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Slain terror victim was planning romantic dinner for his wife when stabbed [W: 143]

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https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5318010,00.html
Yotam Ovadia, the 31-year-old man who was killed by a Palestinian terrorist in a stabbing attack on Thursday night, was on his way to his parents’ house to collect items he bought for a romantic dinner he had prepared to surprise his wife to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Tu B’Shevat, when he was set upon by 17-year-old Mohammad Tareq Yousef.
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It's the sceond terrorist from the village of Kobar. This village educate young minds to become murders.
 
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I'm sure some of the many innocent Palestinians killed by Israelis were planning romantic dinners for their significant others as well.
 
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This is going to be really terrible to say, but there are only two options left for Israel and the Palestinians.

Figure out a way to coexist, or one side completey destroy the other.

Anything else is just a continuation of what we have seen for decades now, and will continue to see generating story after story like the OP presents. But the real story is we will continue to see loss of life on both sides, and that has been the story as well.

You would think we would evolve, instead we look to justification for the next life lost here and there as if that will suddenly result in peace. It hasn’t yet, no real reason to assume it will tomorrow.
 
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Aristaeus said:
I'm sure some of the many innocent Palestinians killed by Israelis were planning romantic dinners for their significant others as well.
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Oh well I guess that makes this okay then!

What the hell is wrong with you?
 
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OrphanSlug said:
This is going to be really terrible to say, but there are only two options left for Israel and the Palestinians.

Figure out a way to coexist, or one side completey destroy the other.

Anything else is just a continuation of what we have seen for decades now, and will continue to see generating story after story like the OP presents. But the real story is we will continue to see loss of life on both sides, and that has been the story as well.

You would think we would evolve, instead we look to justification for the next life lost here and there as if that will suddenly result in peace. It hasn’t yet, no real reason to assume it will tomorrow.
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Very true words....however, decades of hatred and ongoing fighting will not be easy to overcome; each side is convinced of the superior morality of its cause and argument.

I honestly suspect that in the next few generations, one side will cease to exist.
 
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Polar Bum said:
Very true words....however, decades of hatred and ongoing fighting will not be easy to overcome; each side is convinced of the superior morality of its cause and argument.

I honestly suspect that in the next few generations, one side will cease to exist.
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There is that chance, the question would be to what end.

Assume for a moment that Israel somehow annihilates what is left of the Palestinians, the likely conclusion would be continued conflict with every single one of their neighbors with no end in sight. All of them would have reason to aim a weapon at Israel and keep it aimed at them. It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are.

Assume for a moment someone like Iran somehow annihilates Isreal, the likely conclusion would be war with any number of western nations with again no end in sight (think Iraq and/or Afghanistan and how long those are dragging out.) It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are (and yes that is repeated on purpose.)

Perhaps I am just the lunatic in the room that thinks they need to figure out a way to evolve and coexist, all this loss of life has been a monumental waste and to your point only increased the moral justification to continue doing so... to a probable self fulfilling prophecy of some sort of horrible conclusion.

Buckle up my friend...
 
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OrphanSlug said:
There is that chance, the question would be to what end.

Assume for a moment that Israel somehow annihilates what is left of the Palestinians, the likely conclusion would be continued conflict with every single one of their neighbors with no end in sight. All of them would have reason to aim a weapon at Israel and keep it aimed at them. It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are.

Assume for a moment someone like Iran somehow annihilates Isreal, the likely conclusion would be war with any number of western nations with again no end in sight (think Iraq and/or Afghanistan and how long those are dragging out.) It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are (and yes that is repeated on purpose.)

Perhaps I am just the lunatic in the room that thinks they need to figure out a way to evolve and coexist, all this loss of life has been a monumental waste and to your point only increased the moral justification to continue doing so... to a probable self fulfilling prophecy of some sort of horrible conclusion.

Buckle up my friend...
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There is no rhyme or reason to hatred like that....I honestly cannot wrap my mind around it, and I have been in the middle east and central asia for over a decade now.


If there is one thing I have come to understand, its that when populations simmer in that kind of abject hatred for that long, they no longer need reasons to kill others, they simply make their own....and they certainly do not rationalize statements like "to what end"?

I find religious hatred to be about the most toxic on the planet.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
There is that chance, the question would be to what end.

Assume for a moment that Israel somehow annihilates what is left of the Palestinians, the likely conclusion would be continued conflict with every single one of their neighbors with no end in sight. All of them would have reason to aim a weapon at Israel and keep it aimed at them. It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are.

Assume for a moment someone like Iran somehow annihilates Isreal, the likely conclusion would be war with any number of western nations with again no end in sight (think Iraq and/or Afghanistan and how long those are dragging out.) It would ensure hatred and distrust, and drag the US further into the crosshairs than they already are (and yes that is repeated on purpose.)

Perhaps I am just the lunatic in the room that thinks they need to figure out a way to evolve and coexist, all this loss of life has been a monumental waste and to your point only increased the moral justification to continue doing so... to a probable self fulfilling prophecy of some sort of horrible conclusion.

Buckle up my friend...
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**** it.

Declare Jerusalem an international heritage site (no better candidate, honestly) and hand it over to Disney.

Can't share and play nice?

No holy city for you!
 
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Aristaeus said:
I'm sure some of the many innocent Palestinians killed by Israelis were planning romantic dinners for their significant others as well.
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It's almost seems like you support these kind of horrible terror attacks.
 
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What if...? said:
**** it.

Declare Jerusalem an international heritage site (no better candidate, honestly) and hand it over to Disney.

Can't share and play nice?

No holy city for you!
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Jerusalem isn't the problem.
The arabs can't except the idea of Jewish state.
 
