.
First you say you don't endorse this kind of terror attack but at the same time you see the terrorist as a victim, which means you don't see nothing wrong with his horrible actions.
And now you do the same thing, both Stephen and the young terrorist woke up one morning and decide to kill random people, and the difference between them according to you is that the later is living under military occupation. In other words, living under military occupation is justify terror attack. Sadly your opinion which include sympathy for terrorist matches many opinions of Arabs in Israel, and this is why we see these terror attacks. If you are fully denounce terror you can not do that, you have to be clear and decisive against these terror attacks.
 
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NO1 said:
So according to your words Israel policies are good enogh reason to commit such terror attack?
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There are legitimate acts of violence against the forces of an occupying state , attacking military targets. Then there are illegitimate acts of violence that target and claim the lives of non-combatants , acts of terrorism.

I have been quite clear that the attack featured in this thread is terrorism , a crime. I have already stated this but because I include relevant background information and think that the youth that carried out the attack may well have not committed such an act had they not spent their entire life under a brutal and repressive military occupation and enforced illegal Israeli settlement . You don't want to see these relevant circumstances because you cannot accept that they probably play a crucial role in inciting the Palestinians to carry out these attacks in the first place.

Maybe you just want other people to think it's all down to the Arabs . My view is that Israeli policies towards the Palestinians are sure to guarantee more of both legitimate and illegitimate acts of violence against Israelis

And of course I blame the Arab side for this terror attack, those are the ones who teach to murder as way of life.
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I will have to repeat myself , you don't really have to " teach " people to hate those that brutalize , abuse and repress them and their family members . I'm sure you know this already too
 
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NO1 said:
You speak with forked tongue.
First you say you don't endorse this kind of terror attack but at the same time you see the terrorist as a victim, which means you don't see nothing wrong with his horrible actions.
And now you do the same thing, both Stephen and the young terrorist woke up one morning and decide to kill random people, and the difference between them according to you is that the later is living under military occupation. In other words, living under military occupation is justify terror attack. Sadly your opinion which include sympathy for terrorist matches many opinions of Arabs in Israel, and this is why we see these terror attacks. If you are fully denounce terror you can not do that, you have to be clear and decisive against these terror attacks.
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You can disagree with someone's actions whilst at the same time think they are victims of circumstance too. You seem to believe that this is impossible and maybe for you it is.
 
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oneworld2 said:
You can disagree with someone's actions whilst at the same time think they are victims of circumstance too. You seem to believe that this is impossible and maybe for you it is.
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Yes. You can also blame the victim for causing the justification for the conduct you so righteously condemn.

Like blaming women who traipse around in short skirts for being raped.

I mean, the men who rape women dressed provocatively probably wouldn’t have done it if their lives were not so tragic, they had received better medical and psychological care, and the women had the proper sense to wear black body and face-covering sacks.

Same thing here. If just the Jews hadn’t sought to protect themselves from their attackers, this particular attacker may never have needed to respond to the provocation of Jews living in Israel since they would all have been killed or expelled already.

But yes, there is blame in addition to what that man rightly deserves. But that blame is on Arab and Palestinian society for their unwillingness to abandon their primal goal of destroying Israel at the expense of rotting the brains and futures of generation after generation of Palestinian. And on the international “supporters” who run obstruction to allow the Palestinians to continue to do this to their children.

This generation of Palestinian youth, like the next one which will inevitably follow, will suffer because of their leaders and their “pro-Palestinian” supporters.

So what do you think you should do about it?
 
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