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What if...? said:
**** it.

Declare Jerusalem an international heritage site (no better candidate, honestly) and hand it over to Disney.

Can't share and play nice?

No holy city for you!
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I've often thought the place should be turned into a biblical theme park. Having Disney run it would be a great idea. They should be sure to include a casino. I hear the beaches on the Gaza strip are really nice. If the place starts generating enough money for all concerned, it might distract them from killing each other.
 
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Spartacus FPV said:
Oh well I guess that makes this okay then!

What the hell is wrong with you?
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Oh, I'm sorry. When did I say this was okay?
 
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NO1 said:
It's almost seems like you support these kind of horrible terror attacks.
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Nope. I condemn it no matter what side commits the murder. Can you do the same? How many threads have you started condemning the murder of innocent Palestinians by Israelis?
 
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Aristaeus said:
Nope. I condemn it no matter what side commits the murder. Can you do the same? How many threads have you started condemning the murder of innocent Palestinians by Israelis?
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When exectly non Israeli Arab commit terror attack?
 
Re: Slain terror victim was planning romantic dinner for his wife when stabbed

OrphanSlug said:
This is going to be really terrible to say, but there are only two options left for Israel and the Palestinians.

Figure out a way to coexist, or one side completey destroy the other.

Anything else is just a continuation of what we have seen for decades now, and will continue to see generating story after story like the OP presents. But the real story is we will continue to see loss of life on both sides, and that has been the story as well.

You would think we would evolve, instead we look to justification for the next life lost here and there as if that will suddenly result in peace. It hasn’t yet, no real reason to assume it will tomorrow.
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it is terrible to say...but it's a terrible situation, and I agree with you. At what point do you say "these folks don't want to be helped"? It's like watching an addict you love continue to throw their life away...at some point you have to understand there's nothing you can do, and just let them. Perhaps if both sides lost their backing, they would be forced to come to one conclusion or another.

The only reason that I remain hopeful and interested is for the kids over there...what a horrible situation to be born into. I imagine my own 5 year old growing up in that hell, and suddenly I care again. But you're right, it's tough sometimes, when they seem determined to wipe each other out, no matter what sense the rest of the world tries to talk to them.
 
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NO1 said:
Jerusalem isn't the problem.
The arabs can't except the idea of Jewish state.
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I just want ALL the abrahamic religions pissed off about it.

Which they would be.
 
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NO1 said:
When exectly non Israeli Arab commit terror attack?
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So Israelis murdering innocent Palestinians is okay if it's not terrorist related??
 
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Aristaeus said:
So Israelis murdering innocent Palestinians is okay if it's not terrorist related??
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Why are you dodging from the question?
 
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bearpoker said:
I've often thought the place should be turned into a biblical theme park. Having Disney run it would be a great idea. They should be sure to include a casino. I hear the beaches on the Gaza strip are really nice. If the place starts generating enough money for all concerned, it might distract them from killing each other.
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Gaza got billions of dollars from Qatar and other international organizations but Hamas spend it all on terror.
 
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OlNate said:
it is terrible to say...but it's a terrible situation, and I agree with you. At what point do you say "these folks don't want to be helped"? It's like watching an addict you love continue to throw their life away...at some point you have to understand there's nothing you can do, and just let them. Perhaps if both sides lost their backing, they would be forced to come to one conclusion or another.

The only reason that I remain hopeful and interested is for the kids over there...what a horrible situation to be born into. I imagine my own 5 year old growing up in that hell, and suddenly I care again. But you're right, it's tough sometimes, when they seem determined to wipe each other out, no matter what sense the rest of the world tries to talk to them.
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You and I probably have much agreement on this subject.

I receive so much pushback on this but I am convinced neither side has a real interest in peace, those that are in power and making decisions on both sides feel a moral right to continue on the course they are on and it happens to ensure conflict. They may say they are interested in peace, but we continue to see loss of life and a continual justification for it.

Regardless of how this plays out (continues as is, degrades to more conventional war, or otherwise) there are so many nations around Isreal that I doubt anything but continued conflict. And I put much of the blame on ideologies based on belief for why we continue to see tragic loss of life (like the OP example and so many others... every single year.)
 
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NO1 said:
Gaza got billions of dollars from Qatar and other international organizations but Hamas spend it all on terror.
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If Hamas really spent billions on terror, they must be the worlds worst shoppers. I'm betting they squirreled most of away somewhere in Switzerland.
 
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bearpoker said:
If Hamas really spent billions on terror, they must be the worlds worst shoppers. I'm betting they squirreled most of away somewhere in Switzerland.
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Yep, hundreds of thousands of rockets and underground city.
 
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NO1 said:
Why are you dodging from the question?
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I'm not dodging the question. I condemn the murder of innocent Israeli civilians by Palestinians and I condemn the murder of innocent Palestinian civilians by Israelis. Do you do the same? Yes or no?
 
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NO1 said:
Jerusalem isn't the problem.
The arabs can't except the idea of Jewish state.
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And the Israelis can’t accept the idea of Arabs in Israel. That’s why the Israeli government passed a law last Thursday declaring that only Jews have a right to self determination. It’s an apartheid State that abuses its neighbors and non-Jewish residents and citizens. What do you expect the response to be?
 
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Aristaeus said:
I'm not dodging the question. I condemn the murder of innocent Israeli civilians by Palestinians and I condemn the murder of innocent Palestinian civilians by Israelis. Do you do the same? Yes or no?
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But you did, you asked me if I can condem similar acts from the Israeli side, so I asked when was the last time it happend and you dodge the question.
But of course I condem any terror action.
 
